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remingtonoaks
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As far as the number guns per thousand residence.
Utah where I live came in number 16. Which surprised me, I thought it would have came in with more than it did
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXuU-xqDuGw
Utah where I live came in number 16. Which surprised me, I thought it would have came in with more than it did
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXuU-xqDuGw
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I was surprised but then again I would double the number given ,
as we know so many boating accidents claimed firearms so if you don't have one your not going to claim it and cant count it [:D]
now if the government was issuing more money to be passed out and funds and free crap based on gun owners the numbers would be different
As far as how does my state FARE in terms of "registered guns"- what the hell is a registered gun? The only "registration that applies to all 50 states is the 1934 National Firearms Act- So called Class III firearms. Machine guns, suppressors, short barreled shotguns, etc.
So far as ordinary firearms go, there is NO national database of who owns what. But the information from this youtube video and like social media sites will be quoted as facts by someone.
So far as ordinary firearms go, there is NO national database of who owns what. But the information from this youtube video and like social media sites will be quoted as facts by someone.
The video is not about who owns what... It's about how many guns are in a state per thousand residents. so I don't know where you got your information that this video is about who owns what. Unless you're just shooting off your mouth before you find out what the video is about. Which I have noticed that you do run off at the mouth with without knowing what you're talking about most of the time.
And there is actually a database as to who BOUGHT what.... But that database has not been collected by the government YET. But it is being stored at all FFL locations by law so where that can be collected at any time. Of course we all know that information could have changed because if somebody selling, giving away or losing a gun... But there still is a database as to who originally bought what on file. and I hope people like you that THINK that there's no database don't find out differently.
But the government does know how many guns have been shipped and sold in each state... And I believe that's the information this guy gathered for this video. Which is fairly accurate...
Of course that does not account for guns that have been transported over the state line permanently, either by somebody selling it privately, or moving. But I bet that number should be Within plus or minus 1 gun per 1000 resident.
whatever montana is ranked, is severely under reported, simply because we don't have background checks for all gun purchases. that would also not report sales across stste lines done illegally because we don't like government poking its nose into everything. so rank what you think these states do, just know that you don't have a real clue
Are you saying in Montana a person can buy a BRAND NEW gun without having a background check??? Or are you just saying that after a gun has been purchased through an FFL LEGALLY, and then is sold through private transfer? ...
Because I don't know how a gun cannot go through FFL when sold new... Or how FFL could sell a new gun illegally and still retain his license. Because I'm pretty sure FFL has to keep track of every done they tak they can take they can take him used guns without putting them on the book illegally. But not new ones. So that would mean that they're only transfering used guns off the block. Which probably was bought and sold in Montana to begin with. So the database would have information that they were sold in Montana.
But that doesn't mean I know everything. Please enlighten us
Sheesh.
quote:Originally posted by discusdad
whatever montana is ranked, is severely under reported, simply because we don't have background checks for all gun purchases. that would also not report sales across stste lines done illegally because we don't like government poking its nose into everything. so rank what you think these states do, just know that you don't have a real clue
Are you saying in Montana a person can buy a BRAND NEW gun without having a background check??? Or are you just saying that after a gun has been purchased through an FFL LEGALLY, and then is sold through private transfer? ...
Because I don't know how a gun cannot go through FFL when sold new... Or how FFL could sell a new gun illegally and still retain his license. Because I'm pretty sure FFL has to keep track of every done they tak they can take they can take him used guns without putting them on the book illegally. But not new ones. So that would mean that they're only transfering used guns off the block. Which probably was bought and sold in Montana to begin with. So the database would have information that they were sold in Montana.
But that doesn't mean I know everything. Please enlighten us
There's a difference between a new firearm purchase going thru a BC and having the paperwork retained at the FFL. In several states, WV and UT come to mind, where an FFL doesn't have to run a BC if the buyer has his CHL. Still has to retain the paperwork, but no NICS check is performed, so that sale wouldn't be included in the counts.
The link below corresponds somewhat with the stats in the video, but it is important to not the caveat on the chart 'registered firearms'. Not sure what this means, as it could be AOW stats or something else for some states, but it is obviously not reflective of firearm ownership.
http://reverbpress.com/politics/firearms-per-capita-by-state/
This link has an obvious leftist bent, but the data includes survey results and is, I would think, much closer to reality.
http://demographicdata.org/facts-and-figures/gun-ownership-statistics/
Not sure why some folks go to the trouble of making a video with obviously false data.
