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woodshed87
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The only logical reason for this is the increase in North American production due to the increased use of hydraulic fracking.
If you prefer $5.00+ per gallon gasoline and diesel, by all means; protest and stop fracking whenever and wherever you can.
Brad Steele
The Middle East is in near-total turmoil, Russia is flexing its muscles, yet crude oil is holding at $ 100.00 - $ 105.00 per barrel.
The only logical reason for this is the increase in North American production due to the increased use of hydraulic fracking.
If you prefer $5.00+ per gallon gasoline and diesel, by all means; protest and stop fracking whenever and wherever you can.
I have absolutely no problems with anyone wanting to do some fracking in DC.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Hear in Northern Illinois it is the opposite end. Sand pits all over the county.
Where are you near?
I'm in McHenry County
Most Of the Country Folk Want It here
A little clarity in your life is a good thing. Fracking isn't.
There's a reason they wanted that in the legislation, and it isn't because the next company might add three more drops per gallon of chemical "X" instead of chemical "Y".
Sorry, I just don't trust industry spokesmen with Joe Isuzu smiles wearing 1500 dollar suits telling me everything's gonna be all right. [:(]
I believe that is what they are doing in western North Dakota.
It has been used for over 150 years, starting in Pennsylvania. Its use expanded dramatically in the oil fields of Texas and Oklahoma in the 1950s through today.
There is a danger to groundwater, and obviously it should not be used in an area where groundwater contamination is a potential. There is a legitimate question as to whether it can release stresses and trigger small earthquakes, though it is important to note that an earthquake is the release of tectonic tensions, and all fracking would likely do is provide a premature release. Heck, it is possible that these early releases may mitigate to some extent the potential for a truly damaging quake down the road.
Brad Steele
Seems there's lots of evidence fracking is causing some problems. I would not stop doing it, because we need the oil. I wouldn't pretend the problems do not exist either.
So, accept there are problems, work out how to deal with them and still get the oil.
The main reason behind that statement is that the water table is less than 1,000 feet underground, no matter where you are.
Drillers seal off their surface string with a collar of cement, then re-enter the hole with a smaller diameter pipe, which in turn gets sealed off, then another pipe, and so on.
The way it works is that if the pipe going into the formation leaks; they get no petrochemicals from the well.
Sure, there are idiots who watched that "documentary", Frac Nation, and totally believe the moron with the flames in his kitchen tap.
Of course, the filmmakers didn't mention that when that guy's well was drilled (for WATER), that he hit several pockets of gas, yet didn't think he ought to case the wellbore because it was too expensive.
Back in the 30's, my Gramps was a wildcatter in Oklahoma, Illinois, Indiana and Colorado. He was a Petroleum Geologist, and taught for 25 years at Ardmore's state college.
He was instrumental in discovering and drilling the Tussy Sands (Dees Formation), near Velma, Ok, and drilled over 300 wellbores throughout his career.
Fracturing tight formations was done back then by forcing diesel, acids, sand and small, hard rubber balls into the formation, and then swabbing the well to suck out all the frac fluids.
Things are different now, and several chemicals have replaced the old formula.
As far as Hydraulic Fracturing causing earthquakes, or sinkholes, or bad weather; I sincerely doubt it, or we'd have seen Indiana, Pennsylvania, and several other states with large fields drop out of sight.
Unless you are an expert on plate tectonics, geophysical/seismic events, or physics; your opinion is as useful as the "consensus"-bots that declare "climate change" is manmade.
Just like the observant fellow back in the 1300s that declared that flies erupted spontaneously from rotting meat; sometimes the "effect" is not a symptom of the "cause".
Time for us to join opec
The Middle East is in near-total turmoil, Russia is flexing its muscles, yet crude oil is holding at $ 100.00 - $ 105.00 per barrel.
The only logical reason for this is the increase in North American production due to the increased use of hydraulic fracking.
If you prefer $5.00+ per gallon gasoline and diesel, by all means; protest and stop fracking whenever and wherever you can.
Oil closed at $97 a barrel today so lets watch those gas prices go down.
There is no realistic comparison between the technology in use today with that of even 30 years ago.
It has not been done in the volume, pressure, number, or extent through horizontal drilling.
One would think the pressures generated by the nitroglycerin 'torpedoes' used in the lat 19th century were significantly higher than the 15,000 psi the is used today.
It is a function of depth today. The greater the depth, the more pressure you need to overcome the gravitational pressure.
Brad Steele
Hydraulic fracturing has been done in every oil/gas field since the 20's, and done properly, causes no water contamination.
