is this wierd or what

n4thethrill · July 2002

i was reading the newspaper yesterday and i just realized that the #one golfer in the US is black and the # 1 rapper is white tiger/eminem (or something like that) now is that messed up or what

you can be king or street sweeper but everyone is going to dance with the reaper

guns-n-painthorses · July 2002

careful now, you might be called a racist for those sterotyped comments!:)

Got Guns?

218Beekeep · July 2002

I`ll tell ya what`s weird..GOLF AND RAP BOTH SUCK!!!

.218

4wheeler · July 2002

Hey Bee,I agree,now I must flee. I better keep my day job.

"It was like that when I got here".

interstatepawnllc · July 2002

Golf is a gentlemens game. RAP BLOWS !! Oh and incidentally there was a post earlier depicting the lyrics of several black rap songs. Many with many extremely derogatory anti white hatred messages. It got me to thinking. What if white musicians were spouting the same messages towards black America. Oh my, heavens to Betsy, the liberals would be pitchin a fit. ACLU would be marching on Washington. Al Sharpton and brother Jesse would be on Fox and CNN 24-7 !! BUT SOMEHOW THIS IS ACCEPTABLE when it is directed to the white man?? Excuse me while I PUKE somemore !! I HATE DOUBLE STANDARDS !!

n4thethrill · July 2002

first off i'm not a racist and i don't like rap but i do like to shoot golf balls/w/my 223

you can be king or street sweeper but everyone is going to dance with the reaper

.250Savage · July 2002

Jeff Cooper wrote something about that some years back. Something along the lines of using a 9mm for a putter ("...finally found a use for the d--- thing.", was, as I recall, the gist of what he said,) and using a 40mm or some such ordanace piece for a driver. Now THERE'S a game!!! Maybe I should check out the "old man's" game after all...

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~

dads-freehold · July 2002

greetings, i agree with interstatepawn' how long do we have to tolerate walking on eggshells for these people? if it's wrong for us(and i believe it is) why is it right for them? example i went over to a friends place that has certain interests computer generated art, there were three of them listning to this cd that had a drumbeat that didn't fit, with some fella rapping about the hood f. that f. this my n. this , my n. that coupled with at least two or three other chanters saying mf this , my n. that ,etc. anyhow there was this one line ,i didn't quite catch about capping whites or something like that. and i had to ask how they could listen to stuff like that, their response was it's only music man, or that's cool, or some such stuff. respt submitted dads-freehold

rodney colson

ccasey612 · July 2002

I agree with most of you as a "black man". I like rap, rock,pop, basketball and yes Golf. I listen to alot of the "black" rappers and like alot of what they say about having fun and dancing. I am still young and that is what young people do. I do not like that fact that they fell as tought "the white America" is holding them down. I hear that so much that it makes me sick to my gutt. The white man this and the white man that. Bla bla bla bla bla. If a white man mad a song about shooting a black man. you would have Al and Jess marching on Washington because the black race would see that as wrong. Why a black person can do that about a white person and get away with it I do not understand. Ther are still people out there saying the white man is holding me down??? I come from a place where the shooting was done on the streets and not in the range and where you caould get a illegal gun almost as fast as you could get some crack. Now i Live in a house with a 2 car drive way and the only popping you here is most likely Mr. Louge 1958 Chevy back fire. I know I kind of went off the subject a little but my point is that... It is not just a white man who thinks that black people are using what happened in the past as a excuse for their current and future failures.

Sorry for the long post, just venting.

If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.

HappyNanoq · July 2002

Hehe

When i hear "Golf" - i usually thinks about the movie "CaddyShack" with Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd and such...

A hotshot rich-man wants in on a membership in a countryclub.
one of the Golf-clubs gave a GREAT WHAMMO and the golfball traveled downrange on the golfcourse with a white smoketrail.

They asked him what kind of club it was.... "12 gauge" he said =o)

I love my silenced .22 Anshutz rifle =o) And soon to be Steyr Scout with 10-round ext-set. ;o_

sodbuster · July 2002

Yo Happy Nanog,,
Um,,er,,don't remember seeing Dan Aykroyd,,,,but I remember Bill Murray,,,"FREEZE GOPHER"!!!

"Just my opinion."

Bushy AR · July 2002

Lessee...a black golfer #1 in the world,two black sisters #1and#2 in tennis,an idiot white kid with an uncanny business sense the "rapper-du-jour",and a transvestite englishman with one of the funniest stand-up comedy routines I've seen lately....yep,must be the end of the world coming soon....gotta buy more ammo and MREs!!

Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.

Edited by - Bushy AR on 07/06/2002 21:41:55

nunn · July 2002

I hate rap music. Black, white, Christian, nasty, violent, whatever variety, I hate hearing it.

Golf? Just not interested. Good game for those who have several hours to kill in a day. With my schedule, it would take me two weeks to play 18 holes.

