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quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
I suppose that you were totally unaware that you might be required to be involved in a combat situation when you voluntarily joined?
We're all free to make choices as we see fit.
You chose not to join, so Remington chose to place you at the end of the line.
They SHOULD make all the rifles- complete and original- available to the CMP, or nothing. The article should read, "Army giving some parts of old M-24 rifles to Remington to allow them to make new rifles with a few USED PARTS and pawn them off as 'new.' "
Rem700 action $350
Jewell trigger $275
Kreiger 5r barrel (installed) $550
HS Precision stock $250
Badger Ordnance rings and base $250
Leupold MK IV M3, $850
Bedding $50
$2575 total, and garanteed to be more accurate than a military rifle because the parts are of higher quality than an M24, and a benchrest quality gunsmith can be hired to do the work.
what a rip-off[V] but then again P.T. Barnum said it best.......
quote:Originally posted by JustC
a more accurate rifle can be built for far less.
Rem700 action $350
Jewell trigger $275
Kreiger 5r barrel (installed) $550
HS Precision stock $250
Badger Ordnance rings and base $250
Leupold MK IV M3, $850
Bedding $50
$2575 total, and garanteed to be more accurate than a military rifle because the parts are of higher quality than an M24, and a benchrest quality gunsmith can be hired to do the work.
what a rip-off[V] but then again P.T. Barnum said it best.......
I think the market Remington is shooting for (pun intended [8D]) isn't looking for the most accurate rifle at the cheapest cost. You can build a cheaper rifle but it isn't a M-24. You can buy a new Glock cheaper than you can an old WWII 1911 but I know which one I'd rather have. [;)]
It's not a collector-grade M-24 if it's had a new barreled action and trigger group dropped into it; shooter value only.
Looks like a scam to me.
I have a 03A3 that will do everything those rifles will do at 1/3 the price, and it will soon be celebrating its 70th birthday, with the added plus that it IS a collector piece.
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
It's not a collector-grade M-24 if it's had a new barreled action and trigger group dropped into it; shooter value only.
Looks like a scam to me.
I have a 03A3 that will do everything those rifles will do at 1/3 the price, and it will soon be celebrating its 70th birthday, with the added plus that it IS a collector piece.
Depends on what you consider a "collectors piece". I guarantee that the day after they hit the market there is one for sale here on GB that will end up selling for more than the $3,500 purchase price. Especially since "rare" will be in the description. [;)]
The Ares Shrikes (belt fed upper for an AR) sold for around $2,500 before the production crapped out. They are hard to come by. I saw one on the auction side the other day for 10K.
Collector value is determined by a piece's original configuration and condition. Refinishing and/or replacement of original components have a negative effect on value.
I might have misread the details about the program, however, I am of the impression that the rifle will be made up of M-24 parts that have been previously manufactured for the subject rifle. And, while more accurate guns could be built for less money, the collector value of this particular rifle on down the road a piece, say, ten to twenty years, should be far greater than a gun put together by a gunsmith, most especially, if provenance can be had from the factory to a certified military sniper.
Well I'm a shooter not a collector so I won't be buying one. All I can say is that I am positive that all 2000 will sell and that of those that end up on GB they will most likely fetch more than the $3,500 whether or not they are true collector pieces.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
I might have misread the details about the program, however, I am of the impression that the rifle will be made up of M-24 parts that have been previously manufactured for the subject rifle. And, while more accurate guns could be built for less money, the collector value of this particular rifle on down the road a piece, say, ten to twenty years, should be far greater than a gun put together by a gunsmith, most especially, if provenance can be had from the factory to a certified military sniper.
and therein lies the problem. These will be same as an issued M1 from WWII that was assembled after cleaning, from a 50 gallon drum of cleaner, with none of the parts matching. I.E. no value to a collector, who wants a parts matching M1 garand. Unless they can provide documentation that that rifle is AS ISSUED with all the parts it was issued with.
quote:Originally posted by JustC
quote:Originally posted by kimi
I might have misread the details about the program, however, I am of the impression that the rifle will be made up of M-24 parts that have been previously manufactured for the subject rifle. And, while more accurate guns could be built for less money, the collector value of this particular rifle on down the road a piece, say, ten to twenty years, should be far greater than a gun put together by a gunsmith, most especially, if provenance can be had from the factory to a certified military sniper.
and therein lies the problem. These will be same as an issued M1 from WWII that was assembled after cleaning, from a 50 gallon drum of cleaner, with none of the parts matching. I.E. no value to a collector, who wants a parts matching M1 garand. Unless they can provide documentation that that rifle is AS ISSUED with all the parts it was issued with.
