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American Taliban fighter- VOTE!

alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
edited December 2001 in General Discussion
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- It's possible that the 20-year-old American captured fighting for the Taliban could be prosecuted for treason or for the murder of a U.S. government employee, Justice Department lawyers said Friday. Justice officials released a list of six federal laws that might apply against John Walker, discovered fighting for the Taliban. The laws also might apply to any other U.S. citizen who fought for al Qaeda or the Taliban, they said. No decision has been made on what charges Walker could face, but officials noted that treason and murder charges carry a maximum penalty of death. Walker suffered a bullet wound and was hit by shrapnel fighting for the Taliban in a bloody prison uprising in Mazar-e Sharif that left hundreds dead. Included in the dead was CIA operative Mike Spann, the first American combat fatality in Afghanistan. Spann interviewed Walker hours before he died at the facility, although Walker did not answer any questions posed to him. At the time, Spann apparently did not know Walker was an American. The interview was videotaped by an Afghan cameraman. Walker has been in the custody of the U.S. military for about a week, although few details have been given on his whereabouts or his condition. James Brosnahan, an attorney for Walker's family, appealed again Friday for the United States to allow Walker's parents to see their son. "They are anxious to know how John is doing. We have renewed our previous request to the government to know what John's condition is and to visit him without delay," Brosnahan said in a statement. "Thus far, John's parents have received no official word as to John's physical health, mental state or even his whereabouts." Sen. John McCain, who was held as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, urged Americans not to prejudge Walker's action and to let the Justice Department investigate the matter thoroughly. "They ought to look at exactly what he did, what he didn't do, what his involvement was," the Arizona Republican told CNN. "Rather than rush to judgment on this young man ... let's see exactly what he did and let the Justice Department and others take its position on this." The Justice Department said the "applicability" of the six statutes "would depend on the nature and extent of the individual's involvement with these organizations." The potential charges are: Treason:Levying war or adhering to the enemies of the U.S. -- giving them aid and comfort -- by a person owing allegiance to the United States. -- Carries a penalty of five years to death. Murder of U.S. government employee:Killing or attempted killing of an officer or employee of the United States or any agency thereof while the officer is engaged in his official duties. -- Maximum penalties: Death for first-degree murder, life for second-degree murder, 10 years for manslaughter. Foreign murder of a U.S. national:Killing or attempting to kill another U.S. national outside the United States but within the jurisdiction of another country. The statute requires Attorney General approval and a determination that conduct occurred in a country where the person is no longer present and that country's inability to secure the person's presence for trial. -- Maximum penalties: Death for first-degree murder, life for second-degree murder, 10 years for manslaughter. Foreign murder of a U.S. national for the purpose of terrorismKilling a national of the United States outside the U.S. (or to attempt or conspire to do so) when, in the opinion of the Attorney General, the offense is intended to coerce, intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian population. The Attorney General's determination that the crime was committed for a terrorism-related purpose is not subject to judicial review. -- Maximum penalties: Death for first-degree murder, life for second-degree murder, 10 years for manslaughter. Conspiracy:Two separate conspiracy statutes may apply. One (18 USC 2332) requires only agreement to commit the prohibited conduct. The other, (18 USC 371) requires the commission of an overt act by a conspiracy member in furtherance of the conspiracy. -- Maximum penalties: Five years and life in prison, respectively. Providing material support or resources to terrorists:Prohibits the act of providing "material support or resources" to terrorists, which includes al Qaeda because it is designated as a foreign terrorist organization. -- Maximum penalty: 15 years per count, or life, or the death penalty -- if a death resulted from the offense. If no death resulted, the citizen would likely receive a sentence of 15 years per count. Sentencing guidelines generally expose an individual to between 35 and 40 years but can exceed that.
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Jeez, ya mean like Hanoi Jane getting two or three POW's beaten to death and lending aid and comfort to the enemy and making millions of $$$ on workout tapes and never answering for her treason? Is that what yer talkin' about?
  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    According to some Constitutional attorney's he is a prime candidate to lose his citizenship, for serving in a foreign nations armed service.That would be fair enough, I say since he likes the country, let him stay, why bring him back, and have the bleeding hearts make him a martyr; strip him of citizenship, with the understanding, if he's caught again bearing arms agianst our armed forces he will be shot on site like the traitor he is.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Was them the same acusations our founding fathers had from the KING of England ? Kick him out ant let him be a goat herder with 20 wifes and 30 kids (he will be nagged to death ! ) sinse the TALIBAN no longer willpull his wifes mouth shut ! HE HE HE !
    Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !
  • usmc2498215usmc2498215 Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    For those of you who are not familiar with Mr. Walkers residence in California (Marin County); this is a very wealthy suburb of the San Francisco Bay area. It is also a hot bed of Socialists, Liberals, New Age fanatics, and just about every selection of fruits and nuts you can imagine. Knowing this kids family, they will get him home, have him on Oprah, and he will be raking in millions on book deals, telling his tale about how he lived with the Taliban, and fought the Great Satan, America. Sorry, if my unit had captured that traitorist piece of crap, we would have buried him there as well.....
  • Walt NunleyWalt Nunley Member Posts: 228 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I HEARD ON THE RADIO TODAY THAT HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY THAT CIA MAN THAT GOT KILLED, SPANN.HE ACTED JUST LIKE THE REST OF THEM S.O.B.'S.SO LET HIM REAP THE REWARDS OF HIS TRTEASONOUS BEHAVIOR BRING HIM HOME TRY HIM AS A TRAITOR AND FRY HIS *!~!!!!!!!!
    Submarine Sailor,Truck Driver,and very bad typist.GO RUSTY #2
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How about selling lottery tickets to serveon his firing squad. Should bring in enough to pay for this war.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Take away his citizenship, then let the Northern Alliance have at him. He was an outsider crapping on their country. They'll probably have a bullet in him in less time than it would take us to get him to the airport. I'm sure they don't see him much different than we see OBL.WOODS
  • ghotie_thumperghotie_thumper Member Posts: 1,561 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try him for treason, shoot him in the center of the forehead with a large caliber pistol at point blank.
  • WEASEL-88WEASEL-88 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a new Colt Defender I need to try out, how can I get one of thoes tickets.
  • jazzjazz Member Posts: 83 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    McCain's got the nerve to say don't pre-judge the matter!! Let me tell you thisMcSh*ta$$. You, that traitorous B*tchHanoi Jane, that P.O.S. Walker, and mostof Holly-waste ought to be dropped out ofB-52 at 15,000 ft. with no parachute rightover Kabul, and take the liberal media with you. You gotta lot of nerve Senator!! Youespecially should know the word TRAITOR!You applied that title rather well with yourNVA buddies, you BIG *!!!
  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    tattoo "i love the taliban" on his forhead & turn him over to the alliance.if his head is to small, insert one of those cutsey little heart signs in place of "love".
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,598 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I feel our goverment should be consistant. We have said that all Afgan fighters that give up their weapons are free to go home. All foreign fighters will be jailed and brought to trial. This should include Americans.Jeff
    cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • tidemantideman Member Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Execute the TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tideman
    "Don't shoot to stop 'em, Shoot to Destroy 'em!"
  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    First, it was his decision and free will to be there and take up arms against America and Freedom. Second, when it comes to stopping this kind of behavior and acts of tyranny from re-occurring in the future there should be absolute remedies in place.Try him fairly, and then KILL HIM! Boomer
    Protect our Constitutional Rights.
  • instrumentofwarinstrumentofwar Member Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    perfect solution:get jesse jackson involved. let him think it's his idea to go over there and stick his corrupt nose where it doesn't belong (yet again)for the publicity. only this time we'll be two steps ahead of him, we can send up the grids in a 9-line format for a C-130 spectere gunship, and kill two birds with one stone, so to speak (wink-wink)
    whatever you do, try to look unimportant, the enemy may be low on bullets
  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    its easy to say,"let 'em burn"- but if it was my kid i'd want him back in america to face the music rather than other options. he joined up before terror/war declared and i doubt he knew a whole hell of a lot...whatever the facts are, i'd like to hear them first and well, maybe, i'm feeling a little christmasy and could see a way to forgive a kid who involved himself in zealotry, fighting in a "treasonous" war where the only americans were 30,000 ft. in the air or spooks...but maybe not- still if it were up to me, i'd like to think i'd still treat him as american, maybe even give him the benefit of doubt- why be unduly nasty?.
  • YankeeClipperYankeeClipper Member Posts: 669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What do you suppose has happened to McCain,He seems to be loosing it all the way around. The people that I know in AZ are not to sure his senate is secure anymore.