Something that has pleased me though:

I used to work gun shows a lot. When I first started, you NEVER saw a black person at a show. I remember when a black person walking the show would cause all the dealers to whisper to one another, "Looky there, etc."

Gradually, we started seeing more and more minorities coming to the show, and then we started seeing them as dealers in the show. Now the only thing that causes the dealers to bristle is when the obvious gang-bangers show up on Sunday afternoon.

One day, a white skinhead was perusing my wares. He had the shaved head and "white power" tattoos all down his arms. He asked about a particular gun I had for sale, and I told him that he could not possibly carry enough hundred dollar bills into the building to buy a gun from me.

Since then, I have noticed more Asians, Hispanics, and even gay people at the shows.

I think we should be glad to recruit members into the gun fraternity regardless of their color, or religion, or whatever. Better to focus on the things that unite us than those that divide us.

SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the best gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net

leeblackman · July 2002

Well Tiger Woods is a talented althete at the most boring game in the world next to shuffleboard. And Emimnim is one of the most talented people in the world at exploiting the youth into spending their parents money.

Basically they are both talented individuals, doing what their best at to make them popular and wealthy. Thought what they both do really SUCKS...

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !

leeblackman · July 2002

Would I be racist if I said I hate those rich little white woman who drive those expensive suv's and little two seater BMW's, and do so like they own the road. It seems like everytime someones on my a** as I'm going down the freeway doing 10 over its one of them. I really hate that.

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !

interstatepawnllc · July 2002

ccasey,.... it was refreshing to hear your response and input. Thanks.

dads-freehold · July 2002

greetings, ditto on casey', i agree with nunn the gun frat has room for all, it's like hades it ai'nt half full yet. bless all, gotta check my e-mail respt submitted dads-freehold

rodney colson

Varmintmist · July 2002

Golf is for people with really bad taste in attire to get together and pretent to be involved in a activity.

I golfed some in the service, was the only place that had access to a beer machine at 900 AM, that was the only thing that made it interesting.

You know why all rappers look angry?

They are just mad that they cant sing.

Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.

Lowrider · July 2002

"Tiger Woods is a talented athlete at the most boring game in the world..."

He might be a talented golfer; but athlete??? Nah!
I play golf (poorly) and I enjoy it, I also watch it some on TV, but I can't agree that golfers are athletes. If golfers are athletes then bowlers are athletes, shuffleboard players are athletes, the broom man on the curling team is an athlete, the ladies badminton team are all athletes...

Golf is a hard game to play well, but then, so is chess. Bobby Fisher and Boris Spaski are athletes????? Maybe so.

Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.

thesupermonkey · July 2002

You know what's funny?
Most of the people who don't like rap, have never listened to it and know absolutely nothing about it.
Anyone who has listened to Eminem, Coolio, Dr. Dre, or Snoop can easily recognize the talent it takes to rap(and do it well).
Don't knock it just because you don't understand it.
I've heard plenty of music with racist remarks and most was not rap.
Don't label an entire genre for the lyrics of a few ignorant songwriters. Who cares if an album contains racist comments? No one is going to make you buy it.

Munkey

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

RugerNiner · July 2002

Can a Rapper read Music? Does he even know what a Treble Clef is?

As far as Golf goes, to play well you almost have to be a contortionist. It's not just hitting a ball down the Fairway. Everthing has to work at the same time.
1. Stance
2. Alignment
3. Grip
4. Shoulder turn
5. Tee height
6. Swing arc
7. Wrist snap
8. Club face square
9. Right equipment for persons swing and height
10.Mental attitude

And that's just the Drive.
There's more for Approach shot, Pitch shot, Chip shot and even more important is Putting.

Putting - Being able to read the break in the greens, the speed of the ball, which way the grain of the grass is growing, which type of grass grows towards mountains and which grasses grow towards water.

And the Rules of Golf are the most compicated rules of any SPORT.
There are workout trailers at the Tournaments for the Pros to use.
Ask any doctor how easy it is to hurt yourself playing golf.
I live in Florida and there are Aligators on almost every course, one course has a 12ft Gator. There are also fire ants that get on you when playing the SPORT. Lets not forget the Mosquitoes.

Also Golf is played in Rain and High Winds.

So not only is GOLF a SPORT, but it is a Dangerous SPORT.

Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!

thesupermonkey · July 2002

Rapping is much closer to poetry than singing, but if you want to get technical, yes he has to be able to write and compose his background accompaniment.

Ps. Since when is the ability to compose dependant on one's ability to read or write sheet music?

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

RugerNiner · July 2002

COMPOSE from the dictionary;

b (1) : to formulate and write (a piece of music) (2) : to compose music for

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So your'e telling me Rappers can see a musical note on paper and sing that note.

