A New Way To Stop DeadBeat Dads

Nighthawk

According to Guns and Gear the State of Maine has discovered a new way of getting dead beat dads.They are suspending Hunting and fishing License as well as Drivers License.They collected $32,000.00 from one dad,and have ordered more than 1,200 license suspensions.According to the report they have made 238 payment agreements since January.

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Lowrider

Another slick little news media catch-phrase - "Deadbeat Dads." Are the authorities making any attempt to recover money from the various fathers (if they can even be identified) of the half-dozen kids of each and every deadbeat welfare mom? What about the scumbags in prison who have a dozen kids running around, all with different mothers, all probably drawing welfare?

All these B.S. state laws for strong-arming child support payments from "deadbeat dads" usually only apply to working men who are easy to find.

What about "deadbeat moms" who abandoned their family and left dad to raise the kids? Shouldn't they be hunted down and forced to pay child support?

I have a friend who fell on hard times with his construction business, and of course, since he wasn't in the chips anymore, his old lady of 16 years figured that was a good time to leave him and find a more successful man. This poor dude was ordered to pay 2200 bucks per month for the support of the three kids that he didn't want to leave in the first place. His ex kept the house and he got to make 50% of the mortgage payments. He gets to see his kids one weekend each month. But if he has a bad month and can't scrape together the $2200, as far as the state and the PC news media is concerned, he's a "deadbeat dad."

What a batch of *.

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gunpaq

A dead beat dad often times is a caring hard working responsible man who is a victim of the system's bias in favor of the mother, usually a pyscho wife who is out for revenge, and has a support order far beyond his capability of earning imposed on him which is often retroactive. If he goes hunting or fishing, that recreational time can, and often is, be assessed for an income potential "if the * has time to hunt & fish, he has time to work". In most states, especially in Pennsylvania, the mother or custodial parent has no accountability whatsoever or fiducial responsiblity for the support dollars received from the father or defendant............in other words the money could be goping for beer and cigaretts and not for the childs food, clothing and shelter. I fear not the FBI, IRS, BATF, CIA, or Columbian Drug Hit Squads, but I tremble with fear in the presence of the DRS (Domestic Relations Section). The support laws presume the man is guilty until he can prove himself less guilty regardless of his innocents. Don't get me wrong there are thousands of guys that are scum bags that deserve evreything they get but the DRS laws and policies make no distinction between them and the responsible lawabiding Joe Blow. In our present society single motherhood is championed by popular culture and politicians seeking votes and these well intentioned laws to snag the bad guys are really meant to snag all the guys and limit their parental and constitutional rights. Your hunting/fishing license and drivers license can be pulled or denied at any time simply by an unfounded claim that a man is in arrears with support. It is usually the policy, especially in PA, for the courts not to prosecute single mothers of children for swearing a false statement unless a violent felony is involved. I said enough, I need to go cool off..

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pikeal1

most of the posts here are people bit@hing about the good ones that get screwed. how bout the ones that really are a piece of * and deserve to sit in jail for a while and think things over.

my girl has a son and the dad has yet to pay one red cent for anything. He is a real POS and wont get a real job just so he doesnt have to pay a dime. he gets paid under the table..doesnt own anything...and wont pitch in a penny. The best part is that he has been living out of state for three of the four years the kid has been around...he has the nerve to call and demand to speak with him and then yells at my girl because the kid doesnt call him. The baby is supposed to start preschool now, and it isn't cheap. She has told him to send the money...but he wont send anything.

I told her that if he doesn't send anything for school, then she should cut him off completely. the kid is too young and doesnt need to be confused by this guy calling claiming to be the father. maybe technically he is the father...but as far as being A father...he is a scumbag.

Iconoclast

I agree with everything said here. There are real scumbags out there, of both genders, who abandon kids or use them as weapons against a former spouse / partner. And there are sincere, hard-working fathers who are totally screwed by the system. Unfortunately, the family courts, various state agencies & etc. seem to view most all men in the same light and paint all of them with the same brush. I suspect there are more dykes & ultra feminists in those positions than in any other place in society, all of them using the authority to conduct gender war . . . and any man who dares to challenge this is in instant trouble.

kimberkid

I've said it before and I'll say it again ... the best way to get a deadbeat parent to pay their child support is to make it tax deductable to the paying parent ... 90% of the time the paying parent gets no benifit of paying support while the receiving parent uses it for everything but "child support" and doesn't have to declare it as income while using the child as a tax deduction and/or credit.

