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Dog shelters

CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
edited December 2016 in General Discussion
Have you ever tried to "adapt" a homeless dog. The application is insane. OK I'll pay an "adoption fee" but no I will not pay an "application fee" with a vet background check. Any moron can buy a puppy. These people need to realize that's the competition. No, adding frivolous hurdles doesn't make the dog better. All it means is the people behind these shelters are control freaks who get their rocks off on making people bend backward, plead and beg for a year and a half old dog. Adding a bunch of BS doesn't mean you will love the dog or give it a good home. It doesn't mean you're shelter is "selective" or "discriminating". It a poor marketing gimmick. People don't enjoy wasting their time stroking some hippies ego.

These people are nut jobs who need to do society a favor and getting spayed and neutered themselves.

"What is bloat and how do you treat it?" who gets a dog bloated? Is it anything like floundering a cow? I wonder how many people respond "feed it some rolaids".

The application is insane. Maddening.

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  • medic07medic07 Member Posts: 5,222 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understand exactly what you mean.

    We had an adoption day recently here and went to see what they had that might need a home.

    Application Fee
    Adoption Fee
    Wanted to inspect my dwelling
    Wanted to meet with my wife (who lives in another state as I am working here in Texas) to ensure she was in agreement with adoption

    The application form was about 7 pages long and asked a crap load of questions that I basically felt they had no need to know information about.

    Told them that I felt sorry for the dogs as no one had the time or inclination to subject themselves to all of this crap. I will keep my eyes open for a farmer/rancher who has a good mannered pup to sell.
  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    we have one currently we picked up a couple months ago and one that passed back in the spring ( we had her 10 years and miss her greatly ) the local shelter the dogs are "fixed " micro chipped and shots up to date , they watch you interact with the dog / cat while at the shelter ask a few questions . and I think we signed a form to allow a follow up
    which I doubt they ever did a home visit to check on any one .
    I have heard some places its like trying to adopt a kid if not worse.

    the shelter went under it had way too much debt from the previous management passed on they could just never get out of debt [:(]
    Macie our recent rescue was suppose to have been spayed , we found out she was not as she came into heat a few weeks after the shelter closed so we had to have it done our vet told us it was not uncommon coming from the shelter they had others the same condition but as they were closed no way to recover the cost [:(!][:(!]
    regardless to save rescue a new buddy was worth the efforts
    she is pulling on my arm as I am typing wanting to play [:D]
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    Yup. Why would people go through all the paper work and spend a couple hundred bucks on a dog of unknown character when they can get a trainable puppy at the pet store for $50 or $75.
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My sister is the poster girl of trying to rescue dogs. Holy Crap. She is one for 6 and the one good dog got out of the gate and was stolen. The other 5 either were so stupid they shoved their face into a fire ant mound (Willy), clawed their way out of the room they were in through a hollow core door and got eaten by the boyfriends Python (larry). Honey dug her way under a fence and got hit by a car. Glory was a hell of a good dog but got the cancer when she was about 4 . I don't remember what happened to the Teacup Chihuahua (Fenton) and the Great Dane whose name escapes me at the moment. Her current dog has more separation anxiety than the maximum paxil dose can handle. It has eaten its way out of 5 welded steel cages when left alone. HOLY COW....

    If you like drama get a rescue dog. Otherwise find a breed you like and then find a good breeder. Wipe hands on pants and repeat....
  • AzAfshinAzAfshin Member Posts: 2,985 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    My sister is the poster girl of trying to rescue dogs. Holy Crap. She is one for 6 and the one good dog got out of the gate and was stolen. The other 5 either were so stupid they shoved their face into a fire ant mound (Willy), clawed their way out of the room they were in through a hollow core door and got eaten by the boyfriends Python (larry). Honey dug her way under a fence and got hit by a car. Glory was a hell of a good dog but got the cancer when she was about 4 . I don't remember what happened to the Teacup Chihuahua (Fenton) and the Great Dane whose name escapes me at the moment. Her current dog has more separation anxiety than the maximum paxil dose can handle. It has eaten its way out of 5 welded steel cages when left alone. HOLY COW....

    If you like drama get a rescue dog. Otherwise find a breed you like and then find a good breeder. Wipe hands on pants and repeat....



