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Fl deputy hassels CCW holder
Mr. Perfect
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pns3_Peke30Any of you Florida guys know if Andy Cox is still gainfully employed as a deputy? I thought FL was an open carry state. Guess I was wrong about that.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
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Any of you Florida guys know if Andy Cox is still gainfully employed as a deputy? I thought FL was an open carry state. Guess I was wrong about that.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/content/traffic-stop-video-triggers-investigation
"The Citrus County Sheriff's Office is aware of the video involving Deputy Andy Cox making a traffic stop and subsequent arrest," according to a statement from the agency. "We have opened an internal affairs investigation and Deputy Cox has been placed in an administrative position while the investigation is conducted."
Paid to ride a desk until he is cleared and free to terrorize more citizens. A bad cop in any form is a disgrace.
No,....we do not have open carry in Florida.[xx(]
ETA: Watched the video finally.
This is a cop that I would (DON'T YOU HATE IT WHEN I EDIT YOUR WELL THOUGHT OUT POST? STOP WITH THE DISGUISED PROFANITY, THEN! NUNN)tomorrow by a REAL criminal.
This old redneck did nothing wrong, but bend over, and his gun displayed for 2 seconds. He DID tell the OFFICER that he had a permit, but this OFFICER evidently couldn't hear him between his yelling of obscenities at a guy that was respectful the entire time.
If this was Marion County,......I would be ALL over it[}:)].
Thank you Marion Hammer. [V]
Allen
Clouder..
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Yeah classy remark about "Ill shoot ya in the "F'n" back. I knew right then how this thing was gonna unfold
And he used language like that in front of a woman. Just for that he needs his mouth washed out with battery acid.
Clouder..
Still, the deputy was unprofessional and you could tell he had just been waiting to file a charge on a permit holder.
Seeing a part of a holster, I don't believe, doesn't constitute seeing a firearm. The holster could have been empty for all the deputy knew.
Sad state of affairs with officers like this on the street.
This is the e-mail for the media relations person quoted in the news article.
I just sent her a real 'nice' one.
Anyone else,....feel free.[}:)]
Tom
Both probably handled it wrong. The guy should not have gotten out of the van and he should have immediately told the cop that he carried concealed. Then the cop overeacted probably and was unprofessional from there on out. The guy might make some money on this deal.
Tom
You DO NOT have to inform a cop that you are a CCW holder in Florida!!!
CCW holders do not kill cops BTW.
This guy is a Nazi SS Storm Trooper with a foul mouth.
Citizens don't need to put up with this BS.
Tom
Maybe you don't have to, but it would be the smart thing to do.
Tom
The guy made it clear he carries all the time.
People like that don't even think about having a legal concealed weapon on them.
Same as having your underwear on.
They also don't expect to be treated like human garbage by the people whose salaries are paid by taxpayers.
quote:Originally posted by Manyguns
Both probably handled it wrong. The guy should not have gotten out of the van and he should have immediately told the cop that he carried concealed. Then the cop overeacted probably and was unprofessional from there on out. The guy might make some money on this deal.
Tom
You DO NOT have to inform a cop that you are a CCW holder in Florida!!!
CCW holders do not kill cops BTW.
This guy is a Nazi SS Storm Trooper with a foul mouth.
Citizens don't need to put up with this BS.
If there is no law that says you have to inform then the cop is out of line. I hope he got sued.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Manyguns
Both probably handled it wrong. The guy should not have gotten out of the van and he should have immediately told the cop that he carried concealed. Then the cop overeacted probably and was unprofessional from there on out. The guy might make some money on this deal.
Tom
You DO NOT have to inform a cop that you are a CCW holder in Florida!!!
CCW holders do not kill cops BTW.
This guy is a Nazi SS Storm Trooper with a foul mouth.
Citizens don't need to put up with this BS.
If there is no law that says you have to inform then the cop is out of line. I hope he got sued.
Trust me,....there is no law to inform.
They probably know when they run your tag to be honest.
All the guy did was to bend over, and because he is not exactly skinny, his shirt rode up for a moment showing the bottom of a holster.
Regardless of whether the cop wanting to tag the guy for 'showing',.....why the foul language, and threatening to shoot him in the back?
Sounds like a coward to me.
"I'll shoot you in the back."
People like this should not be cops,....simple.
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Manyguns
Both probably handled it wrong. The guy should not have gotten out of the van and he should have immediately told the cop that he carried concealed. Then the cop overeacted probably and was unprofessional from there on out. The guy might make some money on this deal.
Tom
You DO NOT have to inform a cop that you are a CCW holder in Florida!!!
