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"Disappearing" al-Qaeda Prisoners
Bullzeye
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Based on what I've been hearing (and reading) from a number of sources, apparently a fair number of captured al-Qaeda have been mysteriously "transferred" to countries such as Israel, Egypt, and Pakistan.
Here's where it gets a little Judge Dread-esque. Some of these "transfers" were apparently arranged between known CIA operatives and foreign intelligence representatives, and carried out using CIA Lear-Jets and Gulfstream IVs. The agencies the prisoners were transferred to included Egypt's GDSSI (General Directorate of State Security Investigations), and Israel's Mossad.
Israel obviously would be glad to help us, but Egypt's participation is more surprising. Ever since Nasser's reign, Islamic fundamentalists have been trying to wrest power away from the democratically elected government. They've been mortal enemies for a long time, and the government has suffered many attacks, so they understandably harbor no love for terrorists.
In fact, the GDSSI for years has been accused of torturing Islamic radicals to obtain information. In 1986, forty GDSSI officers went on trial for 422 charges of torture that were brought by members of a terrorist group called Al-Jihad (later believed to be responsible for the massacre of 56 foreign tourists at the temple of Hatshepsut in November 1997).
I think this may be a double-edged sword. It's clearly an effective way to get around the US's prohibition on torture in any circumstances, and torture may just be the only thing that can crack some of these tough nuts (so to speak). But on the other hand, it's a possible publicity nightmare, and who's to say that the Iraqis or the Palestinians wont take this as a cue to torture THEIR prisoners (assuming they dont do it already *COUGH*)?
What are your feelings on this?
Here's where it gets a little Judge Dread-esque. Some of these "transfers" were apparently arranged between known CIA operatives and foreign intelligence representatives, and carried out using CIA Lear-Jets and Gulfstream IVs. The agencies the prisoners were transferred to included Egypt's GDSSI (General Directorate of State Security Investigations), and Israel's Mossad.
Israel obviously would be glad to help us, but Egypt's participation is more surprising. Ever since Nasser's reign, Islamic fundamentalists have been trying to wrest power away from the democratically elected government. They've been mortal enemies for a long time, and the government has suffered many attacks, so they understandably harbor no love for terrorists.
In fact, the GDSSI for years has been accused of torturing Islamic radicals to obtain information. In 1986, forty GDSSI officers went on trial for 422 charges of torture that were brought by members of a terrorist group called Al-Jihad (later believed to be responsible for the massacre of 56 foreign tourists at the temple of Hatshepsut in November 1997).
I think this may be a double-edged sword. It's clearly an effective way to get around the US's prohibition on torture in any circumstances, and torture may just be the only thing that can crack some of these tough nuts (so to speak). But on the other hand, it's a possible publicity nightmare, and who's to say that the Iraqis or the Palestinians wont take this as a cue to torture THEIR prisoners (assuming they dont do it already *COUGH*)?
What are your feelings on this?
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Don't get me wrong i think we have our hands tied sometimes
and i wish nothing more then to see an eye for an eye..But if something like this was going on why have we not heard of it...
I can't have feelings until i know a little more
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Nitrouz - so you are saying that this country's people do not need to know what it's own forces are doing - even though they are fighting for idea's and freedoms of Democracy? Is this an Oxymoron or Irony?
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As a fresh, wet-behind-the-ears recruit of 18 years (nudge, nudge-wink, wink), I think you should ask yourself the question;
Would you do it of your own volition or even if someone ordered it done?
Your answer will be interesting, predictable, but interesting just the same.
Clouder..
too ....
Just think! as someone outlaws your way of thinking and railroads you to a total control....urban legend or legendary nightmare the future depairs for all of us .....
Over 5,000 kids dissapear in US yearly....has BUSH declared a war on pedophyles or satanists ? ....the answer is no! why? .....
They dont have petroleum!!!!!
JD
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
Heck, war is serious business with some people.
Africa is a strange place, hell look at Libya and their new and improved attitude. As a "former" terror training and supporting country they are now publically agianst it.
C & P... I like that
*If there is one gun for every 7 people in the world, I'm saving alot of people money*
tinfoilhat rumors.
Have to agree with Ladr on this one.
"You attract more flies with honey, than you do with vinegar." Of course you have to find the right people who like honey, but you end up with reliable information that way.
Torture can yield poor information, can be bad for your own side's morale, and is just not a good policy if one claims to respect human rights.
The only possible application of "torture"--I prefer the term "brutal interrogation"--I could find somewhat acceptable is when innocent lives are at immediate risk and speedy information could save those innocent lives. A good example would be a kidnapped person, still unrescued, but one of the kidnappers is caught--the need for immediate information would be critical.
Find it with a search engine and READ THIS LETTER .....
The notion arabs nations favor US is a big pile of dung!
They favor their religion first ,second and third after that nothing
else exept our money and weapons , they know if they want to strangle us we will sell them the rope ........and some made in US boxcutters
to cut the rope and bring down the corpse!
SIMPLE AS THAT !
JD
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
Your solution would be interesting -- what would these poor martyrs do with 70 virgins when they got to Allah's heaven THEN???
Not the most uplifting humor, I admit, but a funny thought nonetheless. Perhaps such men would then AVOID the shame of suicide bombing in order not to meet their virgins "unequipped."
Which only underlines what "hooey" the whole concept of heaven for bombers is. Every bomber has had his equipment blown off for sure. It would make a good Twilight Zone episode. A bunch of workmen show up at Allah's pearly gates with a dismantled jewish deli -- "here's Hamid -- you just have to scrape him off this stuff and stick him in a jar with his roomful of virgins."
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878