What in the hell?........

guns-n-painthorses

I watched the movie "Training Day" last night. N***** this and n***** that? What the hell??? Now Mr. Washinton wins a Oscar for that role. Hey guys, Is this not the word no one should say? My father taught me not to say it. The TV won't say it, and if they do, it's some big drama role that portrays racisim. What, is the word OK if a black man says it? So, do we then have a double standard here? Maybe some discrimanation(sp)? I think I will suffer thru the movie again to count all the times he says it.Mr. Nunn, I know it's a hot topic, and the word is not P.C., But I think it's a valid question, and I'm not afraid to ask it.[This message has been edited by nunn (edited 03-27-2002).]

guns-n-painthorses

Saxon,I hear ya. I think the fact that it was a oscar winning role that burns me. I did not see Will Smith in Alli, But it had to be better than Training day.[This message has been edited by guns-n-painthorses (edited 03-26-2002).]

Gordian Blade

There was a rerun episode of Boston Public on Fox yesterday about this very thing. A white teacher was leading a class discussion on it after a fight broke out over it, the black principal and a black teacher didn't like the white teacher discussing it, but the students read a book about it and wanted to discuss it, so the principal ended up teaching the class to discuss that subject. According to the show, some blacks felt that the word can be used by other blacks to take it away from white racists, other blacks thought that no one should use it, but all agreed that no white person should ever use it.[This message has been edited by Gordian Blade (edited 03-26-2002).]

thesupermonkey

Training Day was complete garbage. I would have been out of the car the instant Washington pulled his weapon. I'm still not quite sure how Denzil got an Oscar for that, but oh well. Is it really that important whether blacks or whites should be allowed to use the term? It's a slur, no more, no less. In contrast I saw a really great movie this weekend dealing with prejudice. It was called American History X staring Edward Norton (Fight Club), and Edward Furlong(Terminator II). It's was a very disturbing look at hate and prejudice.Munkey

JustC

I'm glad you aren't afraid to ask it, cause i'm not afraid to answer. I have seen for years the reverse racism BS that has spread through the society which has, IMHO bent so far backwards to make amends, that it now has a broken spine. Here is my point of view on it, it is used freely, just waiting for you to use it, so they can jump your * about it, it's a foot trap. I can call my friend co*!sucker, or d!ckhead or whatever, but god forbid the word used so prevalently in music and movies come from MY mouth. [This message has been edited by JustC (edited 03-26-2002).]

218Beekeep

I used to whatch a show that had a guy named Ed Norton... .218

ccasey612

Speaking as a black man Training Day is supporting a double standard. That word should not be used at all by anyone regardless of race. Blacks all around america think it is ok but who am I to tell them they are wrong. Who am I to tell them that blacks before us fought so we would not have to be called that slur by other people because it is degrading to usa as a people and yet we disrespect our self by saying it to one another. I think the reason washington won the oscar was because he did play the roll well and it is very different the other rolls that he has played in the past.

guns-n-painthorses

Casey,I hope you don't take offense to my post, because I ment no harm. I was hoping a black person would chime in. I agree with you, he did play the role well, but what kind of message does it send to the public and our youth? Go ahead, use slurs, you might win a award. I feel the slurs were way overdone in the flick. Thanks for your insight.Scott

ccasey612

I agree with on what kind it is tellin our youth. The N word is a bad word. The word nor your post offened me I was just saying that there is a double stand when it comes to that word and it should not be.Calvin

badboybob

I have some mighy fine friends whose skin color is different than mine. It makes no difference, they are my friends.I have fought in combat with whites, blacks,hispanics and orientals. They were all good comrads, and when the bullets are flying no one could differentiate color.Those who would try to profit by their color in the courts for centuries past injustices are nothing more than parasites in my opinion. They want something for nothing.

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salzo

I find it interesting that for the past ten years, Denzel and his cronies have said that Denzel did not win the Oscar in the past because he is black-And the theme of his acceptance speech the other night, when receiving the Oscar was that he did not win the Oscar BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.

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offeror

Since whites invented it as a slur, some Blacks finally decided to take the curse off it by co-opting it and using it within their own group as a harmless slang term, like bro'. We gunners kid about being called rednecks, but wouldn't like the term used in our direction in all circumstances, for example.The N word is used all the time by Black comedians in front of Black audiences. You'll hear it prominently if you watch the Black stand-up comedy show Comicview on BET. It is correct that no whites may say it to Blacks, but *some* Blacks feel it is perfectly okay to use among one another. Still, some Blacks are offended when another Black uses it toward them, but most Blacks probably now feel it's okay when used in a humorous way among themselves. But again, no white is advised to use the term even jokingly. Part of the slow death of racism in this country involves Blacks' owning the term and making it harmless among themselves, but it's still not funny coming out of a white mouth. Not being a racist myself, I can respect that.

