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In your opinion would this be morally wrong

NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
I found an add for M-1 Garands for sale,Ive been wanting one really bad for a long time.I read the add only to find out the Goverment was offering them for sale,unissued original GI,price was not disclosed.But I read on to find out they were availiable to active or Honorabley Discharged Military Personnel only.And to purchase one you had to write or contact a Army Base in Florida,for further details.I work with some guys who were enlisted before they joined the force,and said they would be glad to get one and let me buy it.I know its legal if the guns are reasonabley priced and what I want.I could have them get one and sell it to me.I feel that it might be unethical for me to do this.I dont want to take something away from a Vet.I dont know how many they are,or even if they are what I want.Would you give me your views on the Matter,Im probably not going to do it,something just tells me its wrong.And I sure wouldnt enjoy it feeling that way.May I have your opinions Please?

Thanks in Advance!

Rugster
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    AS I live in Florida, get the name of the Military base, and I will check into it, as I am also looking for an M1

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    How much are they and do you need to go through an ffl?

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • jaoobjaoob Member Posts: 441 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Something tells me this might be a scam of some sort. Government selling unissued M1s just does not sound right to me. If it does not involve your money I would check it out further. I see nothing wrong in having a friend get one and sell it to you. After all you are serving your country also. Just my thoughts.

    Jim
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I see no problem with it, except that you want to be sure the deal is square. They shouldn't be charging more than about $400 each to a serviceman, I would think, since they're mil surplus anyway, so you might get a great deal. Somebody at the base apparently wants to dispose of some inventory. Having somebody close by there handle it gives it the personal touch that will help you avoid getting burned on your purchase, I would imagine. Best of luck.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    rugster --

    It just occurred to me that it might be MORE morally wrong not to give one or two of those nice new Garands a good home with members of this sterling board. When you ask them how much, I expect a suitable "goal post victory dance" if they reply in the neighborhood of $400 rather than $800.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • Norman DogNorman Dog Member Posts: 470 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Without getting into any possible legal issues regarding the transfer of the rifle, I don't see anything morally wrong with what you are proposing. You aren't cheating a vet - the person buying the M1 would be a serviceman in full compliance with the requirements of the sale. You aren't stealing from anyone - the rifle would be sold to you by the legal owner. You aren't lying to anyone about the deal. So, you aren't lying, cheating, or stealing - does that about cover it?

    Veritas morsum, autem veritas est verus

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  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it sounds too good to be true??!!!

    I might not always tell you the truth, but I will never lie to you!
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm with Jaoob on this--something doesn't smell right. An individual military base usually can't just "sell-off" unused/unwanted property. Most equipment has to go to other government agencies first, then if it's not needed, on to public auction.

    For firearms there are things like the CMP, and there might be some other program happening in this case, but I'd recommend you look at things real carefully before sending anyone any money.

    As for your "moral question", as long as there is no stipulation that the purchasing vet. is supposed to keep the rifle, I'd say go for it!
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Classic,other guys,Macdill Air Force Base in Tampa Florida is the place to contact.My wife got the magazine I first found it in but I finally found it.All this one says is M-1 Garands for sale by US Goverment direct fully functional from Federal Arsenals US Army Program.Also they have M-1 Carbines,contact Macdill Air Force Base in Tampa Florida. If anyone finds out anything I would appreciate the info.

    Best!!

    Rugster
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  • EOD GuyEOD Guy Member Posts: 931 ✭
    edited November -1
    All you will get for your money is information on the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Any US citizen is elegible to purchase from them after meeting certain qualifications. The Garands are not unissued original rifles. Such things do not exist outside a museum.
    See the link for information on the program.

    http://www.odcmp.com
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it is not being sold through the CMP, then it's a FRAUD.

    The Government doesn't sale used arms that way, and DOD doesn't let them go directly to civilians. Someone doing this would have to have an FFL.

    Do not fall for this one.

    Trinity +++

    "Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."(Proverbs 22:6)
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know of some veterans that will sell their mothers and sisters...
    Maybe you can find some to sell their guns...

    For the mother-sister issue you know in advance one is used so get the other with papers ....(Brand new)

    HARRR HARRR HARRR !

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    not even partly amusing JD

    Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
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  • NagantShooterNagantShooter Member Posts: 29 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds kinda shady to me. I don't like trusting magzine ads'. Although you might try 1-800-944-GUNS, they usually have a fine selection and GREAT prices on guns. Although they might not have any all together.
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  • mybadodgemybadodge Member Posts: 118 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rugster,

    I am right down the street from Macdill, was there a number or P.O.C to contact? sounds fishy but I'll check into if you like

    Bob
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it turns out to be the CMP program then there's nothing new there, other than the fact I wasn't aware they had any M1 Carbines for sale. They will be used guns, at around $400 for the Garands.

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    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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