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More religious stuff (definitely offensive)

Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Religion is good as is a base for man evolution into a higher form of being .......

IS IT ????

If you search history archives you find that 90% of the wars have initiated by religious cause , in the mid-east make that 110% for future planed wars are based on it too, American infidels against Arab jihad.....

If you read all the content in www.wingmakers.com you will find the music content is highly hypnotic to subdue individuals in a new type of RELIGION based in wingmakers mythology ....

See stargate docs at www.ou-research.com ...

The part that reads:To USE induced halucinations and voices as to
imitate GODS, ET's, Alah , Saints or spirits to attain submission and control of groups and individuals ....

ET phone home ! Jesus Take me to heaven ! The greener pasture at the other side syndrome ,guide me ! take me to heaven ! The rapture
UFO pic me UP ! Teleport me ! beam me UP ! .

Always avoiding personal responsability by giving his rights to a MASTER ........ Fabricating booses and stone idols to take us away from the real problems ..... with false promise of paradise always at the "other" better place , a heaven elsewere ....so we let the demons
of greed and power rule over us here ....

http://www.xenu.net/ Read about a fight against one of the "fabricated" Booses "Dianetics"

I think that is the idea ..... Heed the rod of punisment here summit to the rule, for paradise awaits you at HEAVEN in that mistic place
elsewere but not here (devils turf) don't touch anything leave it as is , the matrix , the system , World Goverment ETC.

But reality is that real teachings of the true masters IN ALL religions teach the opposite.....

"Let thy kindom come to EARTH" (christian)

"Paradise is here and now " (Budha)

"Turn earth into a garden and bear the fruits of paradise" (Islam)

But still people fall for the lies of the wicked ,summiting to the will of the usurpers, waging their wars for money beleiving the lies
of deceit , what else can be said to make people wake up!!!!

Or we must let the nukes state their final "Judgment" with their "divine" fire of purification....As world "leaders" grow
rich with the business......Christian church flooded by pedofiles
and protestan too bussy making money .Jehova Witness waiting for the lord to take over ,7 day affiliates overdue by 60 years "days" and still waiting ,and no one moves a finger waiting for the lord to come, (Is not quite difficult to know were all of them will end if he does).

You decide...... the key to "Heaven" or "Hades" is in each individual hands.. Use wisely....All of us are GODS hands...let's do our work!
be it for Alah,jehova ,Budda,Yahve,or just plain atheist ... let's do it ! Be responsible for your actions ,don't blame the devil or GOD.

Paradise on earth for all.....a better place to live! for future generations ....

I think the US constitution was part of that .....Don't You???

JD

Poor choice of destiny make thoose that for upholding the law go against the "LAW".

Comments

  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    I'm with Mudge on this stuff.

    Will the agn.......you know.


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    The more I learn about religion the more I like my cat.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Good to see you back, Dread!

    By the way: Can you fix my UFO for me? She's knockin' something fierce under the hood.
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You know Judge,that in spite of angering the "sheep",I think you are on to something.I believe myself a Deist and do not hold much faith in any words written by men,whatever the sect.I feel that when the time is right,God,the Higher Power,or whatever you choose to believe,will make His/Her intentions known to us.In the meantime,I like to enjoy Gods works anyway I can.Riding my motorcycle down a country road in the springtime and talking to Him/Her does me alot of good.Hiking in the mountains does it too.Different strokes for different folks,you know? And afterall,when my timecomes to leave this plane of existance,I will be judged by what I have done,rather than what I said,or where I said it.So is nature a church for me? I guess so.

    Only the strong survive...well maybe also some weak ones with lots of ammo!
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry Judge....You ain't suckin' me into this one. The one that Supermonkey started got the "Christers" goin' WAAAAYYY over the top quoting scripture.

    Mudge the atheist

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So the Nazis, Communists and North Vietnamese were all fighting over
    religion?
  • budmottbudmott Member Posts: 155 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    God so loved the world that He gave His
    only begotten Son. Gee, seems simple
    to me, of course my simple mindedness will
    probably be accused of "God forbid"
    quoting scriptures. Silly me. I know
    go away blue boy.

    even later still,
    bud

    If it weren't for lawyers, I wouldn't need a lawyer.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So the Nazis, Communists and North Vietnamese were all fighting over
    religion?