CCW holders do not kill cops BTW.
This guy is a Nazi SS Storm Trooper with a foul mouth.
Citizens don't need to put up with this BS.
If there is no law that says you have to inform then the cop is out of line. I hope he got sued.
Trust me,....there is no law to inform.
They probably know when they run your tag to be honest.
All the guy did was to bend over, and because he is not exactly skinny, his shirt rode up for a moment showing the bottom of a holster.
Regardless of whether the cop wanting to tag the guy for 'showing',.....why the foul language, and threatening to shoot him in the back?
Sounds like a coward to me.
"I'll shoot you in the back."
People like this should not be cops,....simple.
People like that should not be people, if you get my drift.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
People with concealed weapons licenses will no longer face arrest for accidentally letting their guns show.
Gov. Rick Scott signed a new law (SB 234) decriminalizing such unintended displays. It's effective immediately.
Those who intentionally openly carry a weapon could still face jail time
I'm sorry I would not have complied with his unlawful demands.
Whatever would have happened, would happen. In my 20 years of law enforcement I never saw anyone treated like that. If I had been present, I would have done whatever was necessary to make sure that deputy never did that again.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
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GENERAL BILL by Rules ; Criminal Justice ; Evers ; (CO-INTRODUCERS) Dockery ; Lynn ; Hays ; Norman ; Negron ; Garcia ; Altman
Firearms; Provides that a person who is licensed to carry a concealed firearm is not in violation of law if the firearm is briefly and openly displayed under certain circumstances. Allows the Division of Licensing of the DOACS to take fingerprints from concealed carry license applicants. Provides that a person may not openly carry a weapon or firearm or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into specified locations. Provides that concealed carry licensees shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes, etc.
Last Action: 06/17/2011 Chapter No. 2011-145
Effective Date: June 17, 2011
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Related Bills (3)
Bill Text (5)
Amendments (12)
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Date Chamber Action
12/10/2010 Senate Filed
01/05/2011 Senate Referred to Commerce and Tourism; Education Pre-K - 12; Budget -SJ 27
01/06/2011 Senate Original reference(s)- removed: Commerce and Tourism; Education Pre-K - 12; Budget
References corrected to Criminal Justice; Judiciary; Rules
Now in Criminal Justice
02/11/2011 Senate On Committee agenda-- Criminal Justice, 02/22/11, 9:00 am, 37 Senate Office Building --Temporarily Postponed
03/04/2011 Senate On Committee agenda-- Criminal Justice, 03/09/11, 3:15 pm, 37 Senate Office Building --Temporarily Postponed
03/08/2011 Senate Introduced -SJ 27
03/09/2011 Senate On Committee agenda-- Criminal Justice, 03/14/11, 1:00 pm, 37 Senate Office Building
03/14/2011 Senate CS by Criminal Justice; YEAS 3 NAYS 2 -SJ 227
03/15/2011 Senate Pending reference review under Rule 4.7(2) - (Committee Substitute)
CS by Criminal Justice read 1st time -SJ 227
03/16/2011 Senate Now in Judiciary -SJ 227
04/07/2011 Senate On Committee agenda-- Judiciary, 04/12/11, 1:00 pm, 110 Senate Office Building
04/12/2011 Senate Favorable by Judiciary; YEAS 4 NAYS 3 -SJ 469
04/13/2011 Senate Now in Rules -SJ 469
On Committee agenda-- Rules, 04/15/11, 9:15 am, 110 Senate Office Building
04/15/2011 Senate CS/CS by- Rules; YEAS 8 NAYS 4 -SJ 471
04/18/2011 Senate Pending reference review -under Rule 4.7(2) - (Committee Substitute)
04/20/2011 Senate Placed on Calendar, on 2nd reading -SJ 471
04/25/2011 Senate Placed on Special Order Calendar, 04/27/11
04/26/2011 Senate CS/CS by Rules read 1st time -SJ 474
04/27/2011 Senate Read 2nd time -SJ 539
Amendment(s) adopted (688734) -SJ 539
Ordered engrossed -SJ 539
Placed on 3rd reading
04/28/2011 Senate Read 3rd time -SJ 548
CS passed as amended; YEAS 26 NAYS 11 -SJ 548
04/29/2011 House In Messages
05/02/2011 House Referred to Calendar -HJ 1007