    Our dog is a rescue and Paxil didn't do anything for her separation anxiety either. We had to adjust our lifestyle to hers and I would do it again in a heartbeat. These dogs need a family too. Not everyone can handle their issues, but if you can, the devotion that you get in return is worth a 1000 times the sacrifices you make.
  • Henry0ReillyHenry0Reilly Member Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My g/f worked in animal shelters for much of her life. When I met her she had 8 dogs and 2 cats. We adopted most of the dogs out (one had to be put down) leaving 2 small dogs and my 100# mutt. She can't get out of the habit of going to the rescue. She's captured and neutered 3 feral felines, we got a $40 adoption fee from one kitten but one is 6 months old and I think we're stuck with him as an indoor cat.

    The shelter she most recently worked at is awful about making people jump through hoops to adopt.

    We're hoping to sell both of our houses in town and buy a country home with a barn and trying to run a small rescue operation.
    I used to recruit for the NRA until they sold us down the river (again!) in Heller v. DC. See my auctions (if any) under username henryreilly
  • Sig220_Ruger77Sig220_Ruger77 Member Posts: 12,754 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
    My g/f worked in animal shelters for much of her life. When I met her she had 8 dogs and 2 cats. We adopted most of the dogs out (one had to be put down) leaving 2 small dogs and my 100# mutt. She can't get out of the habit of going to the rescue. She's captured and neutered 3 feral felines, we got a $40 adoption fee from one kitten but one is 6 months old and I think we're stuck with him as an indoor cat.

    The shelter she most recently worked at is awful about making people jump through hoops to adopt.

    We're hoping to sell both of our houses in town and buy a country home with a barn and trying to run a small rescue operation.


    That would be pretty neat Henry!

    Jon
  • discusdaddiscusdad Member Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    my lab is a rescue and it took 7 years for him to grow out of the puppy mentality[:D][:D] but that is labs anyways. i'm looking for another-a senior dog 7+ years old can be most any breed and we all can get fat and cranky in our old age.[:)][:)] most shelters are very lenient on senior rescues.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We have participated in a couple dog rescue organizations for many years (more my wife than I). Some of them can be quite militant in their efforts to protect these animals. From an outside looking in I cam appreciate your reaction, but what they are attempting to do is gauge the seriousness of the adopter. Their goal is not to just find a home for every dog, it is to insure they find their forever home, and that the adopter has spent time and effort understanding the commitment they are making. Many of those that just get a dog at a pet shop or off {elsewhere} are the same ones that dump them or leave them at the SPCA months or years later.

    When we do adoption events we could adopt out every dog we have in half a day, but we do not allow on site adoptions. We make them take an application, and do vet checks and I bet maybe 1 in 10 actually follow through because they were only impulsively wanting the dog. It does us no good to adopt a dog out so that they can bring it back a couple days later with buyers remorse and say it's not working out.

    I've lost a German Shepherd (source of my handle Shiloh) to bloat AKA Gastric Torsion...it was a very sad event.
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Every question on that form has a reason. Just work in a rescue or shelter for one month and you'll know why. You do your part, we'll do ours, and hopefully at the end of it, you'll have a buddy for the rest of his life.
  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,702 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My boy Milo was a rescue and yes there was some paperwork and a fee of about $250. To top it off he was dying of heart worms, had ear infections and badly needed someone to love him.

    It was the best money we ever spent and he is worth a thousand times what we had to spend. I've had a ton of dogs over my life time and never had one as loving, as tolerant, as loyal or as thankful as Milo.

    Rescue dogs know that you have given them a chance for a loving, respectful forever home. Milo was two when we got him four years ago, we went through the heart worm treatment (nearly a year) and he is now a well adjusted happy guy living on the golf course and getting fat along with the rest of us.

    Anyone looking for a dog, PLEASE look into a rescue dog, they need a chance for a decent life and they will know what you have done for them and will reward you with a lifetime of loyalty and love.

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    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    when they can get a trainable puppy at the pet store for $50 or $75.


    Never, and I mean NEVER buy a pup from a pet store unless you know the owner personaly and know Where their pets come from. Most puppies sold in pet stores come from puppy mills.

    http://tinyurl.com/hrdya9q

    Though not all are that horrendous, there are some that are even worse.

    USDA regulates commercial breeders. Just their minimum cage size requirements is appalling. L=the length of the standing dog. W=the length of the standing dog. H=high enough for the dog to stand erect. And then there are the unlicensed mills with whatever cramped conditions they see fit to provide.

