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long range

a1cwboya1cwboy Member Posts: 149 ✭✭✭
edited November 2007 in General Discussion
Im looking to start long range shooting, Im not a marksman by any means but i have always been interested in long shots. Any suggestions on what cal. to begin with?

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  • CyclonusCyclonus Member Posts: 2,825
    edited November -1
    300 weatherby mag with weatherby made ammo. 300yd zero possible with a good scope.

    Or you could take the high road with a .50 BMG
  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
  • spurgemasturspurgemastur Member Posts: 5,655 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm interested in the answers to this thread too, but before we begin, how long is "long"? 300 yards? 500 yards? 1000 yards? More?
  • shootlowshootlow Member Posts: 5,425
    edited November -1
    .338 lapua mag or .338 rem ultrea mag or just go all out and get the 416 barret
    those shoud fit the bill [:D]
  • a1cwboya1cwboy Member Posts: 149 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    500 yds or better
  • scrollworkscrollwork Member Posts: 227 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    .338 Lapua.
    Be ready to spend 60.00+ per box of ammo.
  • shootlowshootlow Member Posts: 5,425
    edited November -1
    quote:rollwork
    Junior Member



    101 Posts
    Posted - 11/27/2007 : 10:19:30 PM

    .338 Lapua.
    Be ready to spend 60.00+ per box of ammo.


    reload [;)]
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by a1cwboy
    Im looking to start long range shooting, Im not a marksman by any means but i have always been interested in long shots. Any suggestions on what cal. to begin with?


    NRA bullseye High Power, it is where you learn the basics of shooting high power rifles at known distances from 200 to 600 yards. It is the best place to start IMHO.
  • a1cwboya1cwboy Member Posts: 149 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what about economically speaking
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    .300 Win Mag...or .338 RUM...both are fine calibers to start off with. If you can afford it, I'd start with a Remington 700 action and have a custom rig built. If you cannot afford that, I'd strongly recommend the Remington Senderos. In my book, long range really starts at about 800 yards. Out to 600 is pretty easy...after that, you are starting to stretch things out. Damn I miss my place back east. I have not been able to do any long range shooting since I moved west.[:(]
  • likemhotlikemhot Member Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do you belong to a club, is there any one in the area that offers a CMP (civilian marksmanship program)
  • Mk 19Mk 19 Member Posts: 8,170
    edited November -1
    Although the big magnums are sexy you would be served just as well with a .308 Win. Now if you wanted to step it up a bit more you could always go with a 6mmBR for 600 yards or a 6.5X284 and reach out to 1000 Yards.
  • spurgemasturspurgemastur Member Posts: 5,655 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    .300 Win Mag...or .338 RUM...both are fine calibers to start off with. If you can afford it, I'd start with a Remington 700 action and have a custom rig built. If you cannot afford that, I'd strongly recommend the Remington Senderos. In my book, long range really starts at about 800 yards. Out to 600 is pretty easy...after that, you are starting to stretch things out. Damn I miss my place back east. I have not been able to do any long range shooting since I moved west.[:(]


    Sorry to Hijack.

    ECC, you need to go to the Escure Ranch. It's a BLM unit and you can shoot to 1000+ yards right off of the parking lot, with very reliable backstops. There's rock chuck shooting there if you're into it, otherwise, walk (or in the right season drive) out and set up your targets. It's about 40 minutes west of Colfax, WA if you drive the way I do, but you'd probably come in from the north and not go through Colfax.

    So you're looking at a 2.5 hour drive to get there, but it's a pretty cool area. If you fish, bring your tackle....I'm not a fisherman but I've heard there's pretty good fly fishing there, too.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    .300 Win Mag...or .338 RUM...both are fine calibers to start off with. If you can afford it, I'd start with a Remington 700 action and have a custom rig built. If you cannot afford that, I'd strongly recommend the Remington Senderos. In my book, long range really starts at about 800 yards. Out to 600 is pretty easy...after that, you are starting to stretch things out. Damn I miss my place back east. I have not been able to do any long range shooting since I moved west.[:(]


    Sorry to Hijack.

    ECC, you need to go to the Escure Ranch. It's a BLM unit and you can shoot to 1000+ yards right off of the parking lot, with very reliable backstops. There's rock chuck shooting there if you're into it, otherwise, walk (or in the right season drive) out and set up your targets. It's about 40 minutes west of Colfax, WA if you drive the way I do, but you'd probably come in from the north and not go through Colfax.

    So you're looking at a 2.5 hour drive to get there, but it's a pretty cool area. If you fish, bring your tackle....I'm not a fisherman but I've heard there's pretty good fly fishing there, too.



    Thanks for the info sprugemastur...how long of a drive is it for you?...if I remember correctly, you are kind of due west of me.?.?
  • spurgemasturspurgemastur Member Posts: 5,655 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    .300 Win Mag...or .338 RUM...both are fine calibers to start off with. If you can afford it, I'd start with a Remington 700 action and have a custom rig built. If you cannot afford that, I'd strongly recommend the Remington Senderos. In my book, long range really starts at about 800 yards. Out to 600 is pretty easy...after that, you are starting to stretch things out. Damn I miss my place back east. I have not been able to do any long range shooting since I moved west.[:(]


    Sorry to Hijack.

    ECC, you need to go to the Escure Ranch. It's a BLM unit and you can shoot to 1000+ yards right off of the parking lot, with very reliable backstops. There's rock chuck shooting there if you're into it, otherwise, walk (or in the right season drive) out and set up your targets. It's about 40 minutes west of Colfax, WA if you drive the way I do, but you'd probably come in from the north and not go through Colfax.