Placed on Special Order Calendar, 05/03/11
Received -HJ 1007
05/03/2011 House Read 2nd time -HJ 1064
Placed on 3rd reading
05/04/2011 House Read 3rd time -HJ 1121
CS passed; YEAS 99 NAYS 17 -HJ 1131, 1132
05/04/2011 Senate Ordered enrolled -SJ 851
06/08/2011 Signed by Officers and presented to Governor
06/17/2011 Approved by Governor
Chapter No. 2011-145
Related BillsBill Number Subject Filed By Relationship Last Action Track Bills
H 0517 Firearms Dorworth Similar 05/03/2011 H Laid on Table, companion bill(s) passed, see CS/CS/SB 234 (Ch. 2011-145) -HJ 1101
H 4069 Firearms Purchases Diaz Compare 05/07/2011 H Died in Judiciary Committee, companion bill(s) passed, see CS/CS/SB 234 (Ch. 2011-145)
S 0956 Firearms Transactions Hays Compare 05/07/2011 S Died in Budget, companion bill(s) passed, see CS/CS/SB 234 (Ch. 2011-145)
Bill TextVersion Posted Format
S 0234 12/10/2010 at 11:00 AM Web Page | PDF
S 0234 c1 03/15/2011 at 9:11 AM Web Page | PDF
S 0234 c2 04/18/2011 at 12:09 PM Web Page | PDF
S 0234 e1 04/27/2011 at 5:07 PM Web Page | PDF
S 0234 er 05/04/2011 at 4:16 PM Web Page | PDF
Committee AmendmentsVersion Amendment Sponsor Filed Last Committee Action Format
S 0234 180224 - Amendment Criminal Justice (Evers) 02/18/2011
at 2:27 PM Replaced by Substitute Amendment 03/14/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 245176 - Substitute Amendment (Delete All) (180224) Criminal Justice (Evers) 03/09/2011
at 1:09 PM Replaced by Committee Substitute 03/14/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 563520 - Amendment to Substitute Amendment (245176) Criminal Justice (Dockery) 03/09/2011
at 1:10 PM Replaced by Committee Substitute 03/14/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 519268 - Amendment to Substitute Amendment (245176) Criminal Justice (Dockery) 03/09/2011
at 8:13 PM Replaced by Committee Substitute 03/14/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 973004 - Amendment to Substitute Amendment (245176) Criminal Justice (Evers) 03/11/2011
at 12:31 PM Replaced by Committee Substitute 03/14/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 c1 348370 - Amendment Judiciary (Bogdanoff) 04/11/2011
at 3:07 PM Withdrawn 04/12/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 c1 589950 - Substitute Amendment (348370) Judiciary (Bogdanoff) 04/12/2011
at 11:08 AM Withdrawn 04/12/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 c1 349518 - Amendment (Delete All) Rules (Negron) 04/14/2011
at 9:17 AM Replaced by Committee Substitute 04/18/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 c1 974748 - Amendment to Amendment (349518) Rules (Gaetz) 04/15/2011
at 2:11 PM Replaced by Committee Substitute 04/18/2011 Web Page
PDF
Floor AmendmentsVersion Amendment Sponsor Filed Last Floor Action Format
S 0234 c2 322294 - Amendment Bogdanoff 04/26/2011
at 10:16 AM Senate: Replaced by Substitute Amendment
04/27/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 c2 688734 - Substitute Amendment (322294) Bogdanoff 04/26/2011
at 4:51 PM Senate: Adopted
04/27/2011 Web Page
PDF
S 0234 e1 733353 - Strike All Amendment Abruzzo 05/03/2011
at 2:24 PM House: Withdrawn
05/04/2011 Web Page
PDF
Bill AnalysesType Analysis Author Posted Format
Bill Analysis S 0234 Criminal Justice 02/21/2011 at 7:28 AM PDF
Bill Analysis S 0234 Criminal Justice 03/14/2011 at 5:50 PM PDF
Bill Analysis S 0234 Judiciary 04/13/2011 at 1:38 PM PDF
Bill Analysis S 0234 Judiciary 04/13/2011 at 1:28 PM PDF
Bill Analysis S 0234 Rules 04/13/2011 at 1:50 PM PDF
Bill Analysis S 0234 Rules 04/18/2011 at 11:59 AM PDF
Vote History - CommitteeVersion Committee Date Result
S 0234 Criminal Justice 03/14/2011 at 1:00 PM Yeas: 3 Nays: 2
S 0234 c1 Judiciary 04/12/2011 at 1:00 PM Yeas: 4 Nays: 3
S 0234 c1 Rules 04/15/2011 at 9:15 AM Yeas: 8 Nays: 4
Vote History - FloorVote Date Chamber Result
S 0234 e1 04/28/2011 at 9:12 AM Senate Yeas: 26 Nays: 11
S 0234 e1 05/04/2011 at 2:18 PM House Yeas: 88 Nays: 28
S 0234 e1 05/04/2011 at 2:22 PM House Yeas: 99 Nays: 17
Citations - Statutes790.053 - Open carrying of weapons. 790.06 - License to carry concealed weapon or firearm. 790.065 - Sale and delivery of firearms. 790.28 Citations - ConstitutionNO CONSTITUTIONAL CITATIONS FOUND FOR SENATE BILL 0234.
