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Pledge of allegiance Poll

RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
Click on "Todays Poll".
This will give you an idea what other people think about it.

http://www.wawsfox30.com/contact_us.html

Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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  • BoyWonderBoyWonder Member Posts: 63 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beware the "Tyranny of the Majority"
    That's why we have majority rule, but minority protection...

    Beware lest in your anxiety to avoid war you obtain a master. -Demosthenes
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BOYWONDER- HUH?
    We do not have "majority rule" in this country.

    "The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
    -James Madison
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SHOULD THE TERM "UNDER GOD" BE REMOVED FROM THE PLEDGE?
    No 96.17 %
    Yes 3.83 %



    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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  • BoyWonderBoyWonder Member Posts: 63 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salzo,
    you are correct, I was pointing out that the results of the poll shouldn't be taken as the "right" answer. The majority does not interpret the constitution (directly anyway).

    Beware lest in your anxiety to avoid war you obtain a master. -Demosthenes
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, as an atheist, I simply omit those two words when I recite the pledge. I would be happier with the original wording, but I never felt intimidated by all those terrible Judeo-Christian bullies in grade school (decided that religion wasn't for me by second grade, to my parents' dismay). The people that bring these complaints are simply too damn insecure &/or publicity hungry. There are more important issues in the world than this.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Iconoclast;

    I have the utmost Respect for your opinion and how you presented it.

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ditto RugerNiner

    SHOULD THE TERM "UNDER GOD" BE REMOVED FROM THE PLEDGE?
    No 95.93 %
    Yes 4.07 %

    Its time to start being less tollerant of those who are offended by the things that makes our Nation great ... If our Flag offends you; Go to another country! If our pledge offends you; Go to another country! If our Anthem offends you: Go to another country! If our money offends you; Go to another country! If our laws offend you; Go to another country! ...
    ... GET THE PICTURE?

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    ... there are so darn many models to choose from!
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  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just anothervote like kimber said ...get out
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  • CORRENCORREN Member Posts: 466 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you Kimber,I could not agree more.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whether or not you belive in God, be thankful that our forefathers wrote the Constitution and defined it as rights endowed by our Creator. This Judeo-Christian theme gives the Constitution meaning much deeper than it would have if those rights were endowed by man or the Constitution itself. It implies that NO MAN has the power to take those rights away unlike the Parlimentary system of the UK which is based upon the premise that all rights enjoyed by man are those that the Parlimentary system feels fit to endow upon man. To remove God and Creator from our historical fabric is to weaken the rights that we enjoy. Heck, even if the founding fathers had no belief in God, I'm sure glad they made up the concept that our rights came from a being much greater than man. To take away that notion is to hand over our rights to a piece of paper that is just a physical piece of material that can be destroyed by man.
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  • sfettysfetty Member Posts: 349 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ditto Kimberkid!!!!!
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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Idsman,
    Extremely well said!
    I was trying to decide how I wanted to word my post, then I read yours and decided there was little left to say.
    Thank you!
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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, not sure the phrase (under god) establishes a religion or meets the criterior of such. but christians are held to a higher standard that if something offens, refrain unless it involves an ethicial standard. a fronte praecipitium atergo lupi respt. dads-freehold

    rodney colson
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  • COONASSCOONASS Member Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    People like that , need to be left in the middle of the woods naked at midnight in the summer with no moon...........or just hit em in the head with a two pound ball-ping hammer...........

    coonass

    Me and my family will always say "god" ..And I DARE someone to try to stop me............

    We Live in a World of Give And Take, But A Lot Of People Won't Give What it Takes.
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  • FUBARFUBAR Member Posts: 175 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For those offended by the words. They need to say good-bye!!!!

    Guns! Guns! Guns!
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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    In addition to putting the words back, the US military should have the troop's belt buckles inscribed "God With US" too. This way we'll really have God's protection if we have to go into battle.

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
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  • pigeoncreek1pigeoncreek1 Member Posts: 217 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will resound what many others have already said...

    If you don't like it...get the @#$! out...

    The people that start these things disgrace our society when they attack the very roots of what America was founded on...

