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An opinion from the North

pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
It's Not Guns We Must ControlBy Michael CorenI hate guns. They terrify me. I have never owned one and never will. I have little sympathy for the gun culture or the gun lobby. Both seem crass and crude. If I had my way, guns would not exist. But -- and this but is the size of a Liberal grant -- we do not live in a perfect world and I am prepared to admit that reality sometimes stings.More than this, the relative lack of gun control legislation in the United States had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with a 6-year-old in Michigan shooting another child to death. Nor had it anything to do with other child killings, with murders by street gangs, with any of the shootings in Canada.Indeed, gun control is one of the great misnomers of modern times. We cannot control guns and we don't have to either. What we have to control is the decaying social fabric of North America and our headlong rush into an ethical vacuum.Good God, this one isn't rocket science. A few fundamentals:Guns are extraordinarily common in Canadian and American rural communities, where the crime rates are lower than anywhere else in either country. Farm kids shoot from an early age and are in the company of firearms before they can walk. Yet there are hardly any violent rampages and so-called accidental discharges of weapons.Guns have existed in very large numbers for more than two centuries. They were common among ordinary families from the 1740s. Children did not kill with them. After 1945 Canada was flooded with handguns brought home from Europe and Asia by soldiers. Teachers of the time report of half of the class bringing dad's shooter to school. These were military weapons, deadly and efficient. Were there mass slaughters? Of course not. But according to some zealots, it's all about registration. So just who are these people so anxious to tell us what to do and how to do it?Curiously enough, the activists campaigning for draconian gun control seem to be the same activists who are calling for a lower age of sexual consent, for more children's rights, for increased funding of daycare rather than support for families, for a wholesale dismantling of the society that has served us so well for so long.If you doubt me, just take a look. It is an almost infallible rule that the more permissive a person is on social and moral issues the more in favour they are of strict gun control. Coincidence? Please. It is not that such people are sinister, simply that they are wrong. Dangerously wrong. Ignore the disease, misinterpret the diagnoses and then prescribe the wrong medicine.It's too late for that nonsense now. The patient is dying and we have to operate fast. As for the ailments, they should be obvious.Single-parent families and the absence of male authority figures. Parents never seeing their kids because both are working and junior is parented by the television. Teachers emasculated and unable to chastise children who instead revel in their thuggery. An obsession with the self-esteem of kids who in fact scream for boundaries and borders. Endless discussions about children's feelings, encouraging them to act out the slightest whim.Constant attacks on the virtues of family, chastity, faith, respect, order and tradition. TV that deadens the mind and the sensibilities with graphic violence, grotesque pornography and vacuous pop videos, and then hosts long discussions wondering why kids are going wrong.I want, I need, I must have, I know, I am, I rule, I'm cool, I'm everything. You're nothing, you're not me, you don't understand, you suck, you don't matter. And I'm the centre of the universe. I know it because I feel it and nobody dares tell me otherwise.Laugh when Jimmy uses obscene language, believe that Susan can do no wrong even when the cop and the teacher tell you otherwise, decide that your "self-fulfillment" in some job is more important than Jake seeing his mother when he comes home from school, and say you can't control what Brittany watches on television when you haven't even tried.It ain't about guns, it's about you. And you, and you. Don't blame mechanics for your own madness

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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i couldnt agree more! barto
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My Gawd, an intelligent liberal, I thought they were extinct!!!!!!!!!!pops, *where* did you find this guy?[This message has been edited by Iconoclast (edited 02-01-2002).]
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Thanks Pops...While I think it a mistake to view all guns in the same light, I can certainly see your point. I'm more of the opinion that all guns demand respect, but that the terror part comes from the one controlling the trigger.Accidents happen. They happen with vehicles, they happen with chainsaws, they happen with just about any tool a person comes in contact with. Accidents are something mankind deals with and tries to prevent.And then there's the human element of evil... Be it greed, power, lack of morals, temper, or whatever. When one human picks up any tool with deadly intent toward another, then we have a serious situation that demands immediate attention. Guns are as easy a tool as any and that's too bad.Most liberals forget (or never know) that folks brought up in strong family environments along with a large dose of ethics and duty are of little danger to society in general. Farm kids are taught to operate dangerous vehicles at a very young age. They don't have a problem understanding the gravity of their actions. Guns are part of rural life. Witness the elimination of a few farm pests or be forced to put down a beloved dog or horse and you'll not soon pull a trigger on a fellow human. Witness someone who seems to enjoy such actions and there better be some kind of intervention taken.'Nuff said! Thanks.
  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well said! Taliban john and his do nothing socialist parents are a perfect example of this.
    PC=BS
  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good post.Started out hating the guy,he came around though.
  • j2k22j2k22 Member Posts: 329 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    excellent post; neatly summarizes many of the themes we have been spouting for years.Thanks!
  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    "I hate guns. Guns terrify me."I'll bet this weak-kneed simpleton is also scared of the dark, loud noises, and dogs any bigger than mommy's Fluffy.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you like what he said, tell him so. We writers love that sort of thing. He's at - mcoren@sympatico.ca Yeah, I know, he's Canadian, did you really think an American Liberal would talk like that?Go ahead, send him a note, I did.Clouder..
  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lowrider, It wasn't MY thoughts, but I thought it was worth reading if you read the whole thing.Clouder. were your comments positive or negative as to the thoughts of this man. Sorry, but sometimes things are not too clear here and I think that if they were, a lot less flame would occur. pops
  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Yeah, I knew it wasn't your thoughts, Pops. I did read the whole thing and I certainly agree with some of what he said, but the lead-in turned me off completely. I can't imagine a rational adult being "terrified" of an inanimate piece of machinery. A tool, if you will. If you knew someone who ran screaming in terror from the sight of a shovel, or a pipewrench, you'd think they had a screw loose. That's just how I feel about anyone who would make the statement this guy made with his first two sentences of this article.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's just good to know that there are people out there that are willing to listen to both sides of ANY issue. Too much one sided opinionism out there. We have a license plate here in Flarda that says 'CHOOSE LIFE'. No one ever gave us a choice for a rebuttal plate. How about just 'CHOOSE', damnit, that's our right. Not the other. Makes more sense to me, but then we're talking sense and politics, oxy MORON. pops
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of people hate guns, and knives and garrots and anything else that can inflict * harm. It's their nature. A lot of them are liberal politically. That does not mean they are beneath a conservative's contempt. That's crass and crude, like the guy said. His point, for those of you who saw red with the first three words and instantly went defensive, is that guns are here and we need to teach responsibility instead of gun control. I told him as much and invited him to a target shoot. I said it was just like a fireworks dispaly except you get to light all the fuses.Clouder..
  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Another one sent to Gov. Locke's Email. Dang Washitonian Liberals....
    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Solid gold.....!!!! Beach
  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks guys, thought it needed posting when I read it.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I read it and its clear, you cannot ban cars because one ran over your wife at a red light. The same goes for GUNS or any stuff we are afraid of ,be it scorpions, snakes or Bin Lading taking a "Curb" in a street corner. A clear and open mind has to persist to reality ,as in this post ! Nice Job !
  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Judge Dread, No, but at least you can offer to wash it for the guy.
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pops, can you post attribution so I may send a note of appreciation to this gent?
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