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Hypethetical Question for Consealed Carriers

4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
I was just reading a post of the types of weapons people are carrying for their carry weapons. I was just wandering, if you were forced to use deadly force in an altercation and you ended up killing your assailant and there were no witnesses to verify your story, would you call the police and take your chances with a trial by jury or would you get the hell outa dodge and hope you never had to hear about the incident ever again? If you did leave, would you get rid of the gun? Try to be honest with your answers, I know that under the immense stress of this type of scenario you may act differently, but try to imagine how you would think you would react.

When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    I was just reading a post of the types of weapons people are carrying for their carry weapons. I was just wandering, if you were forced to use deadly force in an altercation and you ended up killing your assailant and there were no witnesses to verify your story, would you call the police and take your chances with a trial by jury or would you get the hell outa dodge and hope you never had to hear about the incident ever again? If you did leave, would you get rid of the gun? Try to be honest with your answers, I know that under the immense stress of this type of scenario you may act differently, but try to imagine how you would think you would react.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you for real?

    As soon as you flee YOU become the criminal.

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

    Edited by - thesupermonkey on 06/06/2002 09:03:37
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  • Wild BillWild Bill Member Posts: 155 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I already know what I would do. I would definately stick around and wait for the police.

    If you were in the right, you have nothing to worry about. Even if you were not-so-right, you have a better chance explaining yourself right then and there than after they have to hunt you down and find you. I guarantee if you run....no one is going to believe you. Running is usually the action of a guilty man.

    "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control." "If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson."
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No witnesses. Then that means there is only one story, Mine. As Monkey pointed out,Why turn yourself into a criminal? Were did you take you ccw class?.

    The most important things, Are not things.
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  • 22WRF22WRF Member Posts: 3,385
    edited November -1
    Fleeing is not a choice if you hold a CCW.

    I Refuse to be a VictimGrumpy old man
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  • pikeal1pikeal1 Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November -1
    most people who would commit a crime like that will have some sort of record...unless the victim is really really lucky and is dealing with a first timer...in which case simply pulling the gun may be enough to deter the crime.

    if you do have to shoot someone, I would think the criminal would have a record and that will only help anyones case in the self defense claim.

    I may be wrong...i dont know...but its my opinion.

    Alex
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  • k.stanonikk.stanonik Member Posts: 2,109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    fire the round or rounds, call 911, wait for the cops and work with the system.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The proper procedure is to shoot to stop the attack (not "to kill"), then dial 911 and get the perp medical help and bring the police to tell them the details.

    Just for the sake of argument, I agree with those who say if you run you become the criminal, and much more likely to be prosecuted. Besides which, you have left rifled bullets in the perp, and shell casings maybe with your fingerprints on the ground, and shoeprints wherever you walked, and hairs, and fibers, and tire prints, and on, and on, and on. Stay, call 911, and tell the truth. If you had to fire, it had better have been a case of defense of someone's life and stopping an active threat in progress.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BTDT....fleeing was not an option, however. I've gotta' take exception to those who say "If you're in the right, You've got nothing to worry about." Seen the judgements being handed down by courts these days? Sorry, I don't trust the courts to make fair judgements anymore. Not with all the liberal, scum sucking, gun-grabber judges that are in power. They are of the opinion that they have the right to MAKE laws instead of just interpret them. Like the old saying "What good's a little power if you can't abuse it."
    (Liberal, scum sucking, gun-grabber is kinda' redundant ain't it!)
    When I shot my perp, (wounded, not killed)the LEO's checked out everything to make sure it was justified. It was.
    Like the Varmit Hunter said. If you kill the perp, there's only one story....yours.

    Mudge the suspicious

    ps. Now that the FBI has the power to "drop in" on boards like this, should we be a bit more careful about what we say?

