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Hunting with 9mm rifle

glowplug47glowplug47 Member Posts: 9 ✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
I am curious as to the knock down power of a standard off the shelf 9mm round at 100 yds. I have a Marlin 9mm carbine that is quite acurate and fun to shoot. Plus very light to carry. Hill country deer here in Texas are small. I don't want to wound anything trying to find out.
Thanks, Glowplug
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,696 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have wondered the same thing. I have killed lots of deer with a .30-06. Often, on a lung shot, I get no expansion. I get a .30 hole going in, and a slightly larger, maybe .35, going out. The 9mm is what, .38 cal? So it would make a bigger hole. I carried my Beretta 92F with hollow points into the deer stand a dozen times, along with the rifle, and decided if I got a close shot, 20 yards or less, I would try the pistol. I never got the chance, though. The thing is, the 9mm is underpowered to begin with and at 100 yards it is way underpowered.



    Edited by - allen griggs on 09/06/2002 12:17:14
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 9mm is a submachinegun/handgun cartridge. Marlin calls their 9mm the "Camp Gun", and this for very good reason (it's a plinker). I think a 100 yard clean kill with a 30-30 or 44mag is pushing the envelope, much less a 357mag and certainly much less than that the 9mm. I also think the magazine capacity of the Uzi, HK94, MAC-11, Marlin, etc. exceeds legal deer hunting maximums in most states, even if five or less rounds are actually loaded.

    Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In VA.to hunt White Tailed Deer the law says the cartridge must have 350ft PDS of muzzle energy.Thats the catch some 9mm Ammo does have that rateing.With a Carbine it should well exceed that requirement.I would limit my shot distance to around 50yrds for good clean kills.I carry a 9mm Beretta 9000 as a back up gun on Duty.I have had to put more than I like down, when they have been hit by a car.It has always done the job,but under different conditions.

    Best!!

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The article applies to self-defense handgun rounds, but the principals are still applicable.

    http://firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
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  • smokinggunsmokinggun Member Posts: 590 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not sure but doesn't the 9mm out of a carbine have the same velocity and energy at 100 yards as a 9mm out of a pistol at point blank range?

    BNRVA@aol.comwww.vcdl.org

    Edited by - smokinggun on 09/06/2002 23:49:55
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  • sundownersundowner Member Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can't say about a Camp 9, but in plinking with my Hi-Point carbine with standard 9mm Wolf ammo at 75 yards -- I've had it hit accurately and leave a big DENT in the side of a Folger's coffee can.
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  • fergusonmorse392fergusonmorse392 Member Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BEFORE WW2 THE MILITARY TRIED THE 9M/M VERSIS THE 45, DIDN'T WORK!!! THEY DIDN'T LEARN THERE LESSON!!! ADOPTED THE BERETTA 9M/M, THEN HAD TO TEACH THE TROOPS TO DOUBBLE & TRIPPLE TAP!! (SHOOT TWO OR THREE TIMES AT THE SAME TARGET TO KILL) ANY SPECIAL FORCES TODAY USES THE 45 IN SOME FORM, FOR ONE REASON IT KNOCKS EM DOWN (KILLS), IF YOUR GOING TO USE IT FOR DEER, KEEP IT UNDER 25 YDS!!!!!!BE PREPARIED TO SHOOT MORE THAN ONCE.
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Noticed in your profile you live in h-town. So you'll probably be hunting some of these fine southeast texas deer. Now for those of you who are not familiar with southeast texas deer, take your laborador retriever and put a rack on it. Really, thats about an average deer down hear, not like whitetail up north.

    Now there are some pretty nice carbine/rifle handloads for the 9mm, and using say a 124gr hollow point, do you think it would drop a lab at 100yds? I do.

    But I'd say you have a decent brush firearms, excellent for luging around down these parts. I know someone who hunts with dogs who uses the camp carbine in a .45acp and is very sucessful using 230gr FMJ.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    In VA.to hunt White Tailed Deer the law says the cartridge must have 350ft PDS of muzzle energy.Thats the catch some 9mm Ammo does have that rateing.With a Carbine it should well exceed that requirement.I would limit my shot distance to around 50yrds for good clean kills.I carry a 9mm Beretta 9000 as a back up gun on Duty.I have had to put more than I like down, when they have been hit by a car.It has always done the job,but under different conditions.

    Best!!

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret


    Hey Rugster, is there anywhere you don't go with that beretta. I bet you wipe you butt with one hand and carry it in the other...LOL

    hahahaha....I'm just playing.


    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think there's enough debate on this to prove it's not really a great idea. "Marginal" is the best word I can think of for a hundred yard shot with a 9, even at a dog. I wouldn't recommend doing it on purpose, but as you say it may work many times in a pinch. I'd be more comfortable saying 50-75 yards as a max. And be sure to figure bullet drop at 100 yards. Five inches drop or so could make a big difference on a dog-sized target.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Dances with Sheep??? Usually I agree with you quite often, but on this subject I have to disagree!!! I have shot several deer in my lifetime with the old 30/30 at 100yd and even further. I can safely say that more deer have been killed in the state Of Pennsylvania with a 30/30 than any other caliber!!! Do not underestimate the 30/30!!
    Pa.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pa: You can safely say that the 30-30 has probably killed more deer than any ther caliber PERIOD. As for the 100 yard shot, perhaps I was talking about my own limitations (I'm an old guy, ya know).

    Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    I have to tell you, this is true so help me god!!! My brother who rarely misses, missed a Doe standing broadside at around 200Yds with his 270! It started running, and I pulled up with the old 30/30 with peep sites, aimed about 30 iches over it's head, and led it by at least that much and pulled the trigger! Both of us were dumbfounded when the deer dropped!!! I could never do this again in a million years nor would I probaly try, but I swear it was just a stroke of ____ house luck!!! L.O.L. But Ill never tell my brother that, I remind him of it all the time!
    Too bad he doesn't get on this site cause Im sure he would tell you about all the deer I missed, but that is another story!!! L.O.L.
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    You cannot compare the muzzle energy and muzzle velocity of a 9mm cartridge fired from a pistol as opposed to a rifle/carbine. Longer barrel equals greater energy and velocity, to a certain point of course.
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