    GODD !!!! and it took you so many years to realize that !!!!!!

    Communist Nazis and Vietnamese were SATAN on the intent of atheizing the world...HEHEHE (Remember the presidential addres to congress)

    And now Aren't we the Christian forces defending democracy from the AXIS of EVILLLLLL !!!!! ?????

    Bush (Mabus) public statements.....

    JD

    Poor choice of destiny make thoose that for upholding the law go against the "LAW".
  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry Judge, but those regimes were patently antiGod. The Communists
    shut down churches and murdered Christians. The Nazis murdered Jews, the chosen people of God. If you check your history books, the societies that reject God are the ones that fall into depravity and ruin.
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Dread,
    How about you tell me which floor you are on, and I'll come over and visit with my wife and kids, maybe even bring the cat, cats are soothing ya know. Nice to see you're still around, I kind of missed you, honest.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thunderbolt...how do you explain the fact that tha nazi's had "God is with us" on their belt buckles? They were not anti-God,they were anti-Sematic and anti everyone else who did not believe as they did.Sounds like some groups today dosen't it?
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I watched "The Seige at Ruby Ridge" the other night and Vicky, played by Laura Dern, spouted some awful wild stuff in this movie. They'd have these Bible studies where every word they read "meant" something else, like it was all in code and only they had the codebook. These are the people that annoy me. Christians have thought it was the "endtimes" in every generation since Jesus died and the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. There are people in this country who are more dangerous because of their personal interpretation of religion than almost any other single motivator. Conspiracy theorists seem downright reasonable compared to some of these people who are convinced they know who Satan is, what the "rapture" is all about, and what precise rewards they will receive in heaven. They are also very big on opinions about false prophets. One cleric I used to know was sure he was going to be king of his own planet.

    I do know one thing. There are lots of higher powers than us individuals, from bad luck to mother nature. Lennon may have been onto something when he said "life is what happens to us while we are making other plans." We don't control much. We may plot a course, but things "happen" along the way that sometimes change everything beyond our power to change it back. I like what they say in Alcoholics Anonymous: "The first thing you need to understand about God is, you're not him." That much is pretty clear, if we're paying attention at all. On the other hand, people's varying opinions about god have been responsible for an incomprehensible amount of misery throughout history and for the most part it's safe to say those opinions amounted little more than bs, no matter how deeply held.

    Hence, the embarrassed reaction to George W.'s use of the term "crusade."

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Offeror...X-ring...I too am a friend of Bill W. and like alot of the non-demoninational thinking I find there. I pray the 3rd step prayer daily and it works for me.Different people believe differently and I respect that.However,there will always be people who feel that it is their "mission" in life to educate the supposedly ignorant.They do not know any better.It is as though they have been brain-washed that way.I concider myself a Deist.Alot of people cannot accept my choice and let it go at that.They assume that I need to believe as they do.They are sadly mistaken.
  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Brushy, the Nazis did not follow God, or they couldn't have murdered his chosen people, the Jews. Then, as now, actions speak louder than words.
  • mousemouse Member Posts: 3,624
    edited November -1
    i'm in agreement with Thunderbolt. Marx and Hitler we're both Satanists actually. Don't know about Vietnam. Jefferson was a Deist, yes. You are correct. I personally don't consider a Deist a
    christian thou.
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mouse...you are correct! Deists are not Christians the way YOU JUDGE people to be Christians.Howaver,it might interest you to read what Deism is all about.You may learn something.That is unless you concider people who believe differently than you not worth your time.In that case you are as narrowminded as any of the other "Fundamentalist Fanatics" out there.And that includes religions other than Christian,if you get my point.The choice is up to you.No one,especially me,is asking you to change the way you believe,only open your mind to some of the other choices out there.It's called LEARNING...look into it.

    Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bushy --
    Brain-washed is a term that has negative connotations in some folks' minds. I like the term indoctrinated. It's a word that means about the same thing, but you can converse about indoctrination without ticking people off right away. I believe there are kids in our country being indoctrinated into ways of thinking and believing that run the gamut of belief systems. There are some radical systems out there, but luckily, because our country works pretty well for most people, they are in the minority. Some of these belief systems will eventually get the believers into trouble, or paint them into a corner when it comes to fitting into the world, or place them at odds with society in one way or another. It's a big subject, and I'm not going to write an essay here, I just was thinking about this last night and so it seemed appropriate to mention it since you brought up the idea of brain-washing. We ourselves have been indoctrinated, but it's more obvious when you look at groups with "unusual" belief systems, from the Amish to the gangs to the militant militias to the KKK to the Black Muslims. Indoctrination is powerful. Sometimes it's used, consciously, as a tool, and sometimes it happens to people inadvertently almost by virtue of their surroundings. The best trait to have to counteract an unfortunate indoctrination is open-mindedness -- something many of the "brain-washed" have a short supply of. Never lose the ability to learn new information. Never become so convinced of things that no further discussion is useful. At least, that's my attitude.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Offeror...you are correct,my learned friend,perhaps brain-washed is too strong a term.However, I am constantly amazed at the number of people out there that recoil from any new or different way of seeing things as if it was a rattlesnake.I still enjoy learning new things,and hopefully will learn new things every day until I die.Religion,politics,and guns make strange bed-fellows and stimulate great discussions.Some people will never open their minds because their minds are made up.I think that is their loss.

    Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.

    Definitely this is a good one !!!! Says a lot !

    Poor choice of destiny make thoose that for upholding the law go against the "LAW".
  • sodbustersodbuster Member Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ..If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. Isaiah 7:9
    I've been reading this and other posts,(lurking), and if you look at the total number of readers of these posts, it looks like there is quite a bit of interest. Before I go any farther, please be assured that I am not going to try to change anybodys faith, or lack of it, because I don't feel that a message board over the internet is the best place to accomplish this. I found a cute little story that I'd like to share. It reminded me of the frustration that some have felt on these posts. I am a Christian. I am a member of The Assembly of God Church.

    As legend has it, a just and good man went to Sodom one day, hoping to save the city from God's judgement. He tried talking to the first individual and then the next, but nobody would engage in conversation with him.
    Next, he tried carrying a picket sign that had "Repent" written on it in large letters. Nobody paid any attention to his sign after an initial glance.
    Finally he began going from street to street and from marketplace to marketplace, shouting loudly, "Men and Women, repent! What you are doing is wrong. It will kill you! It will destroy you!"
    The people laughed at him, but still he went about shouting. One day, a person stopped him and said, Stranger, can't you see that your shouting is useless?" The man replied, "Yes, I see that," The person then asked, "So why do you continue?"
    The man said, "When I arrived in this city, I was convinced that I could change them, Now I continue shouting because I don't want them to change me."
    Speak out for those things you believe to be true and good. If you remain silent, others may take your silence as agreement with their position-which may not be at all what you believe.

    "Just my opinion."
  • WIN52CWIN52C Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    To quote George Carlin, " there is an invisible man, up in the sky, he will punish you for anything you do wrong, but he loves you and he needs your money" That may not be an exact quote but it's pretty close and very thought provoking.
  • mousemouse Member Posts: 3,624
    edited November -1
    I do love each of you. If I saw someone beating you up, or stabbing you with a knife, I'd use my own body to shelter you. I'd grab a board and fight for you. You are entitled to your own thoughts and beliefs. Don't assume my own strong beliefs an intolerance of yours.
    This is a free country. I don't go along to get along however. No go with the flow in this girl. Thank you very much!!
  • NOTPARSNOTPARS Member Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For Judge Dread:
    I teach history, but confess, I must have missed a lot. 90% of all wars were started over religion? Care to list them? You might find that the 90% figure is a bit, shall we say "exaggerated." Unfortunately such fatuous statistics become accepted as fact, to the point of becoming urban legends, because those who are opposed to any form of religion accept them uncritically.
    Even if your statistic were true, (but you'll find more people have been killed in wars started by atheists: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot to name some recent examples) it would not prove nor disprove the validity of religious faith. It would only prove what God has said about human beings all along, a fallen creature, is in fact true!
    Finally, I think, Christians are fortunate that what they have is a personal relationship and not a religion. Religion, including Christian ones, are merely man's effort to reach God and or become "good enough" to be in communion with God. Since God's standard is perfection, it will never work hence the need for a personal relationship with Christ and not the practice of some religious system.

