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i'm sorry

223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
This little gal is the hottest young lady out of Asia in 50 years!!!

Sorry for the distraction, but this is crazy good!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLNteez3c4&feature=relmfu
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm a hard *. On any given day, that's my demeanor.

    I'm normally not a "butt-head" here (on GB), at least I don't think I am.

    BUTT, the last couple days I have been! I'm sorry, and I apologize.

    Dad (90) went through major surgery last night for a fractured hip issue and partial replacement. Everything seems okay now, but it was huge (for him).

    If there was ever a hero, it would be him (and his brothers of the 381st Heavy Bombardment Group, 8th US Army Air Force). Sadly, he had Pneumonia and a bad white cell count when he went in for surgery last night. It took almost 7 hours.

    (honestly, I figured for sure he was a goner for sure...with a general anethesia) I was wrong...again!

    In April 1944, Dad, on his 3rd tour, walked back from his position across the bomb bay doors in the B-17 to the back. At the same time, a hole appeared in the floor, and in the top, of the fuselage. An 88mm AAA round had passed right through the aircraft in front of him! The flak round exploded right over the top of the plane. It blew the radio and all the navigation equipment apart and almost threw him out of the bomb bay. One waist gunner was dead and the other was mortally wounded. A radio and some other comm gear hit Dad in the side of the face and knocked out most of his teeth on the right side of his face.

    The pilot called for a bail out, the ball turret and tail gunner dropped/jumped. Big Mike, on fire and missing an engine dropped from the formation.

    The P-47's followed Big Mike down, but like always they could only stay so long. (this was before the P-51 Mustangs)

    Big Mike (and Dad) made it across the English Channel that day. They crashed on landing at Ridgewell that day (and so goes the story of the legend known as "Frenchy's Folly"). Much of the crew was lost.

    To this day, Dad says he never knew Big Mike's pilot's name. He'd been assigned to so many crews he forgot the names. I've since researched all the rosters. His pilot was lost (with the rest of his crew) over Germany two missions later.

    They used to go out and wait for the bombers to come home, the ground crews did. It was like a sporting event, they'd cheer when they came back, one after the other. The ground crews were dedicated to the individual aircraft though...and sometimes they didn't always come home, but the crews would sit there and wait...no matter how long.

    The loners and wounded would show up late. Big Mike was one of them that day. #3 and #4 engine were lost, no landing gear, no hydraulics...trailing smoke; Big Mike crashed on landing at Ridgewell that day.

    Side Note: Dad always said, it didn't matter to him that day; just the fact they'd made it "home". He didn't care if he lived, just that he made it home. (I have pictures of the wreckage even!...actual pictures). <sends chills up my spine>

    Big Mike landed hard (gear up), skidded off the airstrip and into the trees along side Ridgewell. She was destroyed.

    Dad lived, else I wouldn't be writing this right now. The date was 1944.

    One of the Crew Chiefs, a guy the name of Frenchy, said he could rebuild Big Mike...and what he embarked upon took approval from Curtis Lemay himself! "Big Mike" became a conglomeration of a B-17F and a B-17G. Nothing like this had ever been done before. She was renamed "Frenchy's Folly".

    Dad flew another 20 missions on Frenchy's Folly. He says his reasoning was "of 187 men in his class (all dead or MIA), four aircraft and three crashes, his best bet was to fly on Frenchy's Folly.

    Frenchy's Folly was one of the only original B-17's from the 381st Heavy Bombardment Group to make it back to the continental USA...she was decommissioned and destroyed in Arizona.

    And that, my friends, is a true story!

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    edit...Dad, yeah, he's my hero. He won't be here that much longer, but I'll damn sure tell the stories he told me!!

    I LOVE that man!!
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For picking on those without rain and in High heat. You can take your heat back I give. Hit 88 and I'm drained. These BP meds make taking heat hard.

    Just think I was born in the High desert of Calif and was stationed in 29 Palms for a few years. But that is dry heat. Easier to take.
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've posted a number of things about this disaster we have in New Orleans. None of them are gun posts. However, they seem to me to be relevant. I'm sorry for burdening you all. I will try to let it drop.

    Part of our foundation is being "Americans", and I just can't let that go. I'm sorry, I just can't.

    I don't like the borders being overrun. I don't like welfare, and ebonics. I don't like high taxes, nor high gas prices.

    Somehow, at the end of the day, I believe though.

    A bit disheartened...but I still believe.

    And, I think know, I always will.

    FCD

    "Fortes et liber"
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes I know the saying goes, "Much Ado About Nothing" and unlike that Shakespearean play the Iraqi prisoner abuse is no comedy but it does involve politics of a sort. It IS something. For good and ill it will remain an issue. On the one hand right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day My Lai massacre.

    I heard some Arabs are asking for an apology. I humbly offer mine here.
    I am sorry that the last seven times the Americans
    took up arms and sacrificed the blood our youth it was in the defense
    of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1 ? Kuwait, etc.)

