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How do you guys break up a dog fight?

JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
My yellow lab FEMALE jumped my 155lb MALE rottweiller again last night. She just can't stand to not be the alpha dog, she fights males at the hunting lodge too. My poor rotty, he is so smart he just puts her down and then lets her up. He only bites her to get her to let go, but she won't. Now he will have another "hot spot" for a couple of weeks because of her, and he doesn't even like to fight.

Anyway, I have heard of the water in the face thing
NOPE
I have heard of the beating them with sticks etc
NOPE
I have tried to pull the dogs in opposite directions
NOPE
Shock collars
NOPE

I think my knuckle is fractured from punching them in the head, never even phased them. Finally remembered to stick my hand inside the mouth and down the throat to initiate the gagging reflex. that got it.

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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cut off about two foot of broom stick. You can pry the jaws, Gag em, Then whop um side the head with the stick.Learned that rasing chesapeakes.Put a mizzle on her and let har get a couple of * wipins works also.

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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks VH. You use those chesapeakes for any bird huntin?

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.

    Edited by - JustC on 05/03/2002 11:20:53
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  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If they are really ripping each other up, try a 50,000-100,000 volt stun gun. Normally, you don't even have to zap a dog with a stun gun......just zap it near them, and they freak.


    Merc

    Don't put it on their noses, of course. That can kill them, being so close to their brain.

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  • GrandWizardGrandWizard Member Posts: 109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Stun Gun ??? Please.Here is a link with some information that doesn't require you to go to jail for animal cruelty.Hope you find it useful.

    http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/2525/multidogs.htm


    Mercury.Anyone that would use a stun gun on a dog other than one that was attacking a person needs to use it on themselves first.

    Edited by - GrandWizard on 05/03/2002 11:33:07
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Mr. Wizard. That's very informative.

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  • instrumentofwarinstrumentofwar Member Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The breeder where I picked up my saint has had to ride her four-wheeler into the midst. You'd think that would hurt her dogs, but nope they go right on about their business.

    Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breed
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    Try tossing a cat into the frey. Maybe a Puma?
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Depends how serious it is. My dog has been bitten badly enough twice to require stitching the punctures and $250 in trips to the vet. It only took a split second to do the damage. You could actually make out the entire perimeter of the other dog's upper and lower teeth on my dog's back in two places. The other attack was on the side of her face and a flap of skin had to be sewed up.

    Now I carry 10% pepper spray, like the postman, as well as a firearm on all dog walks. Stun gun is another okay idea, but only if it works.

    My dog is not going to lose the next attack just because she won't bite back until she's injured. We're all done being injured if I have any say in the matter. I will go for the face with the pepper spray if there's time and opportunity, and switch to the gun if the attack does not stop immediately. If anyone has any suggestion about a more humane load, I'll be glad to hear it. I've considered everything from snakeshot to Glasers to my standard loads. I would certainly dial animal control and get the other animal help once the attack stopped.

    Perhaps there is a difference between dogfights and dog attacks. If you own two dogs with an alpha problem, I hear that it may be nearly impossible to solve permanently. So fights will be chronic. I hear two alphas may have to be separated.

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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GrandWizerd, That was very good information.Like JustC pointed out he goes to hunting camps.When you hunt with several different people, Are field trial, it is a different story.In the case of a hunting camp, You may not get invited back.In a field trial, You will loose your entry fee.The dominant member of the pack has to be the master of the dog.My Chesapeake's would chew through chain link to get at each other when I wasn't around. When they were with me, Sit and stay mint just that.It did not matter what was going on in front of them.If they don't wont to play well with others, Then I made them sit and stay.What they did behind my back was there business.

    Justc.I razed and trained Chesapeake's,Pointers,Setters, And Brittany's for twenty years.Both field trailing and hunting.

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  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Grand,
    I have dogs...I'm not advocating using a stun gun for training purposes.

    But if they are fighting and so intent on killing the other dog, that will prevent (more) injuries.

    I have been zapped by a 80k stun gun......hurts like hell.

    USE IT AS A LAST RESORT!

    Better than having the dog killed is what I'm saying.......

    Merc

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  • BayouCritterBayouCritter Member Posts: 76 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A dog trainer who is helping me train my yellow lab uses a buggy whip. It works well, I saw him break up a doberman and german shepard last month, it sent them both running in opposite directions. He says after they popped a couple times all he has to is show it to them and they stop.

    Thank god my lab is not that aggressive - all she does is chews up shoes and library books.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks guys, I am pleased to have the suggestions offered up for alternatives I had not considered. I just don't get a 100lb Maybe, female, jumping my 155lb male rotty. All he wants to do afterwards is to see if she is ok and she just wants to fight. She is definitely the Alpha * of the litter. She was the pick of the litter, 2nd largest dog in the litter. One big, tough female, but she loves to hunt and loves us as well. She will be 3 in june, so I think she may be going through the stages of growing and exerting herself as dominant. Lucky enough the hunt lodge is owned by my father-in-law, and I keep her in the truck until we hunt.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    JustC,Has she had a false pregnancy,That could be the cause.

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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe it's jest cause she's FEMALE!!!!

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  • ked-marked-mar Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just wet your finger, and put it where she doesn't like it, if you know what I mean. Then they will have-to pull her off you!!

    LOOK TWICE,SHOOT ONCE.
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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    Soak a rag with ammonia and hold it over the nose of the agressor. It will work!

