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FFL Question

gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
Resently i purchased a gun off GB and needed ffl transfer so i started asking prices at local shops one said they charged $45 which covered them having it shipped in plus tranfer then said they have to charge tax on original purchase price? Gun was bought out of state no tax. Went to another shop $20 no tax. Question is this legal or not charging tax again? I think not? Should this guy be reported and if so to whom. State is PA. if it makes a diff.?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are the different types of FFLs, what is involved in getting them, price, background, etc, and what type of FFL is required to own full auto and buy and sell firearms. If I had a FFL, I could buy direct and not need a middleman. This is what I interested in. What are tax stamps for guns that I have heard about?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a FFL licence copy sent to the seller via e-mail attachment legal?? I was always under the impression that the copy was to be signed fresh in ink and mailed to the seller. What say you ?? Thanks. [:D]
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This has probably been covered before.

    1. If I wanted to obtain a FFL for my own use (buying/selling my personal guns), would this be Type 01 license?

    2. Can the FFL be registered at my own personal residence (no retail store)? I've been told this is done all the time.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was asked a question today and had/have no answer....I just don't know [:)] Note, I'm not a FFL. QUESTION: if your out of your home State (example: Georgia) and pawn your pistol in another state ( example: Arizona) can you as a out of State resident redeem it later and walk out with your pistol in your possession ?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A Marine stationed in VA wants to buy an AR from me, but he is a Florida resident...doesn't that require an FFL? can't do FTF
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you were doing a transfer for somebody, and the gun arrived to you in a box, unloaded, but had magazines in the same box (not in the gun mind you) that were full of ammunition would this be against federal regulations?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My buyer gave me his FFL's address and license number, but the licensee refuses to send a copy of his license. He claims ATF advised him not to give the license to individuals due to fraud concerns.
    I checked him on EZ Check and everything is correct. Is this good enough for an individual? Or just asking for trouble?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since FFL holders are able to ship pistols thru the USPS and private guys aren't my question is this. Does the FFL holder need to log the pistol in and do a background check just to let the gun go thru his hands? I do realize that it needs to go thru an FFL on the other end.

    Todd
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was told that prices go up this time of year (normally not with the frenzy), is that true? Went to fill out paperwork and thats what my dealer told me
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    more or less what is average gross profit margin for someone selling firearms? thanks
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I received a photocopy of the buyers FFL today for a rifle I sold on the auction. Its not signed in ink, its a photocopy. Can I accept this by law?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Say I wanted a part of a gun that required it to be shipped to an FFL. Would I have to be a resident of the state in order for the gun place to receive the part for me? I'm a resident of Maine but am currently in New York for college.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am thinking about getting my FFL to do some buying and selling and I have a question(s). If in the course of buying and selling firearms how much of the paperwork can/could my wife legally do?

    She is a school teacher and has summers off not to mention she is home before 3 most days. So if I hold the license how much of the buying and selling can she do?

    Also, can she do much of the paperwork for consignment sells, shipping... etc?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Someone from another forum I am on is interested in an FFL. He wants one for personal use and maybe a few family transfers per year. He wants to collect a few class 3 weapons. Here is a quote from him, can you answer his questions please. Thank you. [:)]

    "I was primarily wanting to get one to get a couple of class 3 weapons but would like to be able to handle a few transfers a year for fam and friends. A person I was talking to at work was trying to say that there were different types of permits and if I was a dealer I could'nt get the class 3 but as a collector you could get class 3 and still handle a limited number of transfers a year. Do you know if this is true?"
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does each person working at a gun store, selling firearms, have to have an FFL? Example: do all of the employees authorized to work the gun counter at Big 5 have to have an FFL?

    On that same note, does each location have to have a separate FFL? Or is there just one corporate FFL?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello All.... I am thinking about opening a small hunting and fishing store and would like to know if it is worth getting a FFL.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm sure this has been asked around before, but here we go again.....
    Can I (non FFL holder) ship a a non C&R handgun direct to a FFL holder, or do I need to ship FFL to FFL? Thanks.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a question concerning a manufacturing FFL. I have seen information that seems to be a little contradictory, to me anyways. Here's my question. Would you need an ffl to manufacture blanks for the purpose of selling them? Or does it fall under a different category since there is no projectile. Here's something that I have dug up..