    I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the
    extremists came after 9/11.

    I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were
    Arabs.

    I am sorry that Arabs have to live in squalor under
    savage dictatorships.

    I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

    I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the
    US in their religious schools.

    I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every
    Arab country and high jacked the Palestinian "cause."

    I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in
    or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

    I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial
    supporters of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs
    blame the USA.

    I am sorry that our own left wing elite and our
    media can't understand any of this.

    I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor
    people of Iraq out of the food for oil" money so they could get rich while the
    common folk suffered.

    I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the
    families of homicide bombers upon their death.

    I am sorry that those same bombers are seeking 72
    virgins ? I can't seem to find one here on Earth.

    I am sorry that the homicide bombers think babies
    are a legitimate target.

    I am sorry that our troops died to free more Arabs.

    I am sorry they stopped the gang rape rooms and the
    filling of mass graves with dissidents.

    I am sorry they show so much restraint when their
    brothers in arms are killed.

    I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more
    Arabs than any other group.

    I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are
    trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

    I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy Cutters on Fallujah.

    I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

    I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade
    Center that collapsed and severely damaged St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox
    Church - one of OUR Holy Sites.

    I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the
    embassy bombings, etc.

    I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed
    a medium sized village in Africa.

    I am sorry the French are ? French.

    America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
    responsible because that's what we do. We hang out our dirty laundry for
    all the world to see. We move on. That's why we are hated so much. We don't
    hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
    Deep down inside when most Americans saw this reported in the news we were
    like... so what? We lost hundreds and made fun at a few prisoners. Sure it
    was wrong, sure it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we
    were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands
    because a few were humiliated? Come on. Our compassion is tempered with
    the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a
    joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujans.

    If you want an apology from this American your gonna
    have a long wait. You have a better chance of finding those 72 virgins







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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I really sorry about being and idoit and all that stuff me and akfanaik posted...especialy on the veit forum
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The post a bit ago about getting nervous when pulled over by a law enforcement officer got me thinking. Why is it that cops, and everybody else for that matter, don't apologize when they should? When a cop pulls a citizen over and later find out that he shouldn't have, shouldn't the cop apologize? When my pizza is screwed up from Pizza Hut and I call to complain the guy on the phone will always offer me a new one, but he doesn't start off by apologizing. That bugs me. When the car repair place forgot to tighten the lug nuts on my wheel after fixing a flat the owner sent a mechanic out to do it, but he didn't turn to me and say those magic words.When that US sub did an emergency surfacing drill and sunk the Jap fishing vessel the commander of the sub was stopped from apologizing by his lawyer. Didn't want him admitting guilt and all that. The commander finally did apologize though, and if memory serves correctly the Japanese citizens asked the navy to retrieve the bodies but haven't asked for huge payments from the US government. They just wanted an apology.So do you guys see this? Am I making something out of nothing? Do you guys normally say you're sorry when you screw things up?
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  • mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    223believer,You said it. Nobody has the least bit of common curtesy anymore. And if we don't have it, our kids won't either, and so on.I am a firm believer that it takes a big man to admit your wrong. And for me that is often. You would be amazed at how much better service you get when you are polite or complimentary. That doesn't mean that I hesitate to point out when I feel I have been wronged.
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yea, whatever happened to good old accountability. Last month I fixed a problem with our database. A few minutes later I over heard some people talking... "How in the hell did that happen, we lost all the records?!" I swallowed real hard, and told 'em that I might have been responsible. One lady cussed me out real good in front of the company supervisor for screwing up a full day's worth of her work. I told her I was sorry if I've caused a problem. A few minutes later we get word that so and so accidentally deleted the table and they needed me to back it up. The supervisor really laid into her for jumping on me without having the facts, but she never apologized.
    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
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  • GreenLanternGreenLantern Member Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's the whole accountability-liability thing that society has morphed into. Gone are the days of saying I'm sorry because it means you accept responsisblity for your actions, because it's libel to cost you more. What's the first thing you do when you get in a traffic accident? You make sure you don't say "I'm sorry" or "It was my fault"! Look at how many corporations get fined or have judgements againstment but are able to weasel away without actually admitting guilt. The culture is to protect yourself as much as you can by not doing the curteous thing and apologize.GL
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  • niklasalniklasal Member Posts: 776 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah, it sucks when people don't apologize. It makes everyone involved bitter. With most people, not just LEOs, if you were rightfully wronged you need to fight for an apology. I have a friend who got into an arguement with his girlfriend, as couples tend to do. An officer showed up and arrested him for domestic violence, despite the fact that the Girlfriend explained it was all a verbal arguement and was not pressing charges of any kind. He spend a night in jail for it, despite not having any previous arrestes of any kinds. He wrote a letter of complaint to the dept and it was found that the officer was new and acted irrationally. The officer wrote a letter of apology and was reprimanded.
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