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.264 Win Mag?

NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
A Officer I work with has a Remington Model 700 .264 Win Mag 95% condition with a nice Burris scope, sling and 3 boxes of shells. He offered to sale me the gun for $275.00. I really like the ballistics but of course no one has ammo for it at this time. Another Trooper told me the gun was almost obsolete and shells were always hard to find unless you load your own. He said the caliber never really took off to hunters. No one else seems to know much about this gun? Is it one of those thats slowly becoming a dieing cartridge? Can anyone give me advice about this gun, I really like to buy calibers I dont have and this seems like a good deal. I really appreciate any and all advice info.

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Buy it, right now.
  • duckhunterduckhunter Member Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would pay at least double. That is one fine gun.
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 15,576 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 496's advice is good. If you handload You could do alot with it. Pretty sure you can still find factory loads for it tho.
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    I may have a few rounds of brass laying around.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nighthawk,

    Look at it this way, you can't find just the Remington M700 action alone for $275.00 anywhere. For the same price, you're getting the barrel, bottom metal, stock, trigger, scope, sling and ammunition! I too suggest that you buy it and be happy with your bargain.

    As to the ammunition, you can reload or trade product/services with someone who will reload for you. The .264 Win. Mag. is an excellent cartridge in its own right. The influx of newer cartridges, powders and bullets have pushed it to the rear and out of the realm of the public interest. Like all cyclical things, it too will return when the pendulum swings back again.

    Best.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Buy it NOW!

    Ammo is available. The 264 Westerner is as flat shooting a rifle as you can find. The speed is rough on barrels so if you handload consider taming it down a bit for varmints. For Deer and elk, let 'er rip.

    Oh yea, the muzzle blast will knock hats off spectators within 30 yards.[:D]

    Clouder..
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have the 264 Win Mag in Winchester. I love it.

    You can find the brass. I would buy it immediately.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

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  • casper65casper65 Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The .264 is a fast cartridge and is sometimes referred to as a barrel burner. It has lost its popularity but still a good caliber
  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    From time to time I purchase 700 actions for my friend Kenny Jarrett. He builds rifles for a living and built his business around that action. Even tho he makes his own actions now he still builds a few 700s. Rarely am I able to find a good pre "E" 700 action for less than $400. Magnums go for about $50 more. The 264 is a great cartridge. It just has had a rough life trying to compete against 7mm REM Mag and the 270Win. Buy it[^]
  • casper65casper65 Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The reason the .270 has been so popular other than it is a great flat shooting round is that Jack O,Conner hunted with it all over the world
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good gun and good round. It's a shame it never caught on, but it doesn't do anything the 7mm Rem Mag can't, which may be one reason. Also, .264 caliber bullets and rounds never really got popular in the US until recently with the quest for long range accuracy and their potential was realized.

    Ammo can be hard to come by, but if you reload, brass is available, as are a good selection of bullets from all the makers.

    It can be a little tough on barrels, just like all high intensity chamberings, but adequate barrel cooling and cleaning will remedy most of that.
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks guys, I really appreciate your advice, hopefully it will be in my safe tomorrow. And I will began another stressful big ammo hunt.
  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    Nighthawk-264 ammo is out there.Midways got it. Cabela and Grafs too.
    I used www.ammoengine.com
    to find it. Lots easier to find 264 than the common calibers--At least right now.[;)]

    You made a great choice. I think we will be seeing lots more interest on the not so popular calibers in the future. This will be driven strictly by the availability of ammo . I see smart gunshop owners stashing a little ammo for each weapon they have on the shelf. The first words from each new sale will most likely be is."got any AMMO for it?"
  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,038 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't see anything in the original post about hording guns.
    A little history on the 264 Winchester mag, I've owned one for years and love it, read what Graig Boddington says about it. The 264 was introduced in 1959, three years befor the 7mm Rem mag, and four years befor the 300 Win mag. Two things, in my opinion contributed to the 264s never realy becoming popular, they need a 26" barrel to live up to thier potential, and back in the day there wasn't a good selection of good 6.5mm (264) bullets available. Another contributing factor is short barrel life, especialy if they where overheated. The 264 when using 140gr bullets has one of the best coefficients of any magnum round, belted or not. It is a flat shooting hard hitting round, especialy with todays bullets.
    For what it's worth.
    W.D.
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 15,576 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BC wasnt a big factor back in those days, today Amax bullets are 30% or 40% longer then back in the day when boat tail soft points where considered cutting edge for most people.
  • ATHOMSONATHOMSON Member Posts: 3,399 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You should definitely buy that firearm as soon as possible. By the way; you are a thief.[:p] In a good way of course.

    AT
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As others have said, jump in the middle of that one.

    .264 is an outstanding cartridge that truly shines, even with less than max loads.

    I don't know whether or not Delstar still does the Blackstar barrel treatment. If they still do it's money well spent on something like the .264 Win Mag.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    YOU MUST BUY IT RIGHT NOW!!

    Remington has reintroduced the 264win mag intheir sendero's a year or two ago,.which means they will no doubt be offereing ammo.

    If you handload, you can neck down 7mm mag brass.
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by thermonuclear


    You have a $500 9mm pistol, you better have $1000 worth of ammo.

    Gee, nowadays, whats that, about 50 rounds?
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    If you handload, you can neck down 7mm mag brass.


    Fraid not, the shoulder is to far back on the 7mm mag. The 300 Win Mag is iffy also since the body diameter just below the shoulder isn't big enough. You can often get case collapse between the bottom of the shoulder and where the body diameter reaches .491"

    According to RCBS the 300H&H is the best case for reforming.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    If you handload, you can neck down 7mm mag brass.


    Fraid not, the shoulder is to far back on the 7mm mag. The 300 Win Mag is iffy also since the body diameter just below the shoulder isn't big enough. You can often get case collapse between the bottom of the shoulder and where the body diameter reaches .491"

    According to RCBS the 300H&H is the best case for reforming.


    it's called a false shoulder, and it will form just fine.[;)]
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:it's called a false shoulder, and it will form just fine.[;)]


    The H&H brass I presume?

    I have yet to use the RCBS case forming die set so I'm not that familiar with case forming.

    Still have about twenty pounds of virgin Win 264 brass as well as 200 rounds of factory cartridges to go, once I deplete the 150 cases I'm using now.

    Love my .264 Prairie dogs hate it though.
  • Sav99Sav99 Member Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would buy it. I too collect by different calibers.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
    quote:it's called a false shoulder, and it will form just fine.[;)]


    The H&H brass I presume?

    I have yet to use the RCBS case forming die set so I'm not that familiar with case forming.

    Still have about twenty pounds of virgin Win 264 brass as well as 200 rounds of factory cartridges to go, once I deplete the 150 cases I'm using now.

    Love my .264 Prairie dogs hate it though.


    no use the 7mm mag brass. It is the same theory as fireforming ackley improved brass when blowing out the body taper. Because the shoulder is further back,..you create a "false shoulder" via the neck (size down only a portion of the neck and leave the rest unsized) when entered into the chamber, that fatter part of the neck makes contact as if the shoulder were actually doing it. This holds it in place not allowing it to move fwd upon firing pin strike, and therefore when ignition takes place, the case body blows out to meet the chamber, and the "new" case has been formed. A lot of guys with 264wins have been doing this since they were all but discontinued and brass was scarce and expensive.

    Look up fireforming a Gibbs cartridge from the parent cartridge,..an explanation of false shoulder should be in the description.

    then again, I havn't looked at an H&H case, so that may be an option as well. However, I think remington should have it in production since they have chambered some sendero's in that chambering recently.
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