That Deputy needs to find a new line of work. He obviously is not suited for law enforcement. He escalates way to fast and has hysteria in his voice when giving commands. How did he ever get out of a training car?
I'm sorry I would not have complied with his unlawful demands.
Whatever would have happened, would happen. In my 20 years of law enforcement I never saw anyone treated like that. If I had been present, I would have done whatever was necessary to make sure that deputy never did that again.
Too bad there are not more like you Alpine.
I passed a stopped vehicle about 2 weeks ago, and when I saw the young Deputy, I was tempted to stop and just laugh at him.
Probably would have resulted in my arrest, as he was clearly on roids, and his entire head was shaved short of the very top.
Like a short Mohawk I guess.
What's the deal with the paramilitary look in even small to medium sized towns?
Is it meant to intimidate people by chance?
Would have the opposite effect on me, as I would laugh in his face were he to pull me over.
This happened in 2009 and is one of the reasons for the new law
Gary,....I know the dates, but this video has caused them a bunch of grief.
I wish I would have saved a copy of the e-mail I sent.
Sure they will find it interesting.
I used class though, unlike their employee.[xx(]
quote:Originally posted by savage170
This happened in 2009 and is one of the reasons for the new law
Gary,....I know the dates, but this video has caused them a bunch of grief.
I wish I would have saved a copy of the e-mail I sent.
Sure they will find it interesting.
I used class though, unlike their employee.[xx(]
More of a answer to bullshot on how sb234 got passed this video was used to present the case to the state and Gov. Scott
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by savage170
This happened in 2009 and is one of the reasons for the new law
Gary,....I know the dates, but this video has caused them a bunch of grief.
I wish I would have saved a copy of the e-mail I sent.
Sure they will find it interesting.
I used class though, unlike their employee.[xx(]
More of a answer to bullshot on how sb234 got passed this video was used to present the case to the state and Gov. Scott
Sorry man.
I wish we could finally get full open carry even though I would not participate personally.
hyates@sheriffcitrus.org
This is the e-mail for the media relations person quoted in the news article.
I just sent her a real 'nice' one.
Anyone else,....feel free.[}:)]
I sent an e-mail also, thanks for the link!
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
That Deputy needs to find a new line of work. He obviously is not suited for law enforcement. He escalates way to fast and has hysteria in his voice when giving commands. How did he ever get out of a training car?
I'm sorry I would not have complied with his unlawful demands.
Whatever would have happened, would happen. In my 20 years of law enforcement I never saw anyone treated like that. If I had been present, I would have done whatever was necessary to make sure that deputy never did that again.
Too bad there are not more like you Alpine.
I passed a stopped vehicle about 2 weeks ago, and when I saw the young Deputy, I was tempted to stop and just laugh at him.
Probably would have resulted in my arrest, as he was clearly on roids, and his entire head was shaved short of the very top.
Like a short Mohawk I guess.
What's the deal with the paramilitary look in even small to medium sized towns?
Is it meant to intimidate people by chance?
Would have the opposite effect on me, as I would laugh in his face were he to pull me over.
I am in a small town of about 18,000 people and 95% of the cops here have the same look..I think they all watch too many episodes of "Cops" on their days off. Morons.[xx(]
If you read closely,.....this freak may have been freed due to their ineptness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lunsford
Just put the other shoe on.. Stay in the vehicle till the officer approaches and then do your business. Bad news not to inform an officer you are armed. If you don't and they see a weapon you could get shot. If you do inform them and show your permit, they are usually at ease a little knowing you aren't a felon.
I am not required to inform. And I will not. If asked I will show my retired ID. After that it is none of their business.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
That Deputy needs to find a new line of work. He obviously is not suited for law enforcement. He escalates way to fast and has hysteria in his voice when giving commands. How did he ever get out of a training car?
I'm sorry I would not have complied with his unlawful demands.
Whatever would have happened, would happen. In my 20 years of law enforcement I never saw anyone treated like that. If I had been present, I would have done whatever was necessary to make sure that deputy never did that again.
30 years of law enforcement here. I would have cold-cocked him while he peed himself.
a legal lesson he would not soon forget.