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Kalifornia FFl holder's; a question

will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
Is it mandatory that an FFL holder in Kalifornia recieve mailed firearms from only other FFL holders? I can't seem to get anyone to recieve a firearm unless it comes from an FFL. Any website info is appreciated but make sure a simple person like me can find the right paragraph please. Thanks.
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  • oneshyoneshy Member Posts: 417 ✭
    edited November -1
    www.nraila.org click research, then state laws then click Ca. on map. There is also a section on Federal Laws
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  • Ben RumsonBen Rumson Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Top of the mornin Will - Go to http://www.caag.state.ca.us/firearms/index.html. This is the web site for the state Dept. of Justice. Go to "The Dangerous weapon Control Laws for 2002" under the general information section. This will provide you with the necessary verbage to cure the worst case of insomnia imaginable. Try Penal Code Sections 12071, 12072, 12082, 12084. Paraphrased it says "It is unlawful for a person who is not a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Penal Code section 12071, to sell, loan, or otherwise transfer a firearm to a non-licensed person unless the sale, loan, or transfer is completed through a licensed dealer or law enforcement agency." Speaking for myself, as an FFL holder, I can now expect an audit from the state DOJ folks every 2 years. (New law effective this year.) Additionally, the ATF inspections don't count for the state requirement. The A & D book is one of the first things that they look at, supported by invoices and copies of FFL's for firearms received from private persons, such as transactions from auctions. Distributors such as Davidsons, Accusport, Zanders, etc. have their FFL number printed on their invoice. Even these invoices are compared to the A & D book. Knowing that you're going to get looked at gives you an incentive to at least get the paperwork right. The only thing that I'm not too sure of is C & R's. If the feds say that anything over 100 years old does not require an FFL to ship, does California need to have the sender and received be FFL holders to complete the transaction anyway? Since I do not do C & R's I haven't reasearched it, and really have no desire to be a test case. At any rate, if you have a question regarding the gun laws, e-mail the folks in the firearms division. I'm sure that they will give you the "Official Answers." Best regards - Ben.
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  • Ben RumsonBen Rumson Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Top of the mornin Will - Go to http://www.caag.state.ca.us/firearms/index.html. This is the web site for the state Dept. of Justice. Go to "The Dangerous weapon Control Laws for 2002" under the general information section. This will provide you with the necessary verbage to cure the worst case of insomnia imaginable. Try Penal Code Sections 12071, 12072, 12082, 12084. Paraphrased it says "It is unlawful for a person who is not a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Penal Code section 12071, to sell, loan, or otherwise transfer a firearm to a non-licensed person unless the sale, loan, or transfer is completed through a licensed dealer or law enforcement agency." Speaking for myself, as an FFL holder, I can now expect an audit from the state DOJ folks every 2 years. (New law effective this year.) Additionally, the ATF inspections don't count for the state requirement. The A & D book is one of the first things that they look at, supported by invoices and copies of FFL's for firearms received from private persons, such as transactions from auctions. Distributors such as Davidsons, Accusport, Zanders, etc. have their FFL number printed on their invoice. Even these invoices are compared to the A & D book. Knowing that you're going to get looked at gives you an incentive to at least get the paperwork right. The only thing that I'm not too sure of is C & R's. If the feds say that anything over 100 years old does not require an FFL to ship, does California need to have the sender and received be FFL holders to complete the transaction anyway? Since I do not do C & R's I haven't reasearched it, and really have no desire to be a test case. At any rate, if you have a question regarding the gun laws, e-mail the folks in the firearms division. I'm sure that they will give you the "Official Answers." Best regards - Ben.
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  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    I think it is a common misconception all over the country. I was in a shooting range owned by an old friend a couple of weeks ago, I've known him 40 years. He's an FFL holder. I was talking with him about internet auction sales and he said he stopped doing them because he was getting firearms shipped to him by non-FFL holders, and stated it was against the law. I informed him it wasn't. He insisted it was. No, it's not, back and forth. He finally pulled out a sheet of requlations the ATF had given him and said, look at this, and I looked at it, and asked where it said that. He looked at it and couldn't find it. He got on the internet to prove it was, and I showed him where it wasn't. He finally said he wasn't going to do it because the City required that all guns be checked to see if they were stolen. I told him you could do to an internet site to see if guns were stolen, and that he could do whatever he wanted, it was a free country, but it wasn't against the law. Well, we're still friends anyway.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    The way I see it is, if you can't recieve them in the mail from a non-liscensed person then how can someone walk into your shop and sell or trade with you? Am I on the right track here?
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  • reb8600reb8600 Member Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everthing that I read says that an unlicensed person can not ship or sell to an unlicensed person. It doesnt say that an unlicensed person can not ship to a licensed ffl to do the process. What is the difference in shipping it to an ffl or carrying it in to an ffl to be shipped.
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