Background Music?....All I hear is a monotonous repetitious beat.

Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!

JustC · July 2002

I will agree that some rap is non-prejudiced in nature. I however, am not blind to the fact that some IS. That which is, needs to be burned. Anyone, no matter what race, that promotes it, is only adding fuel to a fire which needed extinguishing LONG AGO. When a rapper conveys a message of killing someone based on skin color or the fact they "think", and I use the term loosely, the white man or whoever else is holding them down, they inspire millions of youths to feel the same way. Then the youths, when fueled by peer pressure, alcohol, or a need to impress their friends, acts on his impulses to personify the lyrics, they have been duped into becoming a criminal by someone who just wrote lyrics in order to get some money out of their pockets. They are ultimately the dipsh!t who ends up the loser, while the rapper sits in his house in beverly hills and laughs as he/she spends the money forefitted by the unsuspecting and impressionable youth who was foolish enough to place stock in anything stated on the album. The same goes for rock lyrics as well. I like some rap, rock, and country so let's not start a "you are a racist because you don't like rap" discussion. The fact stands, talented or not, the person who writes these lyrics needs killing themselves. That way, the youth of today have the chance to learn to think for themselves and draw their own, non-tainted opinions of what makes a person a human being.

ccasey, thank you for your well thought out, and intelligent input on a sensitive matter. I think you will find a lot of members opinions to be right in line with yours.

A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.

thesupermonkey · July 2002

Who said Rap was Singing?
A 'monotonous repetious beat'? Doesn't most music fall into that category?

JustC,

"Then the youths, when fueled by peer pressure, alcohol, or a need to impress their friends, acts on his impulses to personify the lyrics, they have been duped into becoming a criminal by someone who just wrote lyrics in order to get some money out of their pockets."

I've never heard such a ignorant pile of bull puckey! That's like blaming guns for crime, or cars for accidents!

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

JustC · July 2002

GUNS AND CARS ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS. People used them incorrectly and the result was a shooting or auto accident. You can not compare objects to actions which encourage PEOPLE to act like animals toward one another. The youth of the nation is encouragable, and therefore when a rapper promotes a lyric encouraging violence based on race/religion, they have tried to influemce the PERSON, not the inanimate object. Don't even try to tell me you didn't try to where the clothes that were in style, and have your appearance in keeping with the trends when you were in high scholl and middle school etc, that is exactly the point. Have you ever gone back and looked at some pictures of what you looked like in some of the completely stupid looking outfits you wore in the 80's? If you have, you know what I am saying, I looked at some and said, "man that was dumb". BUT, AT THE TIME, it was the way to look. Why? was that your personal style? NOPE, you were in keeping with the genre created by the fashion industry. It is exactly the same thing. When you make the young and impressionable, (and let's face it, we all were that way once when we were far younger and way less experienced in the world and REAL lIFE), feel that something rediculous is acceptable, Like promoting violence against another race or religion, you have commited a violation in the way that all people should be taught to act toward one another. I suppose you would be dancing around with the volume on 10 if the song was by a new group called KKK who sang about killing blacks due to the fact that they commit crimes and various other stereo-types, because you liked the beat, right? PEOPLE are responsible for their actions, NOT guns and cars. when you teach others to hate, especially when they are at an age where they are just starting to learn their own identity and place in society, you have stunted their intellectual and societal growth. If you choose to condem another race or religion in it's entirety, because you feel that your life has in some way been damaged by their existence, you are the epitome of racism. It's a copout which has IMHO outlasted it's usefullness. I have held no-one down and I owe no-one anything for the way their life has turned out. All rappers and rock singers who promote violence against other races and religions are the problem, not the answer. artists have a right to spout whatever bullsh!t they wish from their mouth in this country, a right which I support. However, WHAT YOU DO WITH IT, determines who/what you are and your role in society. If that person chooses to spread hate, they have chosen to be a worthless human being. Although they may make lots of money while doing so, money does not change who/what they are, Glorified Racists. This has nothing to do with rap and rap only, it applies to all musicians reguardless of style, as well as authors and actors, teachers and polititions, etc etc etc etc etc............

A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.

Edited by - JustC on 07/09/2002 17:34:11

218Beekeep · July 2002

Hey,JustC...where can I buy that CD?

beemanofalcatraz

thesupermonkey · July 2002

I think I understand now...
They're not gang bangers, they're innocent victims of violent entertainment! They're not skinheads, they're poor misaligned youths who watched too much Gone With the Wind!

Give me a break!

Every person knows right from wrong.

You've also got this whole thing backward. Entertainment doesn't choose the audience; the audience chooses it. If a kid has posters of nazis, skinhead tattoos and a collection of hate music it's because that's what HE wanted.

