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EMPLOYEE DISARMAMENT POLICY

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
EMPLOYEE DISARMAMENT POLICYBy NICKI FELLENZERHow would you like to work in a place where you're regularly required to work late hours in an unsavory part of town, where your employer will only reimburse you for $15 of your nightly travel expenses - even if it costs you more than that to get home each night, and where you're forced to sign an affidavit swearing that you will not carry a firearm for any reason?Sound like a respectable workplace to you?Well, a friend of mine works in just such a place - along with dozens of others. She frequently remains at work until well after dark - either because she's scheduled to work that late, or because she's an incredibly conscientious person. When she's finished, she takes public transportation back home, because a taxi will cost a lot more than the allotted $15 she can expect as a reimbursement. And the neighborhood is so seedy, that she - a young professional woman - was taken for a streetwalker by one of the scumbags who frequent the area as she stood outside her place of employment one afternoon.But before she could expect to go to work for this stellar employer, she had to promise that she wouldn't get a gun.You'd think she works in some backwater hellhole in China, wouldn't you? Nope.She's an attorney, and her employer..the Bronx District Attorney's Office.That's right. In the middle of the Bronx, many parts of which would make downtown Kabul look like springtime in Shangri La, a young attorney with the District Attorney's office cannot carry a firearm. Not only can she not carry a firearm in the middle of the day, but also..at night, while trying to catch public transportation out of scumbag central.Of course there are folks in that office that have much longer trips home. A cab ride would cost something to the tune of $75, of which only $15 is a reimbursable expense. This is New York, after all. Nothing is cheap. So what is a young woman to do if she can't afford a regular $75 cab ride? Take public transportation and pray she doesn't get raped or killed? Eat the daily bill and skip lunch and dinner? Apply for a concealed carry permit and pray her employers don't find out?This is New York, after all. Concealed carry permits don't grow on trees in a state represented by Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton in the Senate.What kind of an appalling place employs hard-working people, whose everyday job is to ensure justice is done, but refuses to enforce justice on behalf of its employees?Forcing prospective employees to sign an affidavit confirming that they will not apply for a permit to carry a gun is tantamount to forcing them to sign a permission slip for criminals to rob, rape or kill them. As far as I'm concerned, it's equivalent of tying their hands and sending them into a dark Bronx subway with a short skirt and cash sticking out of every pocket. Why would any employer who is in the business of justice demand injustice?I've been trying to figure it out. I can understand that New York City is in dire financial straits after the 9-11 terrorist attacks. I won't fault them for reducing the amount of travel expenses they'll reimburse. Everyone's wallets are stretched to the limit.But this policy of disarming employees has been in effect long before September.So what could be the reason? Political correctness? Criminals shouldn't feel threatened? Cops will feel the lawyers are treading on their turf? Liability? Why would an employer demand an employee remain defenseless as grounds for employment?What will it take to bring to light how foolish and dangerous this policy is? Will it take one young female attorney being raped in the middle of the Bronx on a dark night? How long before the Bronx District Attorney's Office is held liable for an employee who is killed, due to the inability to defend herself?I just hope my friend doesn't become the subject of a rude wake-up call for the Bronx DA's office. The right to self-defense shouldn't be compromised or withheld as a term of employment http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/archive.php?aid=160

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  • songdogsongdog Member Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The way new york loves hillbilly hillory, i do not think she will be in office another term.songdog
    Be bold in what you stand for, careful in what you fall for.
  • OtomanOtoman Member Posts: 554
    edited November -1
    My Employeer has a policy simular to that we are not allowed to carry a firearm in the inside of our company car or in the place of business. I have to do after hours calls at all times of the night and it makes me uncomfortable running around without ole "Smokey". It states in our Policy manual if you are caught with a firearm it is Automatic Termination....
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,601 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We have a similar policy at work. I can't even have a gun in my car even though the state of IN has given me a permit. We had our first workplace violence meeting a few months ago. My question was if we are not allowed to protect ourselves does this mean that the company is taking this responsibility. The 2 bozoos conducting the meeting just looked at each other and finally said "yeah, sure". I've told my wife that if anything would ever happen to me, before she calls a mortician, call my attorney!
    cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    "Non-Lethal" techniques are often not covered by employer policy's-OC-10, Mace, Self-defense training and situational awareness.If all of that fails, please have a good life insurance policy to provide for your family when it all "drops in the pot."I was immediatly terminated once when I asked "Since the ATF does not recognize black powder pistols as a firearm, that's OK right?"Sued, and won a out of court settlement for wrongful termination.
    Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
  • 7mm_ultra_mag_is_king7mm_ultra_mag_is_king Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is one that bugs the livin heck out of me, it is federal DOT rule(not law but tell that to a DOT cop) that as a CDL holder driving a commercial vehicle that we are not allowed to have weapons in the truck. No guns, long knives, clubs or bats. Nothing at all, even a "tire billie" is considered a weapon in the eyes of DOT and depending on the circumstanses you can be arrested. We truck drivers including day cabs and straight trucks put ourselves in more dangerous positions evry week than most people will do in ten years. You aughta see some of the places we have to spend the night. Would you want to stay in oakland ca over night at the old 76 stop, or in compton in some back alley? How about NYC? even places you would think as safe are not, rest areas and some truckstops. Go to Cherry Ave an Fontana and stay there. Point made, why cant we protect ourselves? The DOT book says it is for the safety of the inspecting officer! Well kiss my$!@# ! What about me?! Dont I count? Are we truckers not worth as much as a regular Joe? Even in states that allow concealed carry we cant have them in the trucks. I carry mine in the truck because I will take my chances with a jury over a mortician any day.
    when all else fails........................
