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Profiling
jeenyes
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To ensure we Americans never offend anyone - - - - particularly fanatics intent on killing us - airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people.
They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal Of Honor winning former Governors.
Let's pause a moment and take the following test.
In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
(a)Olga Corbutt
(b)Sitting Bull
(c)Arnold Schwarzenegger
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a)Lost Norwegians
(b)Elvis
(c)A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a)John Dillinger
(b)The King of Sweden
(c)The Boy Scouts
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a)A pizza delivery boy
(b)Pee Wee Herman
(c)Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked,
and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a)The Smurfs
(b)Davy Jones
(c)US Military personnel, in uniform, with valid IDs, passport, & orders.
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
(a)Captain Kidd
(b)Charles Lindberg
(c)Mother Teresa
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a)Scooby Doo
(b)The Tooth Fairy
(c)Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid who had a few sticks of dynamite left over from the train job.
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
(a)Richard Simmons
(b)Grandma Moses
(c)Michael Jordan
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a)Mr. Rogers
(b)Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
(c)The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless"
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
(a)Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
(b)The Supreme Court of Florida
(c)Mr. Bean
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
(a)Enron
(b)The Lutheran Church
(c)The NFL
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
(a)Bonny and Clyde
(b)Captain Kangaroo
(c)Billy Graham
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
Hmmm . . . nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling
I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal Of Honor winning former Governors.
Let's pause a moment and take the following test.
In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
(a)Olga Corbutt
(b)Sitting Bull
(c)Arnold Schwarzenegger
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a)Lost Norwegians
(b)Elvis
(c)A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a)John Dillinger
(b)The King of Sweden
(c)The Boy Scouts
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a)A pizza delivery boy
(b)Pee Wee Herman
(c)Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked,
and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a)The Smurfs
(b)Davy Jones
(c)US Military personnel, in uniform, with valid IDs, passport, & orders.
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
(a)Captain Kidd
(b)Charles Lindberg
(c)Mother Teresa
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a)Scooby Doo
(b)The Tooth Fairy
(c)Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid who had a few sticks of dynamite left over from the train job.
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
(a)Richard Simmons
(b)Grandma Moses
(c)Michael Jordan
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a)Mr. Rogers
(b)Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
(c)The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless"
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
(a)Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
(b)The Supreme Court of Florida
(c)Mr. Bean
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
(a)Enron
(b)The Lutheran Church
(c)The NFL
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
(a)Bonny and Clyde
(b)Captain Kangaroo
(c)Billy Graham
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
Hmmm . . . nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling
I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
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And lets not forget who blew up mailboxes in a "smiley-face" pattern.....young white male.
My point?
It isn't that we should focus on Muslims, it is that we shouldn't focus on JUST THEM!
Yes, young Muslim males are responsible for more bombings. So who do you think is going to do the next few bombings? It certainly won't be young Muslim males! It'll be who we least expect........85 year old grandmothers, etc.
Think about it.
Merc
NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!
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"Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
Oh.....I know about OKC...........but I'm going with the "official" version.
Just wanted to add that our airline security STILL sucks.
I flew recently (I fly quite a bit) and the idiots didn't even scan me with the hand wand when it went off as I walked through. I could have been carrying ANYTHING! They said "Ok, go ahead" thinking I'd already been scanned by someone else. The whole area was a mess.....no organization, no one in charge, etc.
When I finally found the "supervisor" I chewed some *.
Merc
NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!
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"Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
Edited by - jdb123 on 05/12/2002 15:57:00
jdb123 - If you want some of the TRUTH about OK City, contact me at 38spl@kconline.com and I will be glad to give you info and contacts as to where the truth CAN be learned.
The second admendment GUARANTEES the other nine and the Constitution!
Edited by - S&W Man on 05/12/2002 18:03:41
I just wish I had a dollar for every gun I wanted, then I'd be a rich man.
SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY
As to Oklahoma city, I think Timothy McVeigh did it but I am not really positive. The government lies a lot in this country.
Bruce
Yes there have been white male bombers, however that was citizens, and they would only have been stopped if acquaintances had become alarmed.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
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But profiling ONLY certain people is not only stupid, but plain foolish!
We need to be vigilant against ANYONE who may do harm. Doesn't matter what color, age, or religion they are.
People are freaks, sadly.
Merc
NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!
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"Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
I am very much against profiling. Profiling is not "a reasonable self-defense mechanism". It is paranoia and xenophobia. If you feel frightened by all people foreign to you, you might need some prescription medication. I understand they have some real dandy ones on the market right now.
Ids, weren't you recently "profiled" during a traffic stop by a redneck cop in OK, and all bent out of shape about it? I seem to remember you ranting about it here awhile back.
DarkStar11
"...But Mona Lisa musta had the highway bluesYou can tell by the way she smiles..."
No, I'm not against profiling when it comes to an airplane I'm about to board.
If it is someone driving down the road, and they are stopped because they are brown or whatever, that is a different matter to me.
I'm certainly not xenophobic.....I've probably traveled more than most people here.
I also have many Muslim friends, which I doubt very few people here can say.
It sucks to be them right now.
My friend Saqib flew to Washington DC recently, and had no problems, or major hassles, thankfully. His dad Anwar, (who happens to look JUST LIKE Saddam Hussein, unfortunately!!!) flew recently, and was hassled constantly.
HOWEVER, Anwar wasn't complaining about it!!!!!
He told me "If I have to get searched many times to make people feel safe, then it is ok with me"
He handled it far better than I would have, I think......
Funny thing about my Muslim friends........they have more "patriotism" than most of my white friends! (Most have moved here in the last 15 years.)
