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Ruger Mini-.308
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Why should Jeff Cooper be the only guy to get a rifle made, huh? I went to the Ruger web site and found they have no feedback or e-mail addresses at all -- but they do have a Catalog request form. So I entered my name as NRA Lifer at Gunbroker.com, and in place of the address and State I entered "We NEED a Mini-.308!!! Please give us a Mini-.308!! Please??"
I wonder if anyone is listening. Oh well.... Nothing ventured, nothing gained.... Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket, and all that....
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I wonder if anyone is listening. Oh well.... Nothing ventured, nothing gained.... Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket, and all that....
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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I'm aware of that. Apparently they had some material problems that led to quality issues. I think they should try again with modern materials. I would love to see a scanned picture of the Mini-.308 if you can point me to one on the 'net, or upload one from your literature. Thanks a lot.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
REVISION:
Hey, guess what? Just found another article on the .308 model (Ruger XGI as in "ex-G.I.") and it was originally supposed to accept M14 mags! Nobody believes the wandering zero excuse, by the way.... Bad engineering is probably NOT the reason this rifle was not produced, and everyone whose posts I'm reading agree these rifles, accepting M14 mags, would literally fly off the shelves the first few years, if manufactured today. Personally, I agree, if the mag well accepted the Army surplus .308 boxes.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 09/27/2002 17:48:29
I did a quick Google search and came up with the nature of the prototypes' potential problems being burned barrels, wandering zero, and maybe a few cracked receivers. None of this is absolutely confirmed, nor does any of it sound like something Ruger couldn't have overcome.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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Edited by - DancesWithSheep on 09/27/2002 17:57:42
For some reason he didn't go into, it doesn't have the original Beretta rear sight. It has had a Garand rear sight put on it. I don't know why this was done. I was wondering if perhaps the sights available from Reese were original Beretta, it might be simply a matter of replacing it with one of their sights.
I'm leaning towards buying another, perhaps the Nigerian BM59 or a BM69 would be my choice, but I'd kinda like an Alpine model if I could find one for the right price.
If you would be interested in talking to this guy with the BM62, drop me an e-mail and I'll put you in touch with him. Grant_Reynolds@msn.com. Also, I found a pretty nice board for lovers of the BM59 type rifles, but there are so few BM59 fans out there, people don't post there often. Still, it has some good reference posts. It is:
http://www.machinegunbooks.com/cgibin/ikonboard/forums.cgi?forum=4
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To err is human, to moo is bovine.
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Also, I have discovered that Berben WAS NOT the only importers of Beretta BM rifles straight from Beretta. Some were imported by Bennett, and were assembled completely by Beretta.
The quality of the Springfield/Beretta marked BM59 is far superior to the M1A. There's not a thing wrong with them. According to figures I have read, there were only some 500 of the Springfield/Beretta BM59's made. I believe with the name Beretta and Springfield they are very much collectable, as reflected by their price in the Gun Trader's Guide.
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Often the mind believes it is thinking, when it is only passing from one metaphor to the next.
He has sent jpegs of the Berben he has for sell, with plenty of details, and it was as he described. I doubt someone would go to the BM59 board and try to scam someone like this, there's little reason to seek out someone interested in BM59's to perpetrate a fraud. I'm taking him at his word that he has a few BM type rifles, and assume he's a knowledgeable collector. If he says he has Bennett imported Beretta BM rifles, I am inclined to believe him.
As I said, there are not many fans of the BM rifles, most probably because there are so few people who know anything about them. Even the Springfield Armory version apparently had a production limited to about 500 rifles. But the posts on the BM59 board all speak very highly of the Reese/Springfield/Beretta rifles. The Reese family was, after all, the original owners of Springfield Armory, Inc. and it make sense that they have the remaining Springfield/Beretta rifles.
For anyone interested in the BM series of rifles, I would think you would want to read through the posts on the BM59 board and see what they say.
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The reasons given for the failure of the concept may be true, but it surprises me that they could not be solved. The M1A seems to have worked fine with a cast receiver, but did benefit from a huge pool of proven surplus GI parts for everything else. Knowing the dark side of William Ruger in regard to the magazine capacity limit, and the odd refusal to fix certain things like the awful aluminum ejector rod housings on blue single actions, etc., perhaps the reasons given are not the real ones. With him now gone, perhaps someone will revive the concept.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878