The main reason behind that statement is that the water table is less than 1,000 feet underground, no matter where you are.
Drillers seal off their surface string with a collar of cement, then re-enter the hole with a smaller diameter pipe, which in turn gets sealed off, then another pipe, and so on.
The way it works is that if the pipe going into the formation leaks; they get no petrochemicals from the well.
Sure, there are idiots who watched that "documentary", Frac Nation, and totally believe the moron with the flames in his kitchen tap.
Of course, the filmmakers didn't mention that when that guy's well was drilled (for WATER), that he hit several pockets of gas, yet didn't think he ought to case the wellbore because it was too expensive.
Back in the 30's, my Gramps was a wildcatter in Oklahoma, Illinois, Indiana and Colorado. He was a Petroleum Geologist, and taught for 25 years at Ardmore's state college.
He was instrumental in discovering and drilling the Tussy Sands (Dees Formation), near Velma, Ok, and drilled over 300 wellbores throughout his career.
Fracturing tight formations was done back then by forcing diesel, acids, sand and small, hard rubber balls into the formation, and then swabbing the well to suck out all the frac fluids.
Things are different now, and several chemicals have replaced the old formula.
As far as Hydraulic Fracturing causing earthquakes, or sinkholes, or bad weather; I sincerely doubt it, or we'd have seen Indiana, Pennsylvania, and several other states with large fields drop out of sight.
Unless you are an expert on plate tectonics, geophysical/seismic events, or physics; your opinion is as useful as the "consensus"-bots that declare "climate change" is manmade.
Just like the observant fellow back in the 1300s that declared that flies erupted spontaneously from rotting meat; sometimes the "effect" is not a symptom of the "cause".
Don't talk facts and common sense to this bunch. It ruins their conspiracy theories.
It is one total mess down here in southwest PA. Google up the Harry Enstrom chapter of the IWLA. There are weekly radio shows about the drilling on different stations around here and in WV. The drilling industry seems to own the politicians. There's not enough room here to tell what needs to be. Water tankers doing 60+mph down a two lane country road. Running red lights all the time. There's been so many roll those trucks and die that no one seems to care anymore. Explosions at well sites.
I live in SWPA, Washington county to be exact. I have wells all around me. When they first stated I seen a lot of speeding trucks, but around my area they have slowed the speed down nicely.
Following the principle that oil floats on water is behind the use of injection of brackish water or brine into depleted formations to enhance the tertiary recovery of hydrocarbons, once the production has slowed to less-than-commercially viable levels.
The Gov't has decreed that not one drop of fluid from a well will touch the surface, even going to ridiculous lengths to enforce the concept.
That means one cannot precipitate the solids from brine to retrieve gold, silver, palladium, or other pricey metals, nor can one then use the desalinated water for any purpose except re-injection into the ground.
The trouble I have with the premise that SWD (salt water disposal) or injection wells are causing any sort of ground disturbance is that the fluids being injected replace the substances that were withdrawn from the formations in the first place.
Theoretically, the oil/gas mix that was pumped out is like squeezing a tube of toothpaste, then re-filling that space with brine or brackish water to force the remnants of the hydrocarbons into the pressurized pipe, and up to the tank battery.
As most any operator or mineral owner will tell you, oil/gas mix usually comes with a load of unwanted fluids (non-petroproducts), which then have to be separated by pressure, gravity, or any of hundreds of methods, stored, then used either as an admix for hydraulic fracturing blends, lubrication of the drillbit (as in drilling mud), reduction of swabbing acids, or re-injected to enhance recovery.
Imagine how many minerals and compounds are in the brine from a well, and lament the waste of agricultural resources, possible uses as drought alleviation supplies, and potentially useful things like sulfur, propane, butane, heptane, iron, magnesium, mercury and potable water.
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Brad Steele
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Sorry... But the LINKED story is about evicting motel residents due to code violations of the motel...
Jus'how is this related to Fracking ??? [B)]
I want the fuel, the family legacy money, the high paying jobs and economic growth plus the energy independence created by fracking.
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http://marcellusmonitor.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/cecil-township-warns-residents-of-potential-water-contamination-near-frack-pit-after-dep-refuses-to/
Watch reruns of the Big Bang Theory if that was over your pay grade.
Here's an attempt at showing what depths, materials and techniques are involved in planning to re-enter an already-fractured hole.
I had trouble making it legible, but I can't figure out how to make it big enough to read without going back to the photo site and clicking some more to re-enlargen it.