Thanks for letting me vent ... I'm one that has always paid my support on time and have also put away about $10,000 in her college fund (that neither she or her mother knows about) while her mother lives in a nice new home, drives new cars and is on her 2nd husband since we divorced ... and hasn't saved a penny. While I live in a nice older home and in a nice older part of town and drive nice old cars, its mostly from working 2 jobs and internet sales on the side plus I'm fortunate enough to have a wife that has a good paying job which has allowed me to quit working outside the home and go back to school for the last year ... hopefully to make more money ... of course, then she'll probably get my child support raised again ... sometimes the law is just wrong.

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kimberkid...totally agree with your statement. Personally I have paid ckild support for over 15 years, it started out a $660.00 per month and is now over $2,000.00/month. Everytime my ex thinks I get a increase in income, she has me back in court, and all income records, bank accounts, investment records, etc. are subpoenaed and verified, and the amount of child support is increased. Naturally, this is stressful, and I have to pay at least $1,500.00 in attorney fees and court costs, but it's the system.

Next month I will be able to emancipate my daughter as she is turning 22, and I will no longer have to pay to my ex through the courts. I'm looking forward to the day I can just discuss matters and needs with my daughter, and send her the money directly and not have to deal with the courts and my ex.

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4GodandCountry

There are many instances where the dead beat dad is the victom, but I know several dead beat dads who should be forced to pay there child support and more. One guy owes over twenty five thousand dollars in back payments. Another guy works for his families buisness and his parents pay him mostly under the table so his child support is based off minimum wage and he lives in a nice big house and pays 20 dollars a week child support for two boys. And there are several others who get away with non payment or under payment as well. But then I know others who can barely afford to live because their child support creates such a burden on them. The system is a joke. The state in many cases keeps part of the money if they are forced to get involved in the recovery of back payments.

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pikeal1

Its really sad when a marriage breaks up, its even sadder when someone decides to take advantage and feels they deserve a salary for having been a spouse. I agree that some people really do take advantage of the system.

offeror

I go back to the rule of law. If you don't like it, fight it in court. Anyone who breaks American law because he doesn't agree with it risks the consequences, and usually these things escalate over a bitter divorce between two childish adults who are so mad at each other that they lose all sense.

If you can justify deadbeat dads, maybe you can justify kidnapping kids whom you don't have custody of. That makes you scum in my book. Trouble is, people will say anything. The truth is one of the first things to lose its sacrosanct value in a divorce action. So you have all kinds of charges, none of which can be believed unless proven. The only thing I dislike worse about messy relationship break-ups than deadbeat dads (married or not) is kidnappers, and that's what they are, plain and simple.

Again I say, if you have a problem, in this country you take it to court. You don't break the law unless you're planning to become a criminal and start a revolution, in which case you are most likely to wind up in jail, having been judged by 12 of your peers who disagree with the merits of your rationalizations. I'm sick of seeing kids on milk cartons because one parent is a law-breaker. And a lot of deadbeats are those that figure, if they can't have 'em, they won't help support 'em. Selfish in the extreme. I say, if you want revenge on your ex, at least leave the kids out of it. They want to know they're loved by both parents or they'll wind up spending a mint on counseling when they're older, thanks to your vendetta against "Her!"

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dheffley

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Nighthawk

Im no Authority here because I as of yet have no children,but if and when I do I hope I can remember one thing.My father told me anyone can be a Dad Or Mom,but it takes devotion to be a Parent.I will never forget those words.

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gunpaq

Offeror, in Pennsylvania we have kidnapping of kids by default by the custodial parent, especially if that parent is female. Should the custodial parent, if female, decides the father will not see his children, for whatever reason, the father is SOL unless he spends $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$in court to enforce the custody order for his visitation and shared parenting. Then, after having her fingers smacked by the judge it all starts over again, on an average, two weeks later. To quote a Chester County family court judge "I am sorry but in Pennsylvania it is our policy not to prosecute single mothers of children unless a violent felony is involved", and "you will just have to refile and bring her into court again". The custodial parent can even leave the state and country without fear of prosecution with your child, unless they make the mistake of fleeing to Florida where they due return kidnappers.

