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seller demands almost instant payment
Henry0Reilly
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An item I was watching brought about 60% of the market average and I was unhappy that didn't watch closer. Then I read the seller's terms of sale.
"We must receive payment in our office within 7 days or the item will relist, we don't care if it's on the way ...."
The GunBroker policy is that buyers and sellers have 5 days to establish contact. I bet this seller scares off those who buy and mail money orders to pay for auctions.
"We must receive payment in our office within 7 days or the item will relist, we don't care if it's on the way ...."
The GunBroker policy is that buyers and sellers have 5 days to establish contact. I bet this seller scares off those who buy and mail money orders to pay for auctions.
I used to recruit for the NRA until they sold us down the river (again!) in Heller v. DC. See my auctions (if any) under username henryreilly
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If I pay by any other method, it is USPS MO.
My payment is sent priority mail with tracking and proof of delivery.
Just about anywhere in CONUS, USPS MO is in the sellers hands in 2-3 business days.
If I sell something, I appreciate fast payment as well but I certainly it expect it promptly. 7 days is reasonable.
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
As a seller, I expect payment within 14 days. I think that's reasonable.
It is. Most people can and will pay sooner. But with schedules and mail time some leeway is appropriate.
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
his auction his rules, but if you want the item bad enough, loose an hours sleep and go to the post office and get the money order. I worked midnights for years, lost a lot of sleep on things I didn't really want to do, but had to. I just feel if you want it bad enough you will get the money to the seller as fast as possible.
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
Everyone has their own idea of time frames. Personally, I don't consider anything that takes a full week to accomplish to be almost instant, or even close to it. If it takes 7 days to get someone out to repair my air conditioner I sure wouldn't consider that to be almost instant service.
For payment, one day would be instant (overnight delivery) while less that a week is what I'd call quick. 7 to 10 day is normal, while anything beyond two weeks is what I deem to be slow.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
Everyone has their own idea of time frames. Personally, I don't consider anything that takes a full week to accomplish to be almost instant, or even close to it. If it takes 7 days to get someone out to repair my air conditioner I sure wouldn't consider that to be instant. On the other hand, I'm not as generous with my time as many here are.
For payment, one day would be instant (overnight delivery) while less that a week is what I'd call quick. 7 to 10 day is normal, while anything beyond two weeks is what I deem to be slow.
Agree, 7 days isn't instant.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
his auction his rules, but if you want the item bad enough, loose an hours sleep and go to the post office and get the money order. I worked midnights for years, lost a lot of sleep on things I didn't really want to do, but had to. I just feel if you want it bad enough you will get the money to the seller as fast as possible.
I guess, but since I go to work before the Post Office opens and get off of work after it closes I can't see where losing an hours sleep will help any.
Sold an item and it took forever for the buyer to pay. Kept having excuses... ordinary bills needing paid. I finally got the money. Then he pestered me about every day about when he would get it.... one email said I had a cold..one a flat tire... and in four weeks I got to the mailbox and sent it. It actually took him longer. I enclosed a note... thanks for the patience in getting me the money for the item.
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quote:Originally posted by mark christian
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
i work 12 hour shifts also...YOU dont have someone thast could pick one up for you???????????
I have plenty that could pick one up for me
...pretty Sad if YOU dont
excuse for just about anything can be found
my last priority mail was sent by wagon train
DANG - You are OLD!
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If I buy the same gun over the counter in a brick and mortar store, those unreasonable SOBs want me to pay for it right then!
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quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
As a seller I'd be more concerned with buyers who consider 7 days to be "instant payment". If seven days is instant, what would be considered as "normal payment" times. Three or four weeks?
I work 12 hour shifts. Let's say an auction closes on Wed. and I work Thurs and Fri. If the seller wants a USPS M.O. It's going to be Monday at the earliest before I can get the M.O. and get it mailed. If it take 3 days in the mail, we are now at 8 days. Lot's of scenarios where it could take more than 7 days for payment to arrive when the expectation for payment limits the buyers options.
Sellers who assume everyone has hours that can accommodate the sellers expectations are missing out on a lot of customers. If a seller wants really quick payment than internet sales aren't for him and he should stick to store front sales, or he needs to accept payments that can be done in his time frame (as in NOT USPS M.O.)
Myself, I read the host site's rules, I follow them. If I bid it's a contract for myself and the seller. If the sellers wants to make up his own rules and not honor the contract I'll take recourse, it's their problem, not mine. That being said, it's most likely I just pass on their auctions, just like I pass on arrogant store front dealers.
i work 12 hour shifts also...YOU dont have someone thast could pick one up for you???????????
I have plenty that could pick one up for me
...pretty Sad if YOU dont
excuse for just about anything can be found
Wow. Hmmmmmmm I'm not married, so I don't have a spouse that could pick one up while running errands. I could ask a family member or friend to pick one up for me, I have plenty that would do so, if I asked, but I wouldn't ask. Let's see, they have to meet up with me to get the money, go out of their way to pick it up, then meet back up with me to give me the M.O.
I don't really understand why I should, or would, ask someone to go out of their way because a seller don't want to wait a few extra days for their money. Because, quite frankly, gun purchases aren't important enough to ask people to go out of their way for you. People are important to me, guns aren't, and I'm not going to put someone out for such a trivial thing. The business is between me and the seller, he can wait. I am courteous enough that I would send an e-mail to the seller letting them know when I would be mailing payment, but then I send one even if I am paying that day.
As far as excuses go, I wasn't making any, there were none required, simple as that. There are important things in life, an inpatient seller isn't one of them. I'll send payment within the time frame of the contract, not according to sellers whims. There is no reason for me to make excuses or apologies for honoring a contract and keeping my word and I would not consider doing so. I think it funny that YOU would think there was.
As far as I go. My buyer feed back is excellent. It is excellent even though I have had a few purchases where I did just what I have written and I took a few days for me to get to the post office for the money order the seller required. But then, as I stated, I avoid opinionated impatient sellers as guns aren't important enough to associate with such people. I am sure I am not the only quality buyer that avoids them and that is why they do not get better prices for their goods, That is what the opening post of this thread was about.
I've also tried to pay before the seller was ready. Call to make a credit card payment and the sale hasn't even been put in their system yet for them to accept payment. Funny for a seller to say "sorry, can you call back later today or tomorrow, it will be in our system then".
My bank will "mail a free check" when I enter the info online. Check gets there in 3 to 5 days and is "certified" ie: I had the money,, but,, I can cancel payment at anytime before the seller cashes.
Wouldn't have a problem waiting until it cleared.
7 days is not unreasonable IMHO
Yep, if can't have it there in seven days, you shouldn't be bidding on the item.