    Mudge the paranoid



    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    OK, let me state once more, would "YOU" not me, leave the scene? NO I wouldn't leave the scene if I killed a guy who was trying to kill me or my family unless by staying it placed myself or my family in danger of being killed.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • rscoleman88rscoleman88 Member Posts: 4,250
    edited November -1
    THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Stay and wait..... And smoke at least a carton while waiting.

    Respect those who protect us now just as you would those who died for us in the past.
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  • lazywallruslazywallrus Member Posts: 119 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I definitely would not flee, but I disagree with the people who say the first thing to do is call 911. The first person to call is your attorney, then call 911. While your waiting for the police to arrive you better get your story straight, and count the number of rounds left in your magazine. If you tell them that you fired four times and your magazine is empty, that is going to be strike one against your credibility. Once the police arrive do not go into details until your lawyer is present. Do not belive for a minute that the police or detective is on your side they are NOT. Detectives are experts at twisting and manipulating the truth. The truth will set you free....the truth will be twisted around and used against you..

    Protect your self at all times!



    Edited by - lazywallrus on 06/06/2002 19:33:27
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  • jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As far as not shooting to kill. Well as a friend of mine says, one story is better than two.

    I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
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  • reb8600reb8600 Member Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dont agree with the statement that you should shoot to stop the attack (not kill) In my CCW class it was stated that one side of the story is better than two. Also in just wounding the attacker you leave yourself wide open for a civil law suit for damages done whether you were in the right or not.

    Guncontrol-The ability to hit what your aiming at.
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Reb,
    You shoot to kill. Then testify that you were shooting to stop the attack. Perps death was just an 'unfortunate by-product of my defense'.
    I'm not afraid of the dark...the dark is afraid of me!
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  • S&W ManS&W Man Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First, IF you are in a situation where DEADLY force is REQUIRED, then by all maens MAKE IT DEADLY. If you can avoid the situation without killing the perp, then they will reason that you did not need to wound him. Besides, when I tell my true story of the incident, I dont want some scumsucking perp lying with a different story for his personal benifit. AFTER he is killed call your lawyer, THEN call 9-1-1, since the perp is dead, the time required to call your attorney dosen't matter, BUT NEVER LEAVE the scene till the law shows up UNLESS there is still some immediaete threat to your life or saftey. THEN NEVER talk to the police, either dectectives or the cops on the scene without your attorney present, never know how things can be twisted.

    So far, thank GOD, I have never had to do more than make the presence of a gun known. When I worked security, I only had to resort to pulling a gun one time to hold a clown for the cops, IF I ever HAVE to use deadly force, it will be as above. I have seen how doing things differently can really screw you up. The description above is how two different lawyers have explained it tome, two district attorneys in training classes as well as a sitting judge. That is the way we teach things in our Personal Defense classes and how the judge that helps us always describes it to the class.

    The second admendment GUARANTEES the other nine and the Constitution!

    Edited by - S&W Man on 06/06/2002 18:27:21
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  • jastrjastr Member Posts: 463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ageed with simonbs... enough said.

    lets all be responsible! shoot a criminal! Remember 0% of firearms pull there own trigger!
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just to stir the pot let's add one ingredient. Assume you're in a bad area and you are faced with a situation where you have to defend yourself but add the consideration that the perp may likely be a gang member & that they may well want to take vengence on you for killing him.
    I have seen two instances where gun shop owners made rightous killings but had to give up their bussinesses because of threats to them and their customers from the dead men's homeboys.
    The answer is yes you should stay but it is not quite so simple & easy as it sounds.
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  • n4thethrilln4thethrill Member Posts: 366 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    when you have to use deadly force for God's sake make it DEADLY one more thing whatever you do do not shoot them when they are on the ground put as many in them as you can while they are standing (take it from me) oh and never run cause we all know there is never anything that happens where no one sees it

    two in the chest one in the head make sure that sucker is DEAD

    you can be king or street sweeper but everyone is going to dance with the reaper

    Edited by - n4thethrill on 06/07/2002 02:38:19
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