    P.S. As a Christian I don't find your post offensive. People should
    be able to dialogue without getting angry, unless they are
    disrespected or unsure of themselves. If you ask a Christian
    something and they get angry, they may be new Christians and a
    little intimidated is all. Christ was denounced from the start,
    even from within his own family (his half brother James), some
    of his followers (Peter), his own religion, and many others. To
    the point that they killed him. His followers should expect
    nothing less than a rough treatment as well. Take it as an
    opportunity to talk with people about these issues.





    Edited by - NOTPARS on 05/28/2002 14:02:49
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    3 things that most motivate men to kill each other ...

    Religion....

    Sex.........

    Money ......

    On history, It allways will adjust itself to the truth of the winning
    side ...Dressen was not "Genocide" just and act of self-defense....
    And if war was not religious Why the only Christian citys of JAPAN were nuked ???? it is clear now their estrategic importance was not
    critical but the prescence of catholics was ......


    JD


    Poor choice of destiny make thoose that for upholding the law go against the "LAW".
  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can't pass up a chance to speak up for the Lord. This is the devil's world. He has taken all that God created and somehow with his perverted outlook on things and with the help of Adam and Eve not Edward and Steve (another of satan's perversions)and turned good things into bad.

    The world is full of religions and you can choose one to believe. That broad road that leads to destruction is a freeway. God's Word says the way that leads to Heaven is narrow and there will be few that find it. That's pretty evident from some of these ill begotten post.

    By the way "Not all roads lead to God".

    "Save the whalers, they need jobs too."
  • squeakycsqueakyc Member Posts: 204 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Religion is the root of all evil.
  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    jd- i disagree bout the war/religon deal- war isn't usually started by religon, but, boy, religon sure seems to fan the flames...

    "let not your work smack of the trowel, nor your words cause a blow from one either..."
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    "My way or the highway" is a phrase used to sum up the attitude of egotistical humans who are selfish, arrogant, closed-minded, elitist, stubborn, anti-social, fatally flawed ... none of which are positive traits by anybody's definition of right and wrong. Therefore, when I hear that attitude being broadcast, I recognize the "fruits" and beware.

    Actually, more wars are probably fought over who's "right" than anything else. Not everyone who is sure they are right can possibly be right, right? That means many people, perhaps a great many people, are deluded. If history proves anything, it is that people can be gullible beyond reason.

    Since the only thing we have above the animals is reason and "free will," I assume we were meant to think for ourselves (and take care of the animals if we have compassion).

    In purest terms, my dog is the most religious being I know personally. She loves and forgives, does not hate, keeps her "temple" clean, does the next right thing all day long - and lives in harmony with nature. She is also inquisitive, enjoys life, knows how to cooperate, and probably trusts some people and other dogs that she shouldn't, but that's not her fault. Funny, she's never read a holy book, but I'll bet she is more deserving of going to some kind of heaven than many of us.

    I think a lot of the time our curse is believing beyond a shadow of a doubt that "we're right and they're wrong," and feeling sorry for those you think are wrong doesn't make you one bit more righteous or any less egomaniacal.

    Worse, some people don't appear to have a conscience, at least not one they're in touch with. This may be the real problem. If all of us were in touch with our "spiritual side," perhaps there would be no criminals. Maybe everyone could live and let live. But organized religions have rules, and rules were made to be disagreed with, and get stuck in the craw.

    I don't have the antidote for what's wrong with the human species, but I have a feeling we have made a muck of reason, free will, religious enlightenment and a lot of other important things much of the time. We are prone to misinterpretation. We are not that bright, in general. We have either too little imagination, or too much. We are superstitious. We don't have the answers, and if we do we can't find them or we have got them translated wrong. We substitute rules for understanding, and get the rules wrong. Our most intelligent people can't find the way out of the maze. If they could, they'd lead us to a better condition. So our mental capacity (IQ, if you like) is not sufficiently developed to establish the "right" course.

    Some religious folk don't believe in evolution, but if we don't get a lot smarter, we may be screwed for good.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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