Brad Steele
IMHO all this hype about number of guns per state is bullstuff and when you peel back the onion, it is nothing more than gun hating DEMOCRAT party propaganda used to show their donors and activists where they need to direct their attention.
PS I count for at least 2000 people.
They don't check on how many guns a dealer sells. They might know how many guns a manufacturer MADE, but what ones are in distributor's warehouses and such would be an impossible task to deal with to get any real data.
Even here in Alabama.....we aren't required to call in the 4473 when someone buys a gun if they have a permit. So, you cannot use what the data they are using to get any real stats for our state.
There are many that will not show as there are quite a few states that do not require a NICS if you are a CCW/CHL holder (Texas for example). I have not had a NICS checked performed in years because of this.
They are missing a large amount with the NICS exemptions and if there is no requirement to disclose how many are being purchased at one time. I personally like that as they have no idea what or how much we possess.
When they come to do an audit, we just had one a month ago, we had 1 then 2 guys going over inventory and then they went back through a years worth of our 4473's to check for mistakes, suspicious activity and what not.
In those years worth of 4473s they get the following data, which they keep track of:
Number of 4473s completed in a year
Number of guns sold on 4473s in a year
Those two things would be able to tell them how many guns per 4473, it is usually around 1.3-1.8 guns per 4473 average.
Then they look how many 4473's got punched into NICS vs. how many went out on without a background check if the customer was exempt, for example a CWP in a state that allows a NICS exemption. In our case something around 40% of our firearms went out on a 4473 that didn't get punched in to the NICS system.
So using those 3 things they know, and can average across thousands of FFLs they can get a pretty good idea of how many guns are sold in each state. I do not know if the ATF and FBI shares that info freely but I assume they do.
Using the info I just posted here is an example:
Say they know the state average is 1.5 guns go out on each 4473 and 40% of the 4473s are completed by CWP holders they can get a pretty good estimate of how many guns a store sold in a year.
They have the data of a gun store punched in 2000 Nics checks last year, so that means they most likely conducted around 2800 4473's once the estimated number of exempt 4473's are figured in. Then they know that the average is 1.5 guns per 4473 so they can estimate that the store sold around 4200 guns.
That is just an example of things they know and use for data.
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by discusdad
whatever montana is ranked, is severely under reported, simply because we don't have background checks for all gun purchases. that would also not report sales across stste lines done illegally because we don't like government poking its nose into everything. so rank what you think these states do, just know that you don't have a real clue
Are you saying in Montana a person can buy a BRAND NEW gun without having a background check??? Or are you just saying that after a gun has been purchased through an FFL LEGALLY, and then is sold through private transfer? ...
Because I don't know how a gun cannot go through FFL when sold new... Or how FFL could sell a new gun illegally and still retain his license. Because I'm pretty sure FFL has to keep track of every done they tak they can take they can take him used guns without putting them on the book illegally. But not new ones. So that would mean that they're only transfering used guns off the block. Which probably was bought and sold in Montana to begin with. So the database would have information that they were sold in Montana.
But that doesn't mean I know everything. Please enlighten us
There's a difference between a new firearm purchase going thru a BC and having the paperwork retained at the FFL. In several states, WV and UT come to mind, where an FFL doesn't have to run a BC if the buyer has his CHL. Still has to retain the paperwork, but no NICS check is performed, so that sale wouldn't be included in the counts.
whether you have a CCW permit that exempts you from having a background check or not. The gun the FFL sold has got to be accounted for. Plus I have gone into a gun shop and had a background check done on me, and ended up not buying a firearm because they got pushy trying to sell me your other items that I didn't want or already had.... So a background check really doesn't mean anything. the FFL inventory does. And trust me, ffls do get audited.
All of these surveys are useless. There is no way they can tell how many guns people own, especially in the states where the background checks aren't called in when someone buys a gun.
They don't check on how many guns a dealer sells. They might know how many guns a manufacturer MADE, but what ones are in distributor's warehouses and such would be an impossible task to deal with to get any real data.
Even here in Alabama.....we aren't required to call in the 4473 when someone buys a gun if they have a permit. So, you cannot use what the data they are using to get any real stats for our state.