Merc
NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!
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"Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
quote:...profiling ONLY certain people is not only stupid, but plain foolish!
We need to be vigilant against ANYONE who may do harm. Doesn't matter what color, age, or religion they are.
People are freaks, sadly.
-- is that anyone ought to be subject to the same amount of screening as the next guy, as ANYONE may do harm. I agree. All people are equally dangerous. Regardless of skin color, religion, etc., or driving down a road or boarding an airplane or a bus.
The second half of my reply was directed towards Idsman75, especially since he has been a recent subject of profiling; in his own words:
from http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14567
quote: I haven't found out how many county or Hi-Po's there are in that area but I do know that Oklahoma has executed 15 people (including 3 women) in the last 9 months. I figure nobody is going to get the benefit of the doubt in that state. I'm sure my experience resulted from the out-of-state east-coast license plates that were on the vehicle and my 7-day * hair growth complemented by my perfectly shaven head.
Now is that profiling, or paranoia of profiling? Either way, he seems to think he was profiled.
DarkStar11
"...But Mona Lisa musta had the highway bluesYou can tell by the way she smiles..."
Edited by - DarkStar11 on 05/13/2002 01:41:45
DarkStar11
"...But Mona Lisa musta had the highway bluesYou can tell by the way she smiles..."
DarkStar11
"...But Mona Lisa musta had the highway bluesYou can tell by the way she smiles..."
It's more productive to pursue a population with a history
of a problem than one without. For example it's more likely to find a higher level of violent criminality in the Black community than the white or the Chinese or the Korean or the Japanese or the Filipino or the Vietnamese or the Polish........etc or any of the other minority groups in America. That fact can be resented but not denied. The way out of the group stigmatism is to change behavior not to try to ignore or supress data. The term profiling is a Liberal coined term, a name calling technique and we have bought into it.
Respect and acceptance is earned not bestowed.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
As stated above, it wasn't the white guy who commited the single largest act of foreign terrorism on the U.S. It was a Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40. Sorry.
I don't care who is offended.
PC=BS.
Gun Control Disarms Victims, NOT Criminals
There are hundreds of examples of profiling that works, there are just as many bad examples, then there are the ones who was arrested and charged with a crime who use "profiling" to escape prosicution.
I have been "profiled" before and yes it was agitating at the time it happened but to think about now, I don't blame the officer and the sales clerk for doing that. I have tattoos and had long hair, looked like a punk, got profiled at a gun store while looking at a handgun, then made the clerk eat his words when I produced a carry permit. Got profiled for having a rifle hanging in the window of my pickup, cop saw tinted windows and the gun and pulled me over, saw the hair and tattoos and you know what happened from there.
I feel if I had been in thier shoes I would be suspicous also and I hold no grudge.
It's just the target of the profiling that people are squealing about.
I guarantee you if Caucasians were being racially profiled and stopped/questioned/searched more, no one would shed a tear for us.
We've got it coming for all the evil the white race is responsible for, after all....
It's just a plain and simple excuse for people to grouse. It has nothing to do with the act of profiling itself.
And, like has been said before, when Caucasian men start blowing up buildings in the name of Allah, and when Caucasian men become responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the US, then I'll just have to accept some profiling and deal with it.
This isnt an esoteric excuse for cops to hassle people. The hard evidence speaks for itself.
PS- You forgot one, Jeenyes.
A commercial airliner was nearly blown out of the sky when _______ attempted to detonate plastic explosives smuggled in his shoes:
a)Mahatma Ghandi
b)a disgruntled circus clown
c)a lifetime member of the NRA
d)a Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40
So, profile away, because as beach said, it works. But don't tell those being profiled to shut up about it. We need their dissent.
Clouder...
huh?!
PUH-LEASE! Any moron knows you're more likely to find a higher level of violent criminality in 'POOR' communities.
"And, like has been said before, when Caucasian men start blowing up buildings in the name of Allah, and when Caucasian men become responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the US, then I'll just have to accept some profiling and deal with it."
Nearly all Serial Killers are well educated, white males between the ages of 20 and 40. That covers well over half the members on this forum. Now do you want to be pulled over, questioned, and insulted every time you go out just because you fit that description?
Pass the sheets, grab the rope and light some fires let's kill them violent n*ggers!
Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
Edited by - thesupermonkey on 05/13/2002 16:00:08
occurances by groups. It is not 100 percent but what is? We
all "profile" in everyday life. It is why one steers clear of high
crime areas, high priced gun stores, and reads "feedback" when buying
on Gun Broker. Simply statistics.
Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
Edited by - thesupermonkey on 05/13/2002 16:27:00
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
First stop because I was wearing a Smith Wesson tee-shirt. Second stop due to my camo bandanna. Third stop due to me having a large ball of twine in one hand and finally the wooden sticks wound up in bright colored paper. Sheeesh! And I was just headed out to fly a kite. Just jok'n.
How bout the profiling that's going on in this forum. You know big bro's reading our post and putting each of us in micro chip marked
"hazardous to a polite society". We own guns, therefore we must be a threat. We are grounded in firm moral beliefs [most of us] so we are a threat. We disagree with folks but can still live peacefully with them so we're a threat. We express our ideas because something in our history tells us we can but when we do we're labled homophobes, racist, people full of hate, and so on. So we must be a threat and the profiling continues.
"Join the Baby Fur Seal Club and take a swing at life"
If you answered to any of those saying "yes I have seen or done that", you my friend have profiled someone. Every dang single one of us has profiled someone because of how they look or race. Then some of us sit here and condemn profiling when those persons cannot honestly say they never done it.
Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.