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Surplus Rifle for hunting

cwinncwinn Member Posts: 1,223 ✭✭
edited October 2012 in General Discussion
Looking for some opinions on surplus rifles
to use for short to medium range deer or slightly larger game.

I reload, so ammunition availability is not really an issue.

I am mainly concerned with price, followed by accuracy and then overall rifle quality (trigger, sights, etc.)

I am not planning to use a scope, but wouldn't mind the option (but not neccesary)

My original thought was a No 4 Enfield, or a Mauser in 6.5x55. Neither seem to be near as cheap as I remember them being. I had a Mosin M44, but prefer a longer barrel and the trigger and ergonomics left much to be desired.

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  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mas 1936. Very handy, a bit heavy, fast working bolt. The extra short length of pull can be gotten used to.

    You may have to reload hunting ammo but it uses .308 bullets and several people online including myself say they work well with 308 data.

    They have no safety, though. Just didn't come with one.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a 1906 Swede Mauser that I was going to use this year but, ended up with a CZ550 in 6.5x55 instead. Thank you, wifey!
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cwinn
    Looking for some opinions on surplus rifles
    to use for short to medium range deer or slightly larger game.

    I reload, so ammunition availability is not really an issue.

    I am mainly concerned with price, followed by accuracy and then overall rifle quality (trigger, sights, etc.)

    I am not planning to use a scope, but wouldn't mind the option (but not neccesary)

    My original thought was a No 4 Enfield, or a Mauser in 6.5x55. Neither seem to be near as cheap as I remember them being. I had a Mosin M44, but prefer a longer barrel and the trigger and ergonomics left much to be desired.




    Why not go with the 91/30? Look for one by Tula though.
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  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The M91/30 will only shoot to point of aim with the bayonet fixed.
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Too bad some firms like Southern Ohio Gun no longer advertise what's coming in to the general public. Why not ask a dealer what's available in current imports?

    Anything that's not a current import will be higher and may have been shot out with the cheap service ammo that used to be available by the crate.
  • swopjanswopjan Member Posts: 3,292
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by SoreShoulder
    The M91/30 will only shoot to point of aim with the bayonet fixed.


    Yeah buddy! [8D]
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yugo M48 Mauser
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    I use a T99 Arisaka. Boyd's stock, Mauser bolt handle

    Hell for stout and utterly reliable.

    Damn near ugly enough to leave unlocked in the truck and not worry about anyone stealing it.
  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In a surplus rifle, my first choice would be a K98k Mauser. Maybe not quite as accurate as a '96 Swedish Mauser, or as fast to operate as an Enfield, but the 8x57 will do anything the .30-06 will. On top of that, the action of the '98 is well known for strength, and will handle loads a lot more powerful than the Swede or Enfield will. Reloading components for the 8mm are just as, if not more available, than pretty much any other surplus rifle caliber out there, not counting the obvious '06, .308, or 7.62x54R.
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  • Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    An uncle had a '96 Swede carbine, 6.5x55 that was a great deer gun.
  • Mk 19Mk 19 Member Posts: 8,170
    edited November -1
    quote:I am mainly concerned with price, followed by accuracy and then overall rifle quality (trigger, sights, etc.)

    For what you state there, the best choice would be the Schmidt-Rubin K-31 in 7.5X55, praised for their accuracy, you can still get them for a good price, mine is in 99% condition and was only $400, you can get servicable models for much less.
    Rifle quality is awsome as you will never get a war time production rifle.
    Fantastic fully adjustable sights and the trigger is better than any new production rifle.
    The 7.5X55 has the same power as a 308 and uses standard .308 diameter bullets so reloading is very easy too.

    All you have to do is shoot one and you'll become a believer.
  • TRAP55TRAP55 Member Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by SoreShoulder
    The M91/30 will only shoot to point of aim with the bayonet fixed.