    Gun control is hitting your target
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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, i've stated it before, some of you are sounding a bit elitist. i would've expected it at a NOW meeting or a syminar of the morris deeds groupies but not among patriots. respt. submitted dads-freehold a fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

    rodney colson
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    For those who beleive in God, it shouldn't matter, as you can take God out of the pledge, but cannot take God from the person. It is good, in my opinion to recognise God in this country, but lets not let it give cause for Americans to hate Americans.
    God is not a religion, but a being. Catholic, Babtist, Lutherin, Methodist, Protestant ect.- are religions. I am not religious, but am a christian.
    Those who are Athiests have their own beleifs and/or religions and have that right in this country, "that is America".
    I choose to not judge otherwise- we will all have the answeres someday.
    You are judged not by what you say, but what you do!
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm sure, by now, most of you know where I stand regarding religion so I won't go there on this thread.
    Therefore, I must vote with Iconoclast and Kimberkid.

    Mudge the atheist patriot

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Hairy...I caught that comment about putting "God is with us" on the belt buckles...are you being just a little sarcastic by suggesting we do the same thing the Nazi's did? I hope you are not serious.If you are...man,you opening a big can of worms there!

    Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.
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  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WELL THAT GUY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE DID.MY PROBLEM IS THAT A GROUP OF ALLEGEDLY INTELLIGENT MEN SWORN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE U.S. AGREED WITH HIM.THIS CASE IS A SIGN HOW FAR LEFT AND HOWOUT OF TOUCH THE LIBERALS ARE WILLING TO GO TO PUSH THEIR COMMUNIST AGENDA.THESE PEOPLE ARE ENEMIES OF THE STATE.THEIR VIEWS ARE CONTRARY TO THE WELL BEING OF AMERICA AND ITS CITEZENS.PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE WHY ASSASINATION WAS INVENTED.OUR COUNTRY IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM US AND IM DAMNED TIRED OF ARGUING WITH THESE PEOPLE.HIS DAUGHTER DID NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE,BUT,THAT WASNT GOOD ENOUGH.HE HAS TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER AND DENY EVERYONE ELSE THEIR RIGHTS TO EXCERCISE HIS.I COULD * ABOUT THIS CRAP FOR HOURS....LIBERALS(COMMUNISTS) MAKE ME SICK,AND IM TIRED OF DEALING WITH THEM.PLEASE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,RUSTY WALLACE FAN AND AS EVERYONE SO OFTEN POINTS OUT PISS POOR TYPIST e-mail:WNUNLEY@USIT.NET
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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The kids may learn the words, and they may recite the pledge in school, but do they understand what the words mean? For most kids, I doubt it.

    PS - Do you Southerners like the "indivisible" part?

    PPS - Notice it says, "liberty and justice for all," not a free ride. I guess I should have said in the first paragraph that many adults don't get it, not just kids.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SUBMARINER;

    What happened to your typing skills? You were doing so well.


    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Busy AR: Yeah, I was. My point is merely that words invoking a deity seem to get a lot of people aroused. Those words on a belt buckle surely didn't have much of an impression of whatever god they were addressed to, did they. I'm not sure those words in a pledge of allegience make those repeating them any "better" or "worse" than if they were not present. As a matter of fact, I declined to join the VFW because of their requirement of attesting to a deity. When required to "swear" during enlistments, I demanded (and got) the "affirm" version. I just sort of think a deity has better things to do than worry if I am busy invoking him/her now and then.

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
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  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HAIRY...whew...I am glad of that! Thought you might be one of those "fundamentalist fanatics" who cannot let an opportunity go by without trying to impose their beliefs on others...some think it is their sworn duty to "educate the ignorant"...oops,maybe I just opened that ugly can of worms...darn,I hate it when I do that...got to run...

    Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.
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  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SOrry rUGER i MEssED up aGaiN

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  • YankeeClipperYankeeClipper Member Posts: 669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One more good reason to sign the potisions for J.A.I.L. (Jucicial Accountability Initative Law)

    Helping keep America free: One gun at a time.
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    Politicions take an oak to uphold the constitution, then stab us in the back. That's politics, and we are so used to it, we joke about it but don't do anything about it! That's the frog in the oven affect! And we (the uninformed) are falling for it !
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