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Interesting Wildcats, whats your favorite?

robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
Jackshitte got me looking at wildcats because of a post on the want board, some are pretty cool, whats your favorite wildcat cartridge? That 228 Ackley hes looking for bullets for is pretty sweet, there are others I wish had been produced commercially also.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon, do you actually shoot it, ouch!?
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've always been a big fan of the .257 Roberts Ackley Imp and the 7x57 Ackley Imp. Built a 5 lb 7x57AI and its the most user-friendly rifle I've ever owned.
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Please pause for a blonde moment.What's a 'Wildcat'?
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    416 Taylor and the 500 AHR
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Thats why I love this place. I'm always learning something.Thanks SPig.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is kind of surprising, I would have thought the smaller wildcats would be more popular, but then not a lot of people have chimed in.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My favorite wildcat is the .338-06. A 30-06 case blown out to .338 cal. Can put a 250 gr bullet out at 2400 fps, and a 225 gr at 2700 fps. Compared to the 220 gr 30-06 at 2200 fps ... well, quite an improvement. Have used mine on deer and elk with no problems and extreme performance. Also am building a 6.5-06. Thats .270 brass necked down to .264 cal. Kissin cousin to a .264 winchester without the barrel erosion. I favor 30-06 based wildcats due to the availability of -06 brass. They are a simple one pass through the die and you dont need to fireform or any of that mess. Weatherby has semi-domesticated my .338-06 in their Ultra-lite rifle. Course their ammo is $40 per box of twenty. I can do considerably better than that with my handloads. They are only asking $1100 for it. I would love to see Savage or Ruger chamber for it. Great cartridge, really performs. regards swede
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The .223? (it was a wildcat at one time wasn't it?)
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  • Richie RichRichie Rich Member Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the sound of WARBIRD!MY BIGGEST IS A 300 WEATHERBY.but as stated above the 25-06 was one and I do have one of them.Rich
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thought this deserved another look. I know there's some wildcatters on this board. swede
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    6X47!! That's the cartridge that started this lifelong infatuation with guns. Accurate, cheap to shoot, pleasant with minimal noise to upset the environmentalist whackos of the world, and did I mention ACCURATE?
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  • biganimalbiganimal Member Posts: 135 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have to agree with wyomingswede because I have a 338-06 and love it. best cartridge I ever owned. mine is a ruger #1 chambered in 338-06. my buddy wants one built on a mauser action.what kinda pressures do ya get with the 6.5-06?
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ive got a 6mmx45 on an AR15 that shoots real well.
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Big animal...as far as I can tell its kissin cousin to the .264 winchester. I'll check and post back later on actual pressure ratings. regards swede
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    6.5-06 imp 40degree shoulder, and the 280 ackley imp. (aka 280 rem imp.) Fast/magnum performance from -06 brass. I use 140gr nosler balistics in the 280. 4" high at 100yds and 7 1/2" high at 200yds. man that baby is toatin the mail.
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    I sorta liked the 41 AE
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    338-06,264 winchester, 35 whelan, 6.5-06 all loaded around 52,000 cup. swede
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  • songdogsongdog Member Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    AntiqueDR- I will have to second that motion on the 257 ackley improved. The smallest five shot group that I have shot so far is a .180. Pretty tight, and i have only had that gun for 9 months. I have not even had time to tinker with the loads all that much.songdog
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Personally, my interest lies in the .25 calibers, also. The .25-06, since its factory, doesnt really count anymore, but I like it, I guess my favorite wildcat would be the Ackley .25, but then Ackley has a lot of interesting calibers.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Damn.I thought we were gonna talk about kitty cats.
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thinking about it, it seems strange that I've never owned a wildcat, even though I've done custom loading for many & have all the gear to load just about anything . . . but my gig is ammo more than firearms. In any case, if any of you weird dudes need some basic straight wall brass in an '06 or H&H head to feed your mutant of choice, give me a yell. I have a quite a supply of the Norma made for that purpose long ago which is no longer being made.
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is anyone familiar with the 6.5/284. I saw it in my new Sinclair catalog, advertised as a popular wildcat, that both Hornady and Norma make brass for. Anyone?
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • madwiremadwire Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have a .270 Gibbs.I'm building a .338 Gibbs now.I like Gibb's 35 deg. shoulder over Ackley's 40 deg.(less sticking ) .25 in. neck length gives a larger case cap.Am getting 6 reloads per case.Hot!!!150gr.@3250fps.1in.moa All Gibbs are 30-06 brass.Next,6mm Gibbs hottest 6mm on the planet.
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  • madwiremadwire Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have a .270 Gibbs.I'm building a .338 Gibbs now.I like Gibb's 35 deg. shoulder over Ackley's 40 deg.(less sticking ) .25 in. neck length gives a larger case cap.Am getting 6 reloads per case.Hot!!!150gr.@3250fps.1in.moa All Gibbs are 30-06 brass.Next,6mm Gibbs hottest 6mm on the planet.