    That only applies to the M44, they were sighted in with the bayo extended. On some, it has little if no effect, others it can move the point of impact a good 6" at 50yrds.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It no longer makes any sense to convert a surplus rifle. Back when you had your choise of a large number of them for ten dollars or less it made good sense. Now the ones that were not converted have too much value which will be lost if you mess with them.
    Better to buy one that has already been sporterized or just buy a commerical rifle.
    My first choise is a Krag Jorganson but there aren't any cheap ones left. I'm on my third one which is more than paid for with the profits I made on selling the first two.
  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Honestly, you can buy a used Savage 110 for not much more than the midrange surplus rifles. The scope option is free and the accuracy is most likely better. Rifle will be lighter to boot.
    The era of the cheap military surplus rifle is over.
  • tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
    edited November -1
    forget about cheap...unless you like russian rifles...there arent many cheap ones out there...if you can get past that a mauser 98 or 48, a no.4 enfield, are my pick due to availability of ammo,and ease of working the bolt, and accuracy
  • topdadtopdad Member Posts: 3,408 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
    Honestly, you can buy a used Savage 110 for not much more than the midrange surplus rifles. The scope option is free and the accuracy is most likely better. Rifle will be lighter to boot.
    The era of the cheap military surplus rifle is over.

    Yeah, what he said!
    Unless you just want to hunt with an old military rifle, you
    can save money, and save carrying around a lot more weight
    by going with a good used sporting rifle.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just pick one and shoot it. The more you shoot it the better you will get with it. The more you shoot it the more confidence you will get in it. Even shooting 200 yards with battle sights should prove to be easily accomplished.

    I would hunt deer with either of my 91/30's or the Yugo Mauser, at 175 yards I can hit a 10X12 steel plate with amazing regularity even shooting cast lead bullets.

    Put together some hunting loads, 8mm Mauser, 7.62X54R, 6.5 Swede or even the Japanese rounds and go forth harvesting Bambi to Bullwinkle.
  • Sav99Sav99 Member Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How bout a Spanish Mauser in. 308?
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,891 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ishapore Enfield 2A1? Made in 7.62 mm NATO, cheap to buy & cheap to shoot. Very accurate. Terrible sights, though.

    Neal
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,539 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've run across some good deals on sportized Krags
  • llamallama Member Posts: 2,637 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    No objection to using just about any rifle with enough power behind it for deer, as long as you keep the range within your limitations and the rifles limitations.

    But... for cheap? I'd get a NEF, H&R, etc. or one of the older store brand utility rifles you can get for under $200.
  • tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
    edited November -1
    i have a no. 4 mk 1 .303 Enfield on standby that i grab if the weather is just nasty,frozen and miserable..bought it when i was young for 20.00...it fires everytime i pull the trigger no matter what..it looks like it has rowed a boat and it has..but show me a deer and i'll show you a kill everytime...i love that old rifle and although heavy..IT AINT FOR SALE[;)]
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No one mentioned the Mosin-Nagant? I have no experience with it, but I see it all the time at gun shows...CHEAP.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
    quote:I am mainly concerned with price, followed by accuracy and then overall rifle quality (trigger, sights, etc.)

    For what you state there, the best choice would be the Schmidt-Rubin K-31 in 7.5X55, praised for their accuracy, you can still get them for a good price, mine is in 99% condition and was only $400, you can get servicable models for much less.
    Rifle quality is awsome as you will never get a war time production rifle.
    Fantastic fully adjustable sights and the trigger is better than any new production rifle.
    The 7.5X55 has the same power as a 308 and uses standard .308 diameter bullets so reloading is very easy too.

    All you have to do is shoot one and you'll become a believer.


    Like mine I would also Like to get an 03. They will stay as they made I will not change them.

    I do have a couple of 03's sporterized for .308 Norma Mag.
  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have been shooting Enfields for years. The British .303 is a great round and better yet hand loaded. Still the number one killer of bear and moose and bsides that it was the rifle and round that brought down the Red Baron. Father-inlaw issued one in Korea and preferred it over the Garands and M1 carbines dropped to them.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My 9130 works well....I can convert it back to irons No problem....s and k scope mounts.....I've hunted dear with it did a five cent trigger job and a little elbow grease and below are the groups I get at two hundred yards...the flyer on the left was my flinch, not the rifle. 2011-12-18_23-16-36_559.jpg2011-11-17_13-41-05_393.jpg
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Navybat
    No one mentioned the Mosin-Nagant? I have no experience with it, but I see it all the time at gun shows...CHEAP.



    Apparently you don't read very well it was mentioned like 4 times before your post.[;)]
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