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

JustC · July 2002

People don't WANT something other than procreation and survival (basic instincts), without a reason or desire resulting from an experience in their lives. Exposure to hate may cause some of the "weaker of the species" to become followers since it has historically been something which empowers those with some hidden flaw or little self respect, or an otherwise fear of the other race/religion. Those who CHOOSE to do so, are members of that group. But I guess without the bottom of the foodchain, there couldn't be a top.

218beekeep, I will post the CD on here if there is one, No-one should be offended because it is secured by our rights, and that makes it entertainment, not racism.

A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.

concealedG36 · July 2002

Hey Monkey,

Ever listen to Tupac's "Me and My Girlfriend"?

Good song, about GUNS!

I just downloaded Eminem's new one, "Without Me", not bad!

I like some rap, I don't like the stuff that rips on women or white people, but not all rap is the same.

Some of you guys sound like geezers saying "that rap/rock n roll stuff will never last, just noise!!"

Gun Control Disarms Victims, NOT Criminals

thesupermonkey · July 2002

JustC,
That is such a COP OUT! You can't blame the entertainment industry for violence! Next you'll be asking us to support more government regulation in the media and sue film makers when the next Columbine happens. The problem with teen violence is not the media, its the parents. Children wouldn't even have access to this type of entertainment if it wasn't for the action/inaction of the parents.

"People don't WANT something other than procreation and survival (basic instincts), without a reason or desire resulting from an experience in their lives."

You see a rape or murder scene on television, but that doesn't stir up your desire to go commit the crime does it? Unless you're already open to the idea, you wouldn't give it a second thought. There comes a time when people have to accept accountability for their actions. YOU do the crime, and YOU should do the time.

Lts,
You're refering to?

Munkey

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

thesupermonkey · July 2002

Ex-qeeze me?
Did I say 'no effect'? No, I don't think I did. Allowing young impressionable children access to excessively violent movies, video games or bad association can 'DESENSITIZE' them to violence. Notice I said 'DESENSITIZE' not 'rewire their correct interpretation of right and wrong'. This is off course, assuming they have been taught right from wrong. If they know right from wrong how can the media be at fault, or if they don't who failed in their responsibility teach them?

It's not the media's responsibility to safeguard your children!
If you're not willing to be accountable, protect your weapon or stow it.
You know what this sounds like?
More P.C. B.S.

P.C. is the result of the lazy, 'its not my job' attitude we have fallen into. We want to watch our favorite shows without ever hearing something we might find offensive. We want to continue eating our 'Cracka Cakes' but demand that the name be changed because it scuffs our sensitivities. We would rather shirk our responsibilities and substitute parental guidance for inoffensive cable programming.

Political Correctness never works because the system cannot bend to the every individual, you just end up with a warped, unjust system that caters to the needs of some and still OFFENDS (GASP!) others.

America used to work fine with a much earlier form of P.C.
Of course way back then it was called PARENTAL CONTROL.

Munkey

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

thesupermonkey · July 2002

I'm talking about kids making life or death decisions and your worried about fashion trends. The older generations have never liked the new clothes, slang or attitudes, that's how it's always been and always will be. It's obvious that entertainment plays a large role in fashion and style, but to blame the media for violence is just plain silly.

Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

JustC · July 2002

Fashion trend???? You mean the dragging * pants? I bet you know where that style came fron don't you? Yep, it is directly representative of a CONVICT. Convicts get no belts to make weapons out of, or hang themselves, that's why it's called "jailin". Why on earth would any self respecting person want to look like a convict if they weren't infatuated with some gang culture. The ones who wore their pants like that because they were in prison for life, probably had a better life inside the gates than on the outside. It's also easier to conceal a pistol in baggy pants.

As for their parents,...well what if mom was selling her * and dad was slinging crack on the corner to pay for their habits? Who's gonna step in and show that kid right from wrong now?

Parents have a hard enough time just teaching the kids everything they need to survive and provide themselves a good life, without having to worry about some ex gangbanging punk who sings about shooting people and screwing all the women he can, because that's his afflicted idea of the good life. Then there are the ones who just sing about it because they know it sells, and have never been to the projects themselves. Rap isn't the problem at all, I listen to SOME. Once they start that kill whitey crap, I toss it out the sunroof.

It's not just the older generations that dislike the slang and attitudes either. I'll bet I don't have 10 yrs on you. Kings english is what we speak, if you can't learn it in school, that's why you will always hold a dead end job, not because whitey or "the man" is holding you down. I use slang, with my friends, not at my job.

entertainment is just that, entertainment. Unfortunately, a large portion of todays youth can't tell the difference because of the glorification awarded to the most publicized racists in the country. AND ONCE AGAIN, I am not categorizing all rappers, just the ones who spout off about killing whitey or another "N" or whatever. And notice I never said to sensor the music, they define themselves by their actions. It is better to let them tell us which ones they are, that way we don't have to guess.

A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.

is this wierd or what

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