You might be right, but there will be some differences as well. In reality, all either one of us can do is offer up an intelligent guess.
quote:Originally posted by jev1969
Well I'm a shooter not a collector so I won't be buying one. All I can say is that I am positive that all 2000 will sell and that of those that end up on GB they will most likely fetch more than the $3,500 whether or not they are true collector pieces.
You're smart, then. You can acquire a shooter that's as good or better for a lot less money.
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quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
I suppose that you were totally unaware that you might be required to be involved in a combat situation when you voluntarily joined?
We're all free to make choices as we see fit.
You chose not to join, so Remington chose to place you at the end of the line.
Ask Nunn to define 'fair'. [:D]
Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to. [;)]
Rem700 action $350
Jewell trigger $275
Kreiger 5r barrel (installed) $550
HS Precision stock $250
Badger Ordnance rings and base $250
Leupold MK IV M3, $850
Bedding $50
$2575 total, and garanteed to be more accurate than a military rifle because the parts are of higher quality than an M24, and a benchrest quality gunsmith can be hired to do the work.
what a rip-off[V] but then again P.T. Barnum said it best.......
a more accurate rifle can be built for far less.
Rem700 action $350
Jewell trigger $275
Kreiger 5r barrel (installed) $550
HS Precision stock $250
Badger Ordnance rings and base $250
Leupold MK IV M3, $850
Bedding $50
$2575 total, and garanteed to be more accurate than a military rifle because the parts are of higher quality than an M24, and a benchrest quality gunsmith can be hired to do the work.
what a rip-off[V] but then again P.T. Barnum said it best.......
I think the market Remington is shooting for (pun intended [8D]) isn't looking for the most accurate rifle at the cheapest cost. You can build a cheaper rifle but it isn't a M-24. You can buy a new Glock cheaper than you can an old WWII 1911 but I know which one I'd rather have. [;)]
Looks like a scam to me.
I have a 03A3 that will do everything those rifles will do at 1/3 the price, and it will soon be celebrating its 70th birthday, with the added plus that it IS a collector piece.
It's not a collector-grade M-24 if it's had a new barreled action and trigger group dropped into it; shooter value only.
Looks like a scam to me.
I have a 03A3 that will do everything those rifles will do at 1/3 the price, and it will soon be celebrating its 70th birthday, with the added plus that it IS a collector piece.
Depends on what you consider a "collectors piece". I guarantee that the day after they hit the market there is one for sale here on GB that will end up selling for more than the $3,500 purchase price. Especially since "rare" will be in the description. [;)]
The Ares Shrikes (belt fed upper for an AR) sold for around $2,500 before the production crapped out. They are hard to come by. I saw one on the auction side the other day for 10K.
I might have misread the details about the program, however, I am of the impression that the rifle will be made up of M-24 parts that have been previously manufactured for the subject rifle. And, while more accurate guns could be built for less money, the collector value of this particular rifle on down the road a piece, say, ten to twenty years, should be far greater than a gun put together by a gunsmith, most especially, if provenance can be had from the factory to a certified military sniper.
and therein lies the problem. These will be same as an issued M1 from WWII that was assembled after cleaning, from a 50 gallon drum of cleaner, with none of the parts matching. I.E. no value to a collector, who wants a parts matching M1 garand. Unless they can provide documentation that that rifle is AS ISSUED with all the parts it was issued with.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
I might have misread the details about the program, however, I am of the impression that the rifle will be made up of M-24 parts that have been previously manufactured for the subject rifle. And, while more accurate guns could be built for less money, the collector value of this particular rifle on down the road a piece, say, ten to twenty years, should be far greater than a gun put together by a gunsmith, most especially, if provenance can be had from the factory to a certified military sniper.
and therein lies the problem. These will be same as an issued M1 from WWII that was assembled after cleaning, from a 50 gallon drum of cleaner, with none of the parts matching. I.E. no value to a collector, who wants a parts matching M1 garand. Unless they can provide documentation that that rifle is AS ISSUED with all the parts it was issued with.
You might be right, but there will be some differences as well. In reality, all either one of us can do is offer up an intelligent guess.
Well I'm a shooter not a collector so I won't be buying one. All I can say is that I am positive that all 2000 will sell and that of those that end up on GB they will most likely fetch more than the $3,500 whether or not they are true collector pieces.
You're smart, then. You can acquire a shooter that's as good or better for a lot less money.