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Ban him from the U.S. forever. Take away his citizenship, his rights, and make it clear that any further actions against United States interests would be treated with retaliation that would conclude with the immediate loss of his life and anyone else foolish enough to be within a few hundred yards of that slimeball.Death is forgotten in a few days. Banishment is a message delivered over a lifetime. Praise be Allah... or whatever!
  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    He must be tried for treason along with the other two if they exist.A line must be drawn in the sand and an example made or we will be fighting every other whacked out kid in America on foreign soil.It would be a mistake to bring him back nad turn him loose. He has had training and most likely it was in the form of terrorism. I would hate to think he was running free and probably wiring bombs or poisoning the populace.I can only speculate to how many bullets he fired in the direction of the American forces over there or how many planes or copters he shot at. He might have even been the one who shot and killed the the CIA agent.By taking up arms against us and siding with the Taliban he is saying he approved of the WTC killings. By trying him for treason we are saying we will not tolerate this type of behavior from him or anyone and actions such as his will be met with certain justice.Treason against a country that has fed and clothed his * and gave him opportunities found in very few other places is abhorable. His actions were about as low as killing his own mother and father but much greater in the sense it was against a whole nation.Convene a military tribunal and hang him-problem solved with him!MCcain is siding with this traitor simply because "birds of a feather flock together"!I can only assume how much they relate to each other.[This message has been edited by alledan (edited 12-08-2001).]
  • 7mm_ultra_mag_is_king7mm_ultra_mag_is_king Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NONONONO! Keep him alive untill we can get all the families from the WTC, Pentagon and the airlines who lost loved ones in the attacks in one spot. Bring him there. Arm all the families with BB guns. allow them to shoot at random. After awhile it will be unbearable pain. Allow the fire companies from NYC to bring the fire trucks and mix salt into the water tanks and spray him with the salty water on his fresh wounds. While he is in pain everybody starts to sing America The Beutifull. Now we can go to lessons learned from the Southeast Asian Gooks, RATS! And lots of them . Put honey on him and put him in a room with rats. Start to dismember him piece by piece while he is still awake. Keeps doctors handy to revive him. Exteme torture! Let him feel the pain of 5000+ Americans! Under no circumstances do we kill him fast, let his death come slowly and PAINFULL! I believe in revenge, I believe in torture, I beleive in extreme punishment, I believe that a punishment of immediate death is wrong. LET HIM SUFFER!
    when all else fails........................
  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    some of you guys seem to be under the impression that the taliban was responsible for wtc, etc...as i far i can determine, they are only(as a group)responsible for destroying buddha statues and enforcing draconian islamic rules. the fact that they refused to hand over terrorist cells/members/planners that loosely made up their #'s seems a natural response that they are paying for, as well as us w/ blood of american service men. that we should execute or "tribunitize" some dickhead from sanfran who was dumb enough and sincere enough to find himself caught up on the wrong side of the camel dung pile, seems hasty and unevenly metered justice...i can understand that shootin' folk might like to see every afghan dead, and any american agreeing with them as well, but my vote- if such a thing exists, is for prudence and redemption. enough americans have died already- why zap one of own without good reason and under the light of the facts...if it turns out he was a big-time taliban general, a fellow traveler of bin laden, or a killer of americans, i will relinquish my defense of his rights to your vengeful gnashing...
  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Go back in your crack rat. This forum is for Americans.
  • jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just a thought. If guns are banned and you people take up arms against the government, are you traitors? If you say you have a right to guns according to the constitution, then does he not have a right to his religion and to defend it. Most of the taliban were not fighting america, but for their beliefs. Acording to the american way, you are innocent till proven guilty in a court of law. Lets say one of you are wrongfully accused of raping a young girl. You can prove your innocents in a court, but before you get there a group of rednecks who hate child molesters string your * to a tree. Bet you would be rethinking your veiws on people having their day in court.
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    He picked sides, so be it. As far as I'm concerned, he relinquished his citizenship when he did. Give him the same you give anyone of the others.
    Save, research, then buy the best.Join the NRA, NOW!Teach them young, teach them safe, teach them forever, but most of all, teach them to VOTE!
  • edharoldedharold Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As this guy apparently was with the Taliban before we declared war on them, he can hardly be called a traitor. He should hardly e welcomed back to the US though. If he had joined after Bush attached them, I would call that treason.
  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hey badboybob- i'll go back into my crack if you can pull your head outta yours...but if you don't, i'll still support your right to be a butthead anyway.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TUN ! TUN ! TUN !another scapegoat hit's the dust ! Tun ! Tun ! Tun! another scapegoat Hit's the dust ... Ow yeah ! another one hits the dust !