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Almaguna

Try this one one for size, 18 years ago I was going out with a girl who wanted to marry. When I declined she quit her birth control and alowed herself to become pregnant thinking I would marry her if she had a baby.needless to say I declined again so she went to the courts for support. I spent 18 years paying support and being drug back to court for increases and getting behind through lay-offs e.t.c. This woman spent the money building up a herd of purebred Arabian horses while I had to buy clothes and shoes so my daughter had decent stuff to go to school in. Anyway, in May I made my last payment. Less than 1 week later this woman threw my daughter out in the street. Yes shes living with me. and doing well. Dead beat dads my *!!!!!!

offeror

gunpaq --
An unmarried mother is a single parent. Yes, custody would be by default the birth mother in that case because she's family, maybe even lives at home with her folks or uses them for babysitting "her" baby. This does not, however, void the father's financial responsibility for conception -- food, shelter, the basics. But bucks for child support don't equal husband's rights to stay in Mom's life. You need a marriage contract and divorce papers for visitation -- single guys have to rely on mom's good will -- if any.

The point we're missing here is that it's all about taking good care of the kids, regardless of the games played by the adults, which generally only complicate getting the food and shelter to the kids. The court figures adults asked for it, up to a point. After all, staying together, birth control, keeping it zipped were other options. But people don't split up because they still like each other, so inevitably these discussions degenerate into stories about what "he did" or "she did" to me....

This is why we need relationship classes in high school. I'm 52, and my Mom & Dad are still married after 53 years. They're a pretty good model for me. I've had many serious girlfriends, but no kids. That's a pretty good model too, for single guys who don't want headaches.

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William81

The whole system needs to be trashed and rebuilt from the bottom up. I recently interviewed a young man in our local jail that was 19 years old and openly admitted to being the father of 7 children by 7 different women (actually Girls). He was very proud of his accomplishment.

When I asked him who was going to raise these children, he just laughed and said that's the government's problem.

He ended up pulling a five year sentence in the Department of Corrections and upon his release will be served papers from the State. He does not know it yet, but I made sure certain agencies were made aware of his claim to fame and once released he will be brought into court, where he will be properly labled as "father". At that point, it is possible for the state to take any Tax refund checks he may ever have coming as well as garnish wages when he does work.

I gotta quit now as I am getting almost as angry as I did the first time I met this turd.


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Edited by - william81 on 07/29/2002 21:29:02

NOTPOSTAL

When I got divorced my ex got physical custody and I got to pay child support on my daughter. My ex would leave my daughter with me for the entire month, she would only pick her up when my payment was due, then a couple days later would bring her back home, basicaly I was paying support for a child I was raising in my home. Eventually I saved enough money to go back to court to sue for custody, I won full custody, my ex has no rights to visitation or anything. when the judge announced his ruling he decided my ex did not have to pay any support, go figure, this was all settled 7 yrs ago and to this day she hasn't offered a dime.

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gunpaq

The point that I was making is about responsible productive formerly married noncustodial parents, many with shared parenting rights, who are not playing games but are getting the shaft by the custodial parents who are able to play the system to in their favor because of their gender and popular political correctness. These noncustodial parents who are getting the shaft by the system and their ex-spouses are the silent ones who fight by the rules for their parental rights and their childrens well being until they are completely broke, bankrupt, demoralized and/or simply have to walk away for the well being of their children who are under 100% control of the custodial parent who has virtual immunity from the law (unless she flees to Florida with the children). These are the guys you don't hear about as they don't beat or kill their ex-spouses, they don't father 7 children with seven women, they don't hide income or evade their financial responsibilities, they don't kidnap their children, they do, however, long suffer in humble silence and you don't hear about them. A falsely sworn PFA against an will destroy a career in most professional fields thus ruining one's ability to produce the necessary income for the support order. But, is that not the goal? To destroy. To destroy the responsible noncustodial parent financially, emotionally, and professionally. Think twice gentlemen. Take heed this warning because the angel you wed just might be the devil instead.

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offeror

gunpaq --
If you wouldn't mind too much putting a space or two in all those dollar signs, this thread would wrap better so we could read it easier. I am interested in what you have to say but I'm getting cross-eyed sliding the darn page back and forth.

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offeror

gunpaq --
I see your point, but that's why my comment about relationship classes in high school is so much on point. You have to earn a driver license, but anybody can get married and have babies. Frequently, they turn out like the families you see on COPS every week. That's my nightmare.

I guess I've made a few mistakes and regretted them, but wiser more objective friends have always reminded me, when I got too upset, that, "hey, buddy, you picked her..." Apparently, my picker is broken, lately. Or the courtship was too short. There's a lot to be said for the older traditional ways.

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pikeal1

Offeror...I didn't know that the whole custody thing only pertained to married/divorced parents. That is something my girlfriend probably doesnt know either. I think she will be relieved to know that when I tell her. She is a bit concerned that she will be dragged into court if she cut the father off completely (for those that didn't read my previous posts, this guy really is a dead beat...not one penny in four years).