    Ammunition includes cartridge cases, primers, bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm other than an antique firearm. Items NOT covered include blank ammunition, tear gas ammunition, pellets and nonmetallic shotgun hulls without primers. Generally, no records are required for ammunition transactions. However, information about the disposition of armor piercing ammunition is required to be entered into a record by importers, manufacturers, and collectors. A license is not required for dealers in ammunition only. [18 U. S. C. 921( a)( 17) and 922( b)( 5), 27 CFR 178.11]

    You would require a manufacturer of ammunition license, FFL type 06 to manufacture bullets for sale.

    So does that mean no?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am getting ready to apply for an FFL. I see it says you can not be a respondent to a restraining order. What about one ten years ago. It was rescinded with no charges or trial. No other run ins other then the occasional traffic ticket.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just sold a long gun on the dark side and the buyer is asking me to send the gun to the mailing address on the FFL rather than the premise address. IIRC it has to go to the premise address, am I mistaken? They are different, but in the same town and the FFL checks out. Thanks.

    Todd
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since I'm looking to get into gunsmithing, I was wondering if you guys could help me out.

    I know it requires a FFL, and it's almost impossible to run a gun-shop out of your home. Can you establish a gunsmith shop in your home, or do you need an official store-front according to every zoning constraint and what-not?

    Are there any requirements different to be a gunsmith than strictly selling? Thanks.

    O Lord,
    grant me the Serenity
    to accept the things
    I cannot change
    the courage to change the things I can,
    and the supreme firepower to make the difference.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone tell me how long it takes to recieve your ffl after you send it in?
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am an unlicensed person and am selling a long gun interstate. I asked the buyer to have his dealer's FFL sent to me in order to verify it through the ATF's EZ Check. I was told by the FFL, who called me, that an ATF agent said never to send an FFL to an unlicensed person. An ATF agent at the Atlanta office told me I have the right to ask for a copy. WOW, what a mess!

    I need some input please.
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I sold an item on GB that required a FFL. Does it have to be signed in ink or can the signature be a copy as well? Thanks
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hypothetical: Lets say you are from florida, you are in Tennessee, you run into a friend that is also from Florida, You get to talking guns and he has a pistol for sale, Can that friend sell you that pistol, without using an FFL dealer?
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll assume you mean after you send in the application.
    Not to be smart-* about it, but it'll take as long as it takes. Really....there's no set time limit for them to process it. You get one of Klinton's hold-overs and there's no telling.
    Are you REALLY sure you want one. If it's to save a few bucks for personal use...trust me...it ain't worth the hassle.

    Mudge the EX-ffl holder

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Mine took over 3 months. Good luck!
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  • gmayesgmayes Member Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    thank you interstate for a STRAIGHT FOWARD answer!!!! People wanna send alot a bull along with thiers
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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once you've jumped through the hoops and sent in the application assuming you qualify it should take 3-6 months, just be patient. BTW, don't listen to those who would wish to steer you away from an FFL,years ago I found little to no support from other dealers in my area upon my decision to apply. They all hate "kitchen table dealers" because it cuts into their own customer base, you have the same rights as the next guy so don't sweat it. Good Luck,Josey

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gmayes, Getting your FFL is actually one of the easier parts. I don't know what state you live in, I live in Kalifornia and the state and county requirements are a costly pain. Have you checked your local regs?
    John

    I might not always tell you the truth, but I will never lie to you!
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    I also believe that "kitchen table dealers" are become extinct due to the fact that you must have a legit storefront retail business directly related to the sale or sale of firearms and/or related products. Unless , of course they are "grandfathered in". Good luck.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    quote:
    thank you interstate for a STRAIGHT FOWARD answer!!!! People wanna send alot a bull along with thiers




    gmayes:

    If you wanted"STRAIGHT FORWARD"
    with no "bull"along with your answer,
    you should have gone to"ASK THE EXPERTS"

    We are friendly around here at
    Gen.Dis.....you didn`t have to be
    rude concerning mudge`s reply.

    You were going to get your
    answer anyway.

    Lighten up,and cut back
    on the steroids.

    .218 the stand up guy
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    You may still use your home as a legitamate business premise as long as you meet local zoning laws and ordinances.

    AlleninAlaska

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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Geez Mr.Mayes....didn't realize I was sending ANY bull with my reply. Guess I'll have to scrutinize my answers a little more closely when you have a post.

    Mudge the surprised

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!

    Edited by - mudge on 09/11/2002 15:49:24
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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not true Interstate, as long as you are zoned to run a business in your home, all the ATF requires is that one area of the home be designated to "FFL business only". In my case I use my basement there is a lot of bad info out there, the best way to know the law is to call the BATF and your county clerks office.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - josey1 on 09/11/2002 18:02:48
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    I stand corrected,....humble and corrected. Thanks.
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