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Ryan, the 6.5/284 just happens to be the little darling of the long distance benchresters at the moment. Yes Norma makes brass for it. Should be able to launch a 140 at 3000 FPS.
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 6.5-.284 is the darling of the benchrest crowd due to the short case and the ability to fit in a short throw action. One good example...the M-48 Yugo mauser is a popular surplus item right now, however it is 1/4 inch shorter than the standard 98 action. It wont take an -06 based case...not long enough. Therefore instead of going with a 6.5-06...you go down to the 6.5-.284 due to the shorter cartridge. A lot of the small ring mausers wont take the -06 based case. Swedish mausers are another example. swede
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now we're learning some interesting information, cool. I didnt know about these last two bits of info., nice to know, gives me some ideas to play with. Anyone got an idea on where to learn more about this cartridge? I'd never heard of it till yesterday.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • buddybbuddyb Member Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    30 Herret. Shortened 30-30 Deadly on whitetails from a 10 inch T\C Contender.
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  • snickerssnickers Member Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A favorite is going to be hard. I have quite a few and didn't realize it till I started following this post. 7mm tcu, 30 and 357 Herrit in the contender. 257 Ackley, 30-338, 280 Ackley, and 250 Helldiver. The last is probably my favorite as it and the dies were built by P.O. Ackley. After the 25-06 was built it became known as the 25-06 improved.
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  • mr whitetailmr whitetail Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the 30/284, short action with the same ballistics and performance as the 30.06. Lots of brass and bullets available for reloading, no real improvement (theoretically, there is a shorter flame-front=more consistent velocity) on either the 308win or 30.06, but unique enough to be different.
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  • mr whitetailmr whitetail Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the 30/284, short action with the same ballistics and performance as the 30.06. Lots of brass and bullets available for reloading, no real improvement (theoretically, there is a shorter flame-front=more consistent velocity) on either the 308win or 30.06, but unique enough to be different.
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  • sealyonsealyon Member Posts: 313 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I own two 6.5x06's . Luv em both. Looking at trying a 6.5x300 WSM. Should be interesting.
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rob take a look at www.reloadbench.com and www.centerfirecentral.com . also www.varminthunters.com. Lots of useful info on wildcats out on the web. Another useful souce is "Cartridges of the World" by Frank Barnes and/or "Pet Loads" by Ken Waters. hope this helps. swede
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  • AZboundAZbound Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    For the past 35 years I have been thinking of building a wildcat that was listed in the P.O. Ackley Pocket Manual in 1964 just for the name - a .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer!! It is a .378 Weatherby necked down to .22 to set a world's record velocity for .22 caliber. It was experimental and listed initial velocities of 4600 fps for a 50 grain bullet. Interesting that is a MACH 4 speed, we have planes now that can do MACH 3 and above. Just think of the energy of that. I never built it because I thought I would go broke replacing barrels!! Would have made on hell of a chuck rifle!!
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lets put it up top...one more time. swede
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    WyomingSwede, Thanks for the links, I put 'em on my favorites list, and will be checking them out soon. I started saving info. to disk from some posts recently, on the site you were on talking about your 1917. There is some excellent conversation going on over there on reloading, especially on the 454. Thanks again for the links.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never got into wildcats. I guess, for my shooting purposes, standard calibers suit me fine. Hence, I have a question that springs from ignorance. Bear with me. Does anyone manufacture factory ammo for the Lazzeroni chamberings or must you be a handloader in order to enjoy these fine calibers?
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    I bought a bunch of ammo a while back,full boxes,partial boxes.There are some 7-MM 08 Improved..this looks like a fine cat,anybody familiar with it?.218
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  • jo-danjo-dan Member Posts: 57 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    .22-3000 and the very similar 2R lovelljo-dan
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  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know Savage and Sako rifles are chambered for the Lazzaroni line but you have to order them from Lazzaroni down in Phoenix AZ. At this point, I believe Lazzaroni has the only factory loads other than handloading. As to the 7-08 improved..it is a good cartridge made better. P.O.Ackley ( a great gunsmith) used a way to blow out the shoulders on standard cartridges. this improved powder capacity and usually upped velocity about 150 fps. Due to less resizing, your brass lasts longer and you get more reloadings per cartridge. He essentially designed a type of chamber reamer that alows this to occur by expanding the existing factory chamber...thus the improved monicker. The nice thing about it is that you can still shoot regular factory ammo in the rifle and it will fireform to your new chamber. Improved cartridges have been developed for standard and wildcats from the .17 remington all the way up to the .45 calibers. The improved chambering tends to wring that last bit of perforance out of the factory cartridge. Dont mean to pontificate...thought that there might be some that had not been exposed to this before. swede
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