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competentone

While on the subject of "color"; I've noticed that the "happy smiley" is a lighter shade than the "sad smiley" (try it after you turn-off the color on your monitor)--do you people think this might have racial overtones?Too many people have too many connotative meanings associated with words.There are no "evil" words; there are not "good" words. Symbols are always nuetral.

beachmaster73

Well I have to chime in on this one. My NJROTC partner is black and from Detroit. He was walking with his wife in a down-river neighborhood when he heard a couple of young white teenagers yelling "n*****". As a retired Senior Chief Boatswains Mate he wasn't about to let them get away with that language toward him....he started walking toward them when he realized that they were calling each other "n*****"...as in "What's up my n*****?" He was speechless and he could only shake his head and walk off. Next day he came into school and asked me, "What kind of dumba$$ white boys would want to call themselves n*****? Don't they realize what they're calling themselves?" I didn't have any answer for them but I realized I admired him even more because he had no tolerance for the term under any circumstance not just because it was being said by a white person. I guess I really don't like the double standard....either it's obscene to everyone or it shouldn't be obscene at all. I'd have a hard time in court convicting someone of using this word when in certain communities it's used on a daily basis as just another word. Better that the word n***** disappear off the planet than be granted special use rights for certain people. Beach [This message has been edited by nunn (edited 03-27-2002).]

gunpaq

Anybody remember the licorice candy labled "n***** babies" on the bag? In my very small town in the early sixties these were a favorite dime candy enjoyed by black and white kids alike and we really did not think anything about the name. In those days, in our area, referring to a black person as a n***** was considered to be a hatefull a racial slur but using the term n***** in a context such as "this is n***** work or we are treated like n*****s, etc., etc." was not and very was acceptable slang.

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aglore

This definition came from Dictionary.com it is not nor never was the exclusive slang name for African Americans. nig?ger Pronunciation Key (ngr)n. Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: "You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a *" (James Baldwin). Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: "Gun owners are the new *... of society" (John Aquilino).

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nunn

My 18-year old son, who has used the expression, "*," as in, "What's up, my *?" informs me that there is a distinction between that word and the other N-word. I told him I didn't care. It sounds VERY similar, and as far as I am concerned, it is every bit as bad a curse word as that 12 letter word that begins with "mother."I have warned persons of color, when making an official contact with them, the first time they yell that word out in public, that they are not to use it again, or be subject to arrest for Disorderly Conduct. Yes, it will fly under Texas law.Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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thesupermonkey

Agree to disagree. Use whatever slurs you like. Think what you want. That's what makes America free. A double standard? Yeah, probably. Shoot your mouth off in the wrong place and you're guaranteed to be handed a beating, regardless. Do you really think the outcome would be any different if a black/mexican/asian guy strolls into a predominately white bar and starts insulting people? There's no reason to exaggerate it, it's just a slur like many others.

dakotashooter2

Let me get this right. Now we have white words and black words. Do we also have red and yellow words? Is it legal to segregate words? Does this mean that only a dumba## can call someone a dumba##? And I guess only brothers by blood can call each other Bro. I guess it's OK for us to call each other gunnuts but no one else can use the term.

Free N TX

OK, I guess I am showing my age here BUT... IF you go back and find an older dictionary (no, I don't mean the ones made in the last few years). I mean a dictionary written back when the "N" word was originated and used to describe a person. You will find that the correct definition is as follows. *; An uneducated, illiterate person. IT DID NOT REFER TO A PERSONS RACE AT ALL!!! It was used to define a person who could not read or write. Most of the people who were slaves were not allowed to learn to read or right, regardless (sp?) of thier race. Many people who wanted to get to America would sell themselves into bondage (indentured servatude)(sp?). A whole family would sell themselves to a slave trader bound for America in hope of a better life.For example- a person would "sell" them self or the family for a period of say 2 years service for passage on a ship. Once in America they would be sold to the highest bidder for the agreed time period, expecting to be free after the service contract was up. However many would not earn thier freedom at the end of the specified time frame because the "owner" would claim they owed them for food or housing or if they broke something as simple as a window, adding more time to the "contract". Most would never be freed because of this practice, which during that time period, was perfectly acceptable by the laws of the land. Since most of the slaves were black then the "N" word was continued to be used to describe them, not because of color but because they were illiterate. Unfortunately the word was never dropped from the English language and has continued to be a thorn in the side of American.If ya gotta flame me for the history lesson, be my guest. 'Cause there ain't no words that bother me because they are just that words!

Tailgunner1954

And all this time I thought it ment a undesireable person, again with out referance to race.wern't most of the indentured people of Irish decent ? (sold themselves for the passage fare away from europe)