The manufacturers have to keep track of all the Firearms they make. And which FFL dealer they are sold to. which tells how many guns are in a state, plus or minus a couple that have been transferred through a private sales in other states or people that have moved out of the state and take their firearms with them. But then, other people move into the state and bring their firearms with them, and people from other states come into a state and do a private sel and take the guns back out. So in my opinion after a gun is sold as new used guns coming in and out of a state becomes a wash, or close enough to it to become a wash.
not talking about new-in-box guns. SHAZAM! there you're enlightened. if you are close enough to a border, its not that much difficulty buying whatever
Nor are these figures Counting Private Sales. But the fact that a new firearm was sold within the state has been tracked. And as far as montanans traveling outside the state to buy firearms, don't you think that people travel into Montana to buy firearms?? So that reasoning in my opinion is pretty close to a wash... So to me you're inenlightenment is non-existent...
people also drive to canada too, just saying. not that i admit to it, or know anybody that has. just stating a possibility.
Really?[?]
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Follow these simple steps to get your PAL gun license in Canada
Use the "find a class" page on this website to find out where to take the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC).
Pass the CFSC. It's fun and easy, very few people have any trouble. There are no trick questions, or difficult concepts.
Fill out, and mail in the application form with the required supporting papers (like your photograph.)
Wait a few weeks.
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See, it isn't really that complicated.
What about handguns?
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What's the safety course like?
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Most people simply take a one day class (usually a Saturday), that includes watching a video, listening to an instructor, and going over a book. You know, typical classroom sort of stuff. It's pretty low key, and most people have a lot of fun.
The course comes with a great book. It's an easy read, with lots of pictures and diagrams to help you learn the details.
Is the test hard?
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Here is a rough guide to the costs. However prices will vary, especially from province to province. My wife actually paid just $20 for her classes as part of a women's retreat.
Estimated PAL Costs
Expense Low End High End
One day CFSC class $50 $225
Optional CRFSC class for restricted firearms $0 $225
Photo $0 $20
Licence application fee $60 $80
Postage $0.85 $0.85
Total $110.85 $550.85
Approximately every five years you will have to renew your license. There is a fee to renew, however it may, or may not be waived for some renewals.
https://www.howtogetagun.ca/
That is all the info you need to know about the stupidity of this list.
"How many firearms have you bought, or aquired with your firearms license over the past 3 years?'
Item 7b. on the FFL renewal application:
" How many firearms have you sold , or disposed of with your firearms license over the past 3 years?"
his info goes with your renewal application to Atlanta, Ga. every three years... Im sure "BIG BROTHER" is counting..
Even with a CWP, 4473 must be completed,even if a backround check is not called in.. These trienneial #'s.. are in the record..
JIM...............
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
All of these surveys are useless. There is no way they can tell how many guns people own, especially in the states where the background checks aren't called in when someone buys a gun.
They don't check on how many guns a dealer sells. They might know how many guns a manufacturer MADE, but what ones are in distributor's warehouses and such would be an impossible task to deal with to get any real data.
Even here in Alabama.....we aren't required to call in the 4473 when someone buys a gun if they have a permit. So, you cannot use what the data they are using to get any real stats for our state.
The manufacturers have to keep track of all the Firearms they make. And which FFL dealer they are sold to. which tells how many guns are in a state, plus or minus a couple that have been transferred through a private sales in other states or people that have moved out of the state and take their firearms with them. But then, other people move into the state and bring their firearms with them, and people from other states come into a state and do a private sel and take the guns back out. So in my opinion after a gun is sold as new used guns coming in and out of a state becomes a wash, or close enough to it to become a wash.
I think you put too much faith in this system where everyone keeps up with info they are not required to. The manufacturers make guns and they are sent to distributors all over the country. RSR, CDNN, Ellet Brothers, SOG, are only a few of the THOUSANDS out there. The distributors have warehouses full of inventory and their sales people send items to stores all over the country. Things are bought in lots by several distributors and things change hands several times before they go to an actual buyer. A gun that is distributed to a store here in Alabama doesn't mean that it counts as a sale to an Alabama resident either. In the past 30 days I have more than 200 guns sold to other states and that is just a housewife with a hobby.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view
He says that there are only 88,000 guns in Pa.
Yet there are 1,299,372 Pennsylvania hunters.
https://www.huntingpa.com/Deer stats.html
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