    My boy Merlin was a puppy mill rescue. They had a pen that was 20'x20' with over thirty weaned pups and two bitches still suckling litters. The ground was mostly dog poop and mud over just ankle deep. There were only two dog houses in the pen and No overhead cover. No straw, no cedar chip, just 6" +- of dog poop and mud for them to walk in, lay in and eat in.




    I'm gonna' stop there. The poop pisses me off to no end.
  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "My boy Milo was a rescue and yes there was some paperwork and a fee of about $250. To top it off he was dying of heart worms, had ear infections and badly needed someone to love him."
    The big question is: Why did the shelter even offer a dog infected with heartworm?
    I've never had a "shelter dog" although I did take a couple of "give away dogs"(and neither of them turned out well). My current "barn dogs" came from a relative from an unintended litter of "mixed heritage". They do a job and I take care of them. One still has some "issues" that are not likely to go away since she's now 2 years old. I can't imagine trying to overcome some of the "issues" with truly abused dogs.
  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,702 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mobuck

    The big question is: Why did the shelter even offer a dog infected with heartworm?






    The rescue group that we got Milo from did not know that he had heart worms (we all found out together at the Vets office) and they almost quashed the adoption because of it. It was our decision to proceed with the adoption and stand by him through his treatment. The treatment is a heart breaking thing to see, they suffer so much through it but it bonded us as a family and we never had one second of regret.
    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
  • Blade SlingerBlade Slinger Member Posts: 5,891
    edited November -1
    Never raise another puppy never! Our Shepard is a rescue and is the best dog we have ever had, and we have had our share. I think she cost us about 100 dollars total, filled out paperwork and we were off. Two days later the volunteers for animals personal dropped by to see if all conditions on application were true. Great dog and great people to work with.
  • Tech141Tech141 Member Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am in the market for a 'new' dog. Have been perusing the animal shelter websites as well as private ads. When I look at the adoption requirements from the shelters I get a tad frustrated. Some shelters say you can only live in certain areas/countys. That's silly, imo, as if you are a better potential pet owner because you live in St Clair county as opposed to Phelps County.

    Home Inspection??? NOT going to happen. I do NOT know the person/people coming over to "Inspect" my property. How do I know they won't be casing my place in preparation for an unauthorized visit when I am at work?

    Heck - I didn't even let my mortgage company send someone over for an "Insurance check" until they sent an official notice on company letterhead announcing the visit, including the ID info of the 'inspector' with a picture.

    They ask for too much, IMO. Sometimes it seems they really DON'T want to adopt out the critters......
  • Aztngundoc22Aztngundoc22 Member Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK :

    Ive had several 'rescue' dogs ( & cats ) : Have four (4) dogs and a cat now !!!

    Great !!!

    Bullshot : good looking dog ! looks almost like my "Flash" !!!!!

    I would Never jump thru crazy hoops @ a shelter , its Not that bad here !!!

    Thanks !!!
    The more people I meet : The more I like my Dog :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


    I Grew Old Too Fast (And Smart Too damn Slow !!!) !!! :o :?
  • Aztngundoc22Aztngundoc22 Member Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And :

    Whats "adapt" ????

    Thanks !!!
    The more people I meet : The more I like my Dog :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


    I Grew Old Too Fast (And Smart Too damn Slow !!!) !!! :o :?
  • Blade SlingerBlade Slinger Member Posts: 5,891
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Tech141
    Just to clear the air, I told them I had back yard for exercise and they did the check from the street.Pretty much they didn't want to see her chained outside side or in a pen (part of deal) I signed). I am with you nobody comes cowling around in my poop either.


    I am in the market for a 'new' dog. Have been perusing the animal shelter websites as well as private ads. When I look at the adoption requirements from the shelters I get a tad frustrated. Some shelters say you can only live in certain areas/countys. That's silly, imo, as if you are a better potential pet owner because you live in St Clair county as opposed to Phelps County.

    Home Inspection??? NOT going to happen. I do NOT know the person/people coming over to "Inspect" my property. How do I know they won't be casing my place in preparation for an unauthorized visit when I am at work?

    Heck - I didn't even let my mortgage company send someone over for an "Insurance check" until they sent an official notice on company letterhead announcing the visit, including the ID info of the 'inspector' with a picture.