  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    He should be subjected to the same tribunals that will look at the cases of the other foreign fighters there. He should receive the same punishment that a Saudi, Yemeni, or Pakistani fighter receives for fighting the terrorist's fight. If in fact he was with the Taliban as a Taliban and not an operative of al Quida then he should be treated as a Taliban prisoner.In any case he should have his American citizenship revoked and he can still visit his parents on an Afghani or Pakistani passport. Beach
  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i would agree on a trial if anyone can tell me why we should spend umpteen million dollars to convict a traitor who had to have known the end results of his decision to join the taliban.he should be tossed in the same bag as his pals.
  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If he gets to court, it'll be like Lockerby.He should be tried over there by a bunch of off duty G I's,found guilty and and left 6 feet under the land he chose to fight for.Don't know what fate he should meet, but a 110 story flaming freefall comes to mind.
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    beach, has pretty much hit it the nail on the head. The guy has denounced his citizenship by fighting for another foreign force, in my opinion, whether it is a legal declaration of denouncing citizenship or not I dont know. Treat the man just like the rest of the fighters over there, nothing more and nothing less. America was built to be the greatest nation on earth, and it arguably is. It was founded on the principles of freedom of expression, and he had the freedom to leave, I reserve the right to have the freedom to my opinion, and its my opinion that he should never be allowed to come back, and whatever is done to the rest of his new buddies over there should be applied to him. There have been a lot of people that expressed the opinion he should be tortured, killed, etc. I do not agree with that, although I have found myself saying that same thing about rapists that get off over here at home. My point being, we have enough problems, we try people in the courts over here, OJ for instance, that everyone knows is guilty, and yet they go free. No one has killed him for his crimes, and he hasnt paid for his crime, but I have yet to see anyone putting vigilante justice to his case, so why get all in a fuss about this one man, waste as much money on his case as OJ's and probably get no where. Is he worth it, no, I dont think so. Let him be, over there, never to come back. We will deal with the real problem, and make examples of the big fish, the Osama's, the Hussein's, and probably the Arafat's, and we will put an end to this problem. If all else fails, maybe they'll get smart and let me go take care of things the way you all suggested, one shot, one kill.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What will probably happen to him is he will write a book (best seller) and get on Opra's show.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    beach:Wondering when someone would bet it right. Thanks. "Is there a man with soul so dead, who never to himself has said, ..." This young man will learn the meaning of those words and shed many tears for his decision. But it was HIS decision. Thank you.Clouder...
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beach.......ImwichuMudge the vindictive
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • Mom MomMom Mom Member Posts: 169 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So he joined the Taliban before Sept. 11. He didn't exactly go running for the first Americans he saw and yell "Please save me from the terroorists!" No he did not. He chose to stay and fight against American troops. We have a word for that- treason. As for him being a "whacked out KID", he is 20. We have a number fo troops younger than that. His concerned parents? Well, they weren't exactly raising a lot of ruckus when he chose to cease contact with them over 6 months ago. no, only when he is being held an the enemy prisonor of war that he is do we hear from them. if the death penalty is too good for him, how about Leavenworth, general population. Better yet, draft his sorry butt,(there goes the beard and hair) give him a female company commander, and make him PLO- permanent latrine orderly.
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • WyomingSwedeWyomingSwede Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm with beach on this one....he no longer deserves the protection of our laws. He can take the same medicine as the rest of the Taliban. Do the crime ...then do the time. Let him come back on an afghan passport. regards swede
    WyomingSwede[This message has been edited by WyomingSwede (edited 12-11-2001).]
  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I'm wondering why Hanoi Jane Fonda didn't receive the same treatment?No American citizenshipNo return to this country
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am running low on hog bait.I will bury him to his waste.Make a small cut in his belly.When the hogs come in I will scare them off.Then let him wonder when they will come back.Will also video it for intersted members.Nearly forgot,I will let the hogs come in on the third day.
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.
  • anderskandersk Member Posts: 3,627 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think he should go to trial and see what the jury decides. There may be some mitigating circumstances that we are not aware of.Bottom line for us in America is that he is innocent until proven guilty. If proven guilty, he should face the consequences of his decision to join the enemy fighting against us.For now, I'm praying for wisdom on the part of those involved in the handling of his case.
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