    So you're looking at a 2.5 hour drive to get there, but it's a pretty cool area. If you fish, bring your tackle....I'm not a fisherman but I've heard there's pretty good fly fishing there, too.



    Thanks for the info sprugemastur...how long of a drive is it for you?...if I remember correctly, you are kind of due west of me.?.?


    Yes, I'm SW of you, in Pullman, 30 miles N of Lewiston. Escure for me is fifty miles, one hour, give or take.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by a1cwboy
    what about economically speaking


    Distance ain't cheap. Learning is FREE when you have seasoned shooters trying to help you to learn the basics. NRA high power will offer priceless learning opportunities.

    It is a shame that a lot of calibers get bandied about when at over 200 yards it becomes a testimony to the skills of the shooter almost as much as the caliber chosen. Some folks have written about calibers that they have no idea of and have never fired at any distance over 100 yards or so.

    A good distance shooter with a beat up 6MM BR and 107 VLD's will kick the crap out of a newbie with the latest laser sighted super ultimate tactical whizz bang super shooter in whatever caliber it happens to come in.

    Shooting is a 90% skill; learning the calibers techniques and wind doping is 90% of long range shooting. 10% comes from making sure you have the equipment necessary for the job. Not opinion, FACT.
  • KimbercoltKimbercolt Member Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My cousin got his AR 50, and his AR 30, AR 10 T
    you talk about shooting the distance
  • mango tangomango tango Member Posts: 3,833 ✭✭
    edited November -1
  • CutiegirlracingCutiegirlracing Member Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by a1cwboy
    what about economically speaking


    Econmical and long range doesn't get along together well.
    If you want to start somewhere start with yourself and your long distance skills.
    I think second most important is your rifle. No matter what a bullet can't perform well if it's not launched from good rifle.

    Here's some good cailbers for that rifle.

    These are good.
    204 ruger
    223
    243
    308

    these are better.

    22BR
    30BR
    6mmBR
    6XC
    6PPC
    6.5-284 Norma

    and remember practice, practice, practice.
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    I'm interested in the answers to this thread too, but before we begin, how long is "long"? 300 yards? 500 yards? 1000 yards? More?


    more than 660 yards is long.
  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by a1cwboy
    Im looking to start long range shooting, Im not a marksman by any means but i have always been interested in long shots. Any suggestions on what cal. to begin with?


    Start with a stiff(er) barreled 308Win and learn how to read the wind & heat shimmer. Once your good with the 308, than you can start thinking about moving up to something bigger/more costly. Even with the "biggest baddest winningest" 1K cartridge out there, you still need to be able to judge what the bullet is going to do down range, so you might as well start with something you can afford to shoot often (come back and ask again after you've burned out a couple of quality barrels at long distance IE 10-15,000 rounds)
  • XXCrossXXCross Member Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Fron DCM reduced range (100yds) all the way out to 1000yds at the local military establishment....rifle: pre-war M-70, Ctg: 7X57. Oh, and my NRA clasification card says MASTER! You don't need anything more.
  • tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
    edited November -1
    long distance shooting is extreem disipline, you can't worry about recoil, you can't flinch, some here may disagree, but in my opinion look at calibers like the .243, .308 6mm, etc. light in recoil and lean to control the rifle, not let it control you. you must shoot alot to know your rifle. leave the magnums to experiance and later when you are wiser about the challenge. just my .02[;)][8D]
  • a1cwboya1cwboy Member Posts: 149 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    thank you all for your opinions and knowledge, every comment is helpful in some way or another. I'm going to shop around for a decent .223 I have always liked that cal. anyway.
  • jtmarine0831jtmarine0831 Member Posts: 908 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shooting the long distance huh! I am with several of the guys here when I say "start out with a 308Win"! The reasons being it is a very accurate round, mild recoil especially in a target rifle where you have the extra weight. You can handload fairly cheap and even Factory Match ammo is cheaper than regular ammo in the big mags. Don't get me wrong the big mags are a blast, but the main reason I recommend a 308Win is right here. Information! The 308Win. IS the most popular Long Range Sniper round to this day. There is so much info and data(Dope) on Match and Long Range rounds that I could fill a high school gym! The reason being is reading wind, humidity, temps, etc. is hard to remember no matter what caliber. So every bit of research that was done by the military and ammo manufacturers has been documented and is readily available. This makes it a great caliber to learn how to "read" all the elements that come into play with long range shooting. Almost every load ever developed for this round has a ballistics chart so all you have to do is look, calculate a little, compare, adjust, and shoot! And Hit The Mark! Yes you can get out there farther with your 300WinMags and 338laupas and some of your 22PPCs and 6.5s are a lot more accurate. But you will have to do almost all the load and trajectory research yourself while trying to learn how to judge wind, temp affect, mirage, uphill/downhill shooting, etc. and that is an awful lot all at once. Spells headache and a lot of back-tracking because of forgotten info to me. I just said the 308Win was a good place to start and learn, not that it was the BEST round for long range shooting.

    Start small and end Big!

    Good Luck and Good Shooting!
  • XXCrossXXCross Member Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Great advice Tomahawk!
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    6.5mm is my current favorite for long range. Long range starts at about 600yds,..from 300-600 is mid range. I have the supermags all the way down to 22 cal,.and can say that the 6.5mm is the most forgiving dia pill I have used. I am currently using a 6.5x55AI in 600yd matches and it is great
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