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I've been getting some gun owners upset on another board
I have but one thing to say about the kind of thinking that some restrictions on guns are okay and others are not. Fooey. With the obvious exceptions of criminals and the criminally insane, if we are going to stick together to keep our gun rights, we have to stand for the sum total of our needs, not just the preferences of one community of gun owners or another. I don't hunt, but I'll stand with the hunters on their issues, so long as they'll stand with me on my citizen-as-militia-member issue. My cousin hunts up a storm every season; I prefer to acquire guns for reliable personal and home defense. Divide and conquer, boys and girls. And I'll give you the other painfully obvious cliche. If we don't hang together, we'll hang separately. You hunters can lose your MOA "sniper" rifles just as fast as I'll lose my semi-auto with the interchangeable magazines. Any gun of sufficient caliber to kill a deer can kill a man. Hunters, think about that. What makes a sniper rifle? A scope? What if it's just a scope? Oswald's Mannlicher was just a junk surplus bolt action with a scope. They had to shim it to get it to shoot straight enough for the tests. If we're talking assassinations, a Carcano or a Mauser could easily qualify. What if it's a scope and a caliber? What's YOUR favorite caliber? Is it safe?This, to me, is a serious issue because I'm sure there are a lot of my fellow NRA members who are all for the hunting rights but see those of us concerned about defensive or military applications as some sort of radical group. The Clintonites were counting on that division. Yet, as my signature says, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with protecting a freedom to hunt animals. After they get the big, mean looking .50 caliber single shots, what's to stop them from redefining the text of a vaguely written law to include slug guns? After all, criminals can more easily afford a sabot gun than a Barrett.... If you think this is a stretch, take another look at the opening scenes of Hollywood's movie ALIEN NATION. A crook with a shotgun loaded with "deadly hi-powered BRI Sabots" shoots a cop dead by shooting through-and-through a police cruiser with a series of the BRI rounds. Hmmmmm.....Anyone heard of the slippery slope? The nose of the camel?
"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
Yea, and it's a dernd good one!spanky/bertoHiya Ryan!
What! Trade my M-14 for that plastic piece of ___t!Endeavor to Persevere[This message has been edited by berto64 (edited 02-05-2002).]
Nowhere do I see the word intent. Do gun laws stop criminals, or even slow them down?Is anyone out there dumb enough to think theanti-gunners gives two hoots in hell about stopping crime. There is one strong possibility that the criminal element is their strongests contributors. who stands to gain from more gun laws to restrict more honest gun owners, most certainly the crooks and their duely appointed semi-legal point men. you can not write enough gun laws to wipe away the 40 some odd years mis-teachings of our precious children. Look around you, the world is for the most part filled with un-parented television orphans.
Nowhere do I see the word intent. Do gun laws stop criminals, or even slow them down?Is anyone out there dumb enough to think theanti-gunners gives two hoots in hell about stopping crime. There is one strong possibility that the criminal element is their strongests contributors. who stands to gain from more gun laws to restrict more honest gun owners, most certainly the crooks and their duely appointed semi-legal point men. you can not write enough gun laws to wipe away the 40 some odd years mis-teachings of our precious children. Look around you, the world is for the most part filled with un-parented television orphans.
Dano --Precisely my point. Hollywood creates misperceptions about guns every day, but it's the perceptions that DO matter, because they go to the mass audience and determine what the grass roots believe to be true. In Die Hard II, Bruce Willis describes the crooks in the baggage area as carrying "porcelain Glock 7s." Where was the "gun wrangler" when that slipped through? Anyway, take a look at the first 5 minutes of ALIEN NATION some time and see what perception was created about shotgun slugs. A lot of people subsequently believe, if only subconsciously, that sabots are essentially armor-piercing cop killers. I have no higher opinion of Hollywood's expertise about guns than you. But they have such a big bullhorn, that's why they worry me at times. Not to mention that so many writers, except for John Milius, are liberals. We could do a whole board just on Hollywood's stupid scenes with all kinds of guns in movies, including movies with expert advisors who should know better. How do I know? I worked in the studio system for 20 years. For one thing, I once provided 75 pages of accurate gun-related information to Dan Petrie Jr. before he made the very disappointing TOY SOLDIERS. Never got a thank you and have no idea if it positively impacted the his writing accuracy. For another thing, I worked with the writers of RoboCop for several years, and hung out with a couple gun wranglers, also visited the largest prop rental house in town. With the exception of the real gun enthusiasts, the town was full of misinformation. Which of course gets spread every time a new movie comes out. Remember the gun/surplus store owner in FALLING DOWN? That's the way they like to portray dealers. Either indifferent to who's buying or, worse, nuts. I once tried to talk a writer out of representing a gun store owner as crazy and irresponsible, and he was irritated and shocked that I would intrude upon his artistic vision, or should I say his version of the "truth." Just because I talk about my experience in Horrorwood doesn't mean I'm the enemy. I was an NRA member then, too, and a gun buyer at the same store that provided the AR15s to the cops when that famous bank robbery went down with the two guys in body armor. They've got some great gun stores out there.
"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
Offeror, What you really mean to say is, if I am correct, is that the general public are a bunch of morons and will believe most anything that is on the TV or the big screen as they have lost touch with reality so badly they can not think for themselves unless they first get the idea put there through another form of media? If that is not what you meant, I personally believe that to be the case, and would support that idea. Ya know? DUDE, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? THAT WAS LIKE, A REALLY AWESOME, BIG BIG GUN, AND IT WAS LIKE, WAY COOL!! I wish I could get one like that!
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
offeror, that was an interesting suggestion about a thread with all the stupid gun scenes on TV and in movies. My favorites are the ones that violate the fundamental laws of physics because that's my biz. I love it when a 100 lb woman fires a gun at a 250 lb guy and the bullet literally lifts the guy off the ground and throws him backwards out a window, while the woman stands there like she just fired a BB gun.
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"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
What! Trade my M-14 for that plastic piece of ___t!Endeavor to Persevere[This message has been edited by berto64 (edited 02-05-2002).]
"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC