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Coyotes
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I just wondered how dangerous coyotes are, and if they often attack humans. I am planning on buying some property in montana and there are coyotes and several other animals on and around the property, but coyotes are the only ones that I am wondering about. If someone can help me out, it would be great..
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What they proposed was for the animals to be captured alive, the males castrated and let loose again and the population would be controlled. This was ACTUALLY proposed to the Wyoming Wool and Sheep Grower's Association by the Sierra Club and the USFS. All of the ranchers thought about this amazing idea for a couple of minutes.
Finally, an old boy in the back stood up, tipped his hat back and said, "Son, I don't think you understand the problem. Those coyotes ain't screwin' our sheep - they're eatin' 'em"
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A firetruck just went past and the 'yotes answered its siren. So I guess they're still in the neighborhood, even if that draw isn't their main hangout any longer.
On the other hand, I looked out the window a few nights ago and saw three deer munching on the neighbors' shrubbery.
No, I have no real point. Just missing the coyotes and the badass kitty that used to live in my neighborhood. And wondering if I ever want to live in a big city again.
On the way out, Cisco the ACD, alerted on a big coyote den down in a draw at the bottom of one of our washed out roads (need to fix that road this year). I got down to where they were (very steep going) and saw they must have found an active den. Rabbit fur, tracks, sign and bones everywhere around the entrance.
Down where they were it was almost vertical getting down to it. I had to walk around a ways into the bottom from a different direction. My (human) 4WD don't work as good as theirs! I went down for a look see. About 15 feet up from the bottom there was about a 2 foot diameter entrance in a vertical face with a narrow shelf just below it. Absolutely exquisite strategic location. The shelf was only wide enough for a dog, commanding view to the south, east and west. I could get up to the den just enough to look inside. I didn't see or hear anything inside. We poked around a little more and found what looks to be another entrance started about 20 feet away. It only has about a 2" diameter hole (air hole maybe?).
Anyway, we moved on eventually and hiked back up to the top of the hill and started down the other side into the creek bottom. Elevation change on this section is about 500 feet up and then back down. We got down to the pond and it was crystal clear, the spring is just roiling (you can see it welling up). Of course Shelby, the Lab, was in the water swimming immediately. It was deep enough for her to swim even which was cool. I was busy paying attention to my problem child Rhode, the Border, trying to get him to go in swimming too. (Damn dog will go swimming in a stock tank, but he wouldn't go in this water). Next thing I know I hear branches snapping, cattails breaking and see a mud roostertail flying up in the air. Cisco is onto something!!
I quickly yelled "CISCO!!! COME!!", but it was too late. I quickly backed up onto the hillside so I could see and thought I saw Cisco exit the reeds about 400 yards to the south headed straight uphill on a dead run. But, it wasn't Cisco...this dog had a tail. COYOTE! Then I saw the roostertail, and 2nd coyote came out of the reeds with Cisco in hot pursuit. Now I've told you guys how fast this dog is, and maybe you believed me, maybe not, but Cisco was litterally running up this coyotes back!! Every 2nd-3rd bound Cisco would pull him down. At one point Cisco pulled him all the way down and rolled him. Now I'm PISSED, and furiously calling Cisco to break it off!! Now ordinarily, he's really good about this, but this dog challenged him on his turf. I don't want Cisco chasing coyotes because I know how they are...run off and lead another dog into a trap. And that's just what this coyote did.
After Cisco rolled him/her trying to follow the first one, he (Cisco) ran over the top of him and turned around. (If I'd have had my rifle with me right then it would have been a perfect shot...Cisco was far enough away he would have been out of harms way, but I didn't have a rifle). The 2nd coyote just stood there like "what the hell are you???" Cisco then turns around back downhill, takes off like a lightning bolt, and right before impact turns his head (like how dogs do) (the coyote turned his head to) and they hit shoulder to shoulder. Cisco hit this coyote like a locomotive, knocked him down again, rolled him and turned back uphill to face him.
The whole time I'm calling Cisco to break it off with these coyotes because I didn't see where the 1st went. The coyote bolts downhill and runs inside a 60" drainage pipe under our road. Cisco disappears. (this area is cattails and reeds 8-9 feet high in front of these pipes).
By now I'm very concerned about Cisco. He's been a brave warrior up to this point, and scared not one, but two, coyotes off, but out here there are lot's more. He's a very fast and powerful, proud, little man, but he's a dog, and these are coyotes. (I've seen them take down buck antelope (on our property even), one of the fastest animals on the plains, with lesser tactics than this).
I ran up the hill to the road and ran over to the other side. Cisco had chased that coyote through one of those two culverts to the other side. Cisco must have hesitated to run through the culvert (it's about 200' long) because he lost the coyote on the other side and was furiously searching for it. Those coyotes have 900 places to hide for every 1 he can find, and the rest was on his nose and he was tracking intensely.
Cisco is a great dog, but I've never raised him to be a coyote dog. Takes a very special dog to be a coyote dog and red healer/ACD's are not that breed. True coyote dogs, like catahoula (sp?) play the same games coyotes do, but they lure the coyotes back in to the owner (and away from the pack) so he can shoot them. Cisco wanted these coyotes, and he knows he can pull a dog down, run a dog down, but shoot; against three or four of these dogs he's likely no match...that's what worries me.
Cisco's big adventure today. How do you tell a dog as motivated as that, to do the right thing, he's a bad dog...you can't. As long as I could keep eyes on the situation I had at least one other dog I could send in without firearms, Shelby the Hammer, (but I didn't have a rifle...maybe that was my bad).
Anyway, all are safe tonight. In fact, all are sleeping right now (which is good).
Rhode, the problem child did give chase, but he really didn't know what Cisco was chasing after, or what Shelby was so riled up about. He didn't understand why Cisco tackled shelby on the sand of the road, when she was soaking wet from swimming, to profusely kiss her for having her back.
It was a bit funny in the end; some of the neighbors heard some of the yelling, barking and commotion in the distance and let their dogs out. Some (a new one, 'rescue' at the neighbor's) came running over to see what was up. Shelby, Cisco and even Rhode were glued together..."No, it's all over now; nothing to see here...move along!"
I saw one of those coyotes standing on top of the hill.
They'll be back.
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That said, castrating coyotes is a STUPID idea.
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