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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    I bet that ammonia trick works.

    The best way I know of,I learned
    when I was 16,saw a guy do it,
    then I had the chance to use it.
    Run up behind the aggressor,grab
    it by the front of the thigh,up
    high.You`ll have two hands full
    of hide...do this without stopping,
    one motion,spinning like that guy
    in the olympics swinging that thing on
    a cable,or whatever it is,but you only
    have to spin a half turn,then let`er fly.

    When he/she lands ,both dogs usually go seperate ways.

    .218



    Edited by - 218Beekeep on 05/03/2002 23:07:40
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  • 25-0625-06 Member Posts: 382 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the female is that much trouble, why do you keep her? It may sound cruel, but about the third time she did that with me she would be dead. I will not tolerate dogs that fight.
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  • austin247austin247 Member Posts: 375 ✭
    edited November -1
    I think I'd make it a point not to stick my hand anywhere near a pissed off, fighting mad, biting, snarling fighting dog. I might soak the rag in ammonia and toss it in the middle of 'em, though.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I feel like a dummy for writing about shooting dogs earlier. I didn't do careful reading and didn't realize the subject was breaking up two family dogs. Please excuse the lapse -- I live in a dogs-okay apartment complex and there are some problems here with people bringing dogs obviously not meant for apartment living. But that's no excuse for loose talk. If ammonia works, I'm glad to hear it, because pepper spray will put your dog on a table at the vet's.

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    If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • Fep1990Fep1990 Member Posts: 632 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would pop her a shot of pepper spray, or if outside pepper foam. The foam works better in an enclosed place.. comes out like aerosol whip cream, so the male dog doesn't also get a face full of it. one or two times being hit with it should work.W ehad a neighborhood dog that ran loose at all times, this crazy dog charged us one night on a walk and he got sprayed. took 3 shots of the stuff... but now he leaves us alone. Look for the SHU ( Scoville Heat Units ), not necessarily the % of pepper. 2 SHU will be more than hot enough for a dog AND Man. What I usually carry is the Mace Pepper Foam, or Counter Assault brand spray. My dad turned me on to this last one, was originally made as a Grizzly repellant, then for LEO only and now is available to the public. here's their site http://www.counterassault.com/






    Edited by - Fep1990 on 05/04/2002 04:10:29
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Varmint hunter- She has not been pregnant, I keep them seperate when she is in heat.

    dheffley, I was told the ammonia thing last night and will be keeping that handy from now on.

    beekeep- I would wonder if I could toss all 255lbs of them both. You say it worked well for you? How big were the dogs? Any chance of hip damage that you know of?

    fep1990- I will be trying that if the ammonia thing fails.

    Grandwizard- much thanks, I printed that out for home use.

    Offerer- yeah, I will agree with your first response if I have that happen to me. These two are great together, it has only been recently. I just don't get it. Why after almost 3 years, doesn't make sense.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    JustC:

    The first dog I saw this done with was
    a Black Lab,he belonged to the guy who
    stopped the fight,no hip trouble,but he
    was only about 75 lbs,I suppose.

    The one I swung was a little bigger,but
    I`m afraid your dogs are bigger..I don`t
    suppose there would be any problem swingin`
    your lab,a buck fifty of male Rottweiller..no thank ya!!

    By the way,did you realize you said
    "be keeping",in the second sentence of your last post?

    .218

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  • Ms. BeastMs. Beast Member Posts: 496 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would talk to the vet and let him know what is going on. If it just started, could be she has something wrong with her. I would watch her around people, just in case!

    Pelican.....I heard that!!!!
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  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    AS BAYOU CRITTER SAID.PAIN WORKS.WHEN I WAS A KID WE HAD TWO DOGS THAT JUST HAD TO BE THE BOSS.MY DAD TOOK HIS BELT TO THEM EVERYTIME THEY GOT INTO IT AND PRETTY SOON THEY FIGURED OUT HE WAS THE DOMINANT PRIMORDIAL BEAST NO MORE FIGHTS.SOME SAY YOU CANT TRAIN ANIMALS AGAINST THEIR INSTINCT,THIS IS B.S. I ONCE HAD A TOMCAT THAT SPRAYED EVERYTHING IN SIGHT..WHEN I HAPPENED UPON IT I GRABBED HIM BY THE SCRUFF OF THE NECK,RUBBED HIS NOSE IN HIS OWN MESS,AND WHIPPED THE HELL OUT OF HIM WITH MY OPEN HAND THEN THREW HIM IN HIS LITTER BOX.IT WORKED AFTER ABOUT 3 MONTHS HE SPRAYED IN HIS LITTER BOX ONLY.NOT HUMANE TO SOME I GUESS BUT IT KEPT ME FROM KILLING THE LITTLE BAS@#%D

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have wondered if a squirt gun of ammonia might not give a more accurate method of application to the offensive dog. Problem is -- being toys, most squirt guns leak. If I could find one that didn't, I'd have myself another carry item for dog walks.

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  • blazeblaze Member Posts: 233 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    get you a super soaker squirt gun, you can probally get about a gallon of ammonia in it.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I used windex on em this weekend when they scrapped again. It seemed to break it up fairly quickly. I see that our discipline has been a little off in that we need to show the dominant dog attention first and not scold him in front of the less dominant dog. But just in case.....yes beekeep,...I will "be keeping" the spray bottle handy. I think I will label it ...........dogfight solution # 218.

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