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Your Advise ?

LogansdaddyLogansdaddy Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
If someone who didn't know anything about guns came to you for advise on a Concealed Carry Protection Sidearm that could protect them from Pit Bulls...what would you advise ?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it...
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  • homer4homer4 Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kimber Ultra II in either .40 or .45 will certainly work well. If you prefer a revolver, try a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44spl.

    "...Abby someone""Abby who"..."Abby Normal"

    Edited by - homer4 on 07/28/2002 20:26:26
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  • duckhunterduckhunter Member Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I WOULD TRY TO FIND A COLT MUSTANF 380 OR A POCKETLITE 380. SOMETHING THAT A NOVICE COULD HANDLE AND BE EASY TO CARRY.

    I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.
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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it's for a person that is not familiar with guns, my first advice would be to get a CCW permit, and probably suggest a 2/3" revolver. By obtaining their CCW they would receive some instruction to include gun safety.

    B - BreatheR - RelaxA - AimS - SightS - Squeeze
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    CAn't go wrong with the short six gun!


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
    Will270win@nraonline.com
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  • hillbillyhippiechichillbillyhippiechic Member Posts: 97 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would keep a gun out of their hands for a while. I would take them under my wing, and teach them the basics. I would need to be sure that they could at leasat hit what they are aiming at before I would even consider encouraging them to obtain the permit. As for the pitbulls, I would explain that just because a few idiots got their hands on a few pitbulls, doesn't mean that they are incorrigable. I would expose them to pitbulls that are trained properly and explain good reasons to have a conceal license vice shooting dogs that are a result of their idiot owners.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Question: "If someone who didn't know anything about guns came to you for advise on a Concealed Carry Protection Sidearm that could protect them from Pit Bulls...what would you advise ?"

    Raises more follow up questions....Person doesn't know anything about guns?...then there's the legal problems of discharging a firearm in city limits?...they will probably need a concealed carry permit?...Pepper spray may be a better alternative for a person who doesn't know anything about guns.

    Edited by - Rembrandt on 07/28/2002 22:15:56
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Am I the only one here who thinks that carrying a .380 for protection against a pit bull is suicide by proxy?

    Get yourself a good .357 magnum.

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • inspectorknuckleheadinspectorknucklehead Member Posts: 81 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rembrandt, I dunno about pepper sraying a pitbull. I saw one of those reality tv shows where a cop had to shoot a pitbull because it was attacking people. Crazy dog soaked up a .40 cal round and was circling around looking for a chance to attack the cop again. If there's a problem in the neighborhood, it sounds like a good time to plant a few decon burgers for the problem pooch.

    John Colson

    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" Luke 2:36
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  • hillbillyhippiechichillbillyhippiechic Member Posts: 97 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Evil, I certainly am weak for a 357 myself!
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't profess to be an expert on Pitbulls, if they go crazy when in attack mode (sort of like crack crazed people) maybe pepper spray wouldn't have an effect?.....perhaps someone has some first hand experience, any mailmen out there?
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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This doesn't give you the answer you were asking for, but I'm going to make some assumptions. First, they are within a city limits that has an ordanance against discharging firearms. And second, some neighbor has pit bulls that roam the neighborhood from time to time.

    If those are the case, every time the dogs were out, I would call the police and request to press charges on the neighbors for letting their dogs run loose. Taking physical action yourself, like shooting the dogs, would be temporarily gratifying but not too smart. After several thousand dollars in legal expenses, an evening in jail, a trip before the judge, and perhaps a civil suit against you, the gratification won't be near as good.

    Now if you live out in the country like I do, the problem can be solved more easily and without fuss. Just catch the dogs away from home and...well, you know the process.
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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One other thing, don't use a handgun to dispose of a pit bull with. A shotgun and buckshot, or highpowered rifle is much more efficient.
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  • LogansdaddyLogansdaddy Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    actually that is the most dangerous thing I encounter with any regularity...not muggers or carjackers...just aggressive dogs...not what you want around children. I carry a 3 inch .357 stainless K Frame just in case

    It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it...
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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This happened with me once. The novice was an especially attractive female. I invited her out for dinner and drinks. When she discovered I was irresistable she asked if I would take her to the range in the basement of my mansion for 'personal' instruction. She stripped to her lacey underwear so I could properly fit the concealed holster to her voluptuous body. I snuggled up behind and wrapped my arms around her warm body to help support the absolutely mint Colt 1905 .380 pocket auto. Her fingers wrapped over the slide, gently stroked it back and let it drive home chambering a round. I whispered in her ear "sights, concentrate or the sights, let nothing distract you". I bent my head down and gently kissed her shapely neck. The trigger was squeezed, the striker sprung forward, the cartridge fired in such a blast - it awakened me from my dream.

    The Almighty Himself Entrusted the Future of All Living Creatures to a Wooden Boat.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"Audemus jura nostra defendere"
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A good can of CS gas (no colateral damage), ever tried to fire a gun with a DOG chewing on your arm ?, surely you shoot out all the cows in the vecinity exept the damm dog.....

    Even spiting at his nose is better than shooting him on the fly toward your neck or arm, you have no time to calculate a backstop
    and that maybe can be deadly to an innocent bystander,even if you hit the dog ,bullet can exit and hit a secundary target carring dog innards with it ,just think of the words "wound infection" and get the idea right!

    I know.,it was part of my training ,dogs react to any liquid faster than to any gun ,call it the cobra spit reflex genome conditioning.