    They ask for too much, IMO. Sometimes it seems they really DON'T want to adopt out the critters......
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,234 ******
    edited November -1
    "... and got eaten by the boyfriends Python..."
    Seriously?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow...Ive adopted two dogs. Both Lab/mutt puppies. Paid an adoption fee for each which covered shots and tags and a months heartworm treatment. That was it.

    Went to Alabama for the first one and Oklahoma for the other. Both good family dogs.
  • rossowmnrossowmn Member Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Best dog (well, tied for best) I ever had was a rescue. She was an estimated 6 years old and cost me a $90 fee. She was about 85 pounds, Lab and who knows what else. The rural rescue group had acquired her as a stray. I never had a dog that was more loyal and affectionate. Sadly, after several years she developed bad arthritis, couldn't stand up quickly and got a broken pelvis when my wife backed into her outside the garage. I had to have her put down. I still grieve.
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    My sister is the poster girl of trying to rescue dogs. Holy Crap. She is one for 6 and the one good dog got out of the gate and was stolen. The other 5 either were so stupid they shoved their face into a fire ant mound (Willy), clawed their way out of the room they were in through a hollow core door and got eaten by the boyfriends Python (larry). Honey dug her way under a fence and got hit by a car. Glory was a hell of a good dog but got the cancer when she was about 4 . I don't remember what happened to the Teacup Chihuahua (Fenton) and the Great Dane whose name escapes me at the moment. Her current dog has more separation anxiety than the maximum paxil dose can handle. It has eaten its way out of 5 welded steel cages when left alone. HOLY COW....

    If you like drama get a rescue dog. Otherwise find a breed you like and then find a good breeder. Wipe hands on pants and repeat....


    I actually hate to say it Capt'n... But you're absolutely right.
    By the time a shelter has rescued a dog, the damages have been done.

    VERY FEW times does a shelter dog not have 'something' wrong that requires excessive time by the owner..

    I loved my dachshund, Bea-Jay... Had him since he was a pup.
    And, I could leave the house without worry, have someone come in without fear, take him with me without concern...
    He was a damn fine dog! But he had his own issues. Issues I could handle on my own.

    My daughter has a rescue dog who has exhibited sever separation anxiety amongst MANY other things.
    My daughter has to have us intervene often enough that I wonder 'WHY' go to all this trouble.
    My daughter loves her dog, but he's more than she can handle alone. [:(]
  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,770 ******
    edited November -1
    I just have to give all here who have taken in pets from shelters a pat on the back.

    Captfun, your sister sounds like a clone to mine! I have traveled with her and watched one time when she stopped her car along a very busy highway to help a mother duck and her brood of little ducklettes cross the road. She came pretty close to self sacrifice in doing so!

    Several years ago she asked me and my wife to watch her dog "Baily" for a weekend while her and her husband went on a business trip.

    Baily was a rescue mutt of various breeds and of medium size about 50-60 lbs. or so.

    Long story short, we left Baily in our house and did a quick run to the grocery store. Gone less than 45 minutes. Coming home we saw a dog running down the road that looked just like Baily?!

    Well heck, he only took out all of our windows in the living room, slamming into each one just hard enough to crack and ruin the inner glass until he found the one that completely gave way to the great outdoors! Sister failed to tell us to never leave the dog alone[:(!]
  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    I would love to have another fuzzy critter floating around the estate, but the IDIOTS in County goobermint decided that they would legislate animal care specifics, because "people" are too stupid to feed & care for animals.
    We now have the HEART Ordinance, which spells out EXACTLY what pet owners SHALL do to maintain their critters, under threat of fines & incarceration.
    Owners SHALL clean their pet's water bowl (stainless steel, shallow lip, at least 3 quart capacity) every day with an "approved" cleaner, replacing water every 6 hours.
    Animals SHALL not be placed on a chain, trolley or in a pen for more than 1 hour per day.
    Semi-annual Vet visits SHALL be provided & paid for by the owner.
    Sturdy, insulated, weatherproof structures SHALL be used for housing pets. Ordinary doghouses will not be adequate.
    In temperatures below 40?, animals SHALL be kept indoors.

    These are just the milder provisions, the restrictions and mandatory requirements are stringently ridiculous.
    Along with the rectal exam on the application, unannounced home inspections, microchip fees, adoption fees, sustainable shelter fees, neutering fees & initial Vet fees; getting another critter costs close to $850, and that's before buying the first bag of grub!
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