  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    7mm-Reminds me of what a Platoon Sgt. once said to me-"I'd rather be judged by 12, than be carried by 6"
    Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
  • Mom MomMom Mom Member Posts: 169 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To add to Matts suggestion: Pepper spray, can now be purchased in convienent key ring sizes. Knives: avaialble in a wide variety of sizes and types, many of which fit nicely in a purse. I'm assumming the DA's uilding has security guards/ police officers: ask them for an escort to the transportation; it's kind of like having your own persoanl bodyguard. If it annoys them to do this, maybe they will complain enough to get the policy changed.
  • Diesel DummyDiesel Dummy Member Posts: 193 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey 7mm, I'm sure you've noticed all the DOT officers carry a pistol now. Guess it's to protect themselves from all us maniacal trailer truckers(?)
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nothing is worth more than your life...No job especially.
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Supermonkey......Imwichu.Never had a job that I valued more than my life or my family's security.Mudge the armed
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I too am prohibited from bringing weapons into my office and in my "company car". Ever drive through a nasty reservation neighborhood at 11pm? My job takes me there sometimes. I'm not being racist. I'm merely reflecting what one of the reservation ambulance drivers related to me in a conversation.
  • boogerbooger Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We had no policy whatsoever and if you were legally carrying, then that was A-O.K.Then, this * who is gun guy wannabe, buys a new Mossberg 590 (I think) with the heat shield, extended tube etc. etc. and carries it into work un-cased to show it off. This literally freaks several people out who assume he's gonna start shooting up the place. Now who here is stupid enough to just carry a new gun to work un-cased to show it off???????? Within a month we had a strict policy of termination if caught with a firearm.P.S. Carrying a firearm at my job is a good idea, not paranoia, and now we can't, but some do, hehehe.
    Them ducks is wary.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I once worked in a place like that, it almost costed me my life ,and the compensation Sucked! $7,000. and they went bankrupt before i was able to slap them a $5,000,000.Civil rights case. Name of the Company BARKERS My job (security manager) The only thing that saved me ....I improvised a weapon and was able to scape... The suspects got away and at a later date killed a LEO in another town ... a gun might have being the difference in the fate of that officer ,From that date NO ONE decides my policy on GUNS and no one decides my right to CCW or not in my job.
    Ignis Natura Renovatur Integram
  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    I currently work for a company with that same policy. I work on the Southside of B'ham, its not the Bronx, but its where B'ham's projects are located.I am an investigator for a law firm. An investigator, with a state issued ccw, and they made me sign the cover sheet stating that I read the no firearms policy.I signed it, told the attorney that I'm assigned to that I WILL be carrying and that if they feel the need to terminate me for same, then do so. He opened his briefcase and showed me his snub .38. So, I'll have no problems until I actually have to defend myself.
  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Went walking into a business I no longer work at... Carrying a 22" pump shotgun, and an AC-556 (Mini-14,full auto/3round selective/or semi)Business had bullet holes in several places, along with a security system (with bullet proof glass)to keep unauthorized persons out.I was able to bypass those systems. Greeted several people before walking into the CEO's office to show him my new toys. I guess if your not really a threat, people don't treat you as one. Plus the CEO really liked my new toys. Strick no guns on premises. Mostly for insurance purposes, I guess. Can't think of anybody that didn't have one in their toolbox at some time or another, or that didn't admire mine while I was there.7mm, I understand your concerns. Been to Fontana and back. Had a cannon stuck in my face in N. Miami (probably a 9mm)while they relieved me of my lunch money for the week, plus a couple I had stashed back.Had a .45 Colt with me that trip and it didn't do me any good. Picked up a load in Williamsport,Pa last week, heading S.(running from the snow)after 4 stops on the island.
    Have Gun, will travel
  • arthur wellingarthur welling Member Posts: 66 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Humph....'Gun rules' at my employer:If I step out back to fire a few rounds, I had better of brought enough ammunition to let everyone else shoot too.
  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Arthur Welling, Now that is the kind of job every body needs. (As long as it pays enough to buy the ammo)
    Have Gun, will travel
  • rg666rg666 Member Posts: 395 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sum it up in Two words- Clinton, Shumer. RG
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My policy is a) don't bring up the issue at work, b) if it is brought up, don't comment. Concealed carry means just that. In my state of Indiana, showing someone your concealed weapon can be characterized as "brandishing," which is not a good thing for your permit. My coats, duffels, gym bags, book bags, briefcase, etc, always have plenty of zip pockets, velcro, compartments and loose dimensions so that whatever might be in there may be fully concealed. If necessary to keep prying eyes out of your stuff when you're away from your station, some compartments may even be outfitted with a lock, with the key on your keyring. Cardboard may be folded and used to line any pocket or compartment to disguise the outline of "feel" of whatever might be in there. I feel the right to some confidentiality -- whether I might carry medication, extra glasses, or any other tool I might need in the course of the day -- if you get my meaning. Chances are I'll never need my gun at work, ever, but if I ever did, the circumstances would be so serious that whatever regulation applied would shrink to insignificance. If somebody at work went "postal" I might have an equal chance of getting a medal as getting fired -- and frankly, I wouldn't much give a damn which, so long as an armed perp didn't go about killing us off unchallenged.
    "The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
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