    Its a reaction by genetic survival response, if the dog is a well trained K9 just hope for you to be well trained in the black arts .

    Ever ripped a dogs hart out ? with bare hands ? if you can do that there may be a posibility the dog may go down first...

    How to do it?,dont go against the dog ,protect your neck, keep your legs together as dog tries your hand press it toward open mouth and not agaist it, try to grab his neck with other hand to pin him against floor then shove your hand inside his mouth he will try desesperately to open it more, so go down the throat ,were you feel the beating hart break esophagus and grasp and twist as hard as you can, with the dogs help the whole thing comes out of his mouth,he dies instanly and you look like a bloody mess...but alive!,wash well your hands ,dog stomach acid is quite an irritant to the skin...

    Forget about the clothe ,I lost $30 at the Laundromat and the blood never came off .....Not to mention dog Vomit and other goodies that came out... Definitely tastes better than chicken,cow or horse meat,(it was a 130pound dog ) and I abide by the law ,you eat what you hunt (If healthy),and the criter was in a1 condition .

    JD




    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
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  • LogansdaddyLogansdaddy Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    By the way if I see a pit bull start to act aggressive around my son or my neighbor's kids...forget the city ordinances...I'll take my chances with the grand jury...pepper spray...I'd feel pretty stupid if that didn't work...

    It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it...
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If these pitbulls are that much of a problem I'd call animal control. If thats not an option I'd not opt for a gun, as thats opening yourself up to going to jail for one charge or another. What you need to tell your friend to carry is a piece of 3/4" solid steel stock, about the length of a cane, maybe a hair longer. I dont care what type of dog it is, a strong blow anywhere on the dog is gonna stun him long enough to deliver another killing blow, and its totally legal self defense. I'd prefer a baseball bat with a 3lb lead weight in the end of it.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oleoresin Capsicum (O.C.) spray...aka "pepper spray"...was designed to be better than mace which was purely chemical in nature. OC spray is derived from the oils of almost every pepper known to man. The concept behind the development of OC was to cause involuntary closure of the eyes instead of simply inflicting pain which can be ignored by those that are under the influence of drugs or alcohol and often by those who are simply crazed and deranged. I've been sprayed directly in the face with the stuff a few times and have done so to others on a few times. My "targets" were intoxicated with alcohol on both occasions and the OC did very well to stop them dead in their tracks. With that being said there are some who are immune to OC to a certain degree. I've noticed this in redheads and Native Americans. I've never seen it used on pitbulls---just rabid ankle biters and racoons. It worked very well.
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  • LogansdaddyLogansdaddy Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Judge Dread most aggressive dogs around here travel in packs...

    It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it...
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Gotta go with idsman here, go with the pepper spray. Be sure and get the stream, not the foam or fog.
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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "most aggressive dogs around here travel in packs"

    Ah! More information. With this being said, I would make file one strong complaint with the police, then the next time the dogs were out, I would "depack" them. This is best done with a scoped high powered rifle.

    I had to do this last year on a pack of dogs that ran wild in our area. The pack went from 16 to 3 in a couple of weeks. And nobody said a thing about it. The surviving 3 are now kept at home by the owners.

    Edited by - Rafter-S on 07/28/2002 23:43:07
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You get the one with the raised tail first , then you are the top dog
    They will be fighting at least a few hours before regrooping for attack ... and in nearly all states a dog pack is free hunt to anybody
    even feeling unsafe about them , Always shoot the head dog first..the one with the raised tail....don"t forget it, it may save your life.

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
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  • martzkj@msn.commartzkj@msn.com Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the decon burgers, but lets not forget the antifreeze to wash them down with.
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I once had an encounter with a german shepard. He was lunging when I shot him in the face with old an fashion teargas pistol (22 cal). Never knew a dog could turn around in midair. Don't know where to get teargas shells anymore or if they would work on a pitbull.Pelican; your story was starting to get interesting. LOL

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • inspectorknuckleheadinspectorknucklehead Member Posts: 81 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you decide on the pepper spray, you'd better make double sure ole scruffy is down wind from you. That stuff doesn't know who is the target and who is collateral damage.

    John Colson

    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" Luke 2:36
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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seems like he is a candadate for a Sumari sword. Teach him to
    yell"Banzi" till he gets some good firearm training.
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tell him to buy the foam type of Pepper spray and take a NRA firearms course,let me take two asprin and call me when he completes the course.

    Rugster
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ammonia works very well on aggressive dogs. It works not because his eyes are closed and hurting, but because he can't breathe. They stop everything when their breath is taken away by ammonia. Research dog fights and how to break them up, most trainers and breeders will tell you that ammonia in a spray gun or bottle is instantly effective. I didn't have any handy, so I grabbed windex, and broke up my 155lb rottweiler and a 100+ lb yellow lab in seconds. works well on people too, and absolutely no legal ramifications.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • BushobiBushobi Member Posts: 107 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    try C-4 marinated in beef flavoring and a long fuse. only need to be close..no aiming worries.
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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    loagansdaddy,
    I would suggest ,given the person's lack of firearms training, do the following: Take this friend to the nearest hardware store and have them invest in stove pipes. They can duct tape these to their arms and legs and walla! Anti-pittbull armament without the undo stress of blasting a demon dog to pieces in the playground.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:If someone who didn't know anything about guns came to you for advise on a Concealed Carry Protection Sidearm that could protect them from Pit Bulls...what would you advise ?

    A SlingShot with Ball Bearings for Ammo instead of Marbles.

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
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