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0.5823 with 5 shots @ 600yds

RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
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Robert Hoppe Sets 600 Yard NBRSA Record with Hornady 105-Grain A-MAXT Bullets


Robert Hoppe of Nevada probably has an embarrassing nickname or two to his credit, but his friends are calling him "deadeye" since he shattered the standing 600-yard light gun five-shot group record at a National Benchrest Shooters Association (NBRSA) registered match in Sacramento, California on October 28, 2007. Hoppe's 0.5823" certified record group was shot with Hornady 105-grain A-MAXT bullets, using Varget powder from a 6mm Dasher (Light Gun) with a 28" Hart Barrel, Panda Action with Jewell trigger, Dierks carbon fiber stock, and Nightforce 8-32X scope. Hoppe's group represents the smallest five-shot group ever recorded in registered 600 yard benchrest competition.

"Success is a matter of finding the perfect combination of bullets and powder to work with your gun," said Hoppe. "The A-MAXT bullets were the right combination for me..." Hoppe has been a lifelong hunter and reloader, and a long-range target shooter for 15 years. He has participated in 600-yard competitions since 2003.

Hornady's A-MAXT bullets achieve near perfect flight with an aerodynamic secant ogive, and unequaled concentricity to deliver an extremely high ballistic coefficient. Known for extreme accuracy, the A-MAXT has become a favorite among long-range match shooters. "We congratulate Robert on an outstanding group record," said Jason Hornady, Vice President and Director of Sales for Hornady Manufacturing. "And we're pleased that the A-MAXT played a part in his record-breaking achievement."

The 600-yard competition was officially sanctioned as a benchrest discipline by the NBRSA in 2003. In the light gun category, guns must not exceed 17 pounds including scope, and competition consists of three, timed sighter periods followed by timed record-string shots. Group size is determined by measuring centerpoint to centerpoint of the most distant bullet holes. Hoppe's 0.5823" group at a combined length of six football fields is an impressive achievement among long range marksmen, and is expected to remain unchallenged for quite some time.

Hornady Manufacturing Company has been a leading supplier of bullets, ammunition, and reloading accessories for over 50 years. Well respected in the shooting, hunting and match arena, Hornady guarantees the type of performance shooters demand from their bullets and ammunition.

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=773
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Comments

  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    now THATS an interesting gun topic.
    FINALLY![8D]
    Retired Naval Aviation
    Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
    Former NSSA All American
    Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
    MO, CT, VA.
  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
    edited November -1
    Looks like he needs to go 2 clicks to the right. [:D]
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Its a great bullet! Thats all I shoot out of my Rem XBR.
  • 204targetman204targetman Member Posts: 3,493
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by FrancF
    Its a great bullet! Thats all I shoot out of my Rem XBR.

    Price of em probably just went up.....
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 204targetman
    quote:Originally posted by FrancF
    Its a great bullet! Thats all I shoot out of my Rem XBR.

    Price of em probably just went up.....


    About a year or two ago I went for broke and bought 1000 rounds of new lapua .308 brass and 1500 155gr A-max .308 bullets. I found the right food for my XBR so the time was right to stock up. Glad I did!
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With lots of practice he may be able to hit the X. Don
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Holy crap!
    About 1/12 moa.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He is going to have to do better than that... Shooting an ear off won't stop a guy.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    That is some phenomenal shooting![8D]
  • 204targetman204targetman Member Posts: 3,493
    edited November -1
    Thats a little better than I usually do.
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why don't benchresters make the effort to sight in their rifles?
    The group would look better on graph paper than two inches off the x-ring.
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dude, I bet you couldn't even get groups like that if you bolt your gun to an anvil.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    He is going to have to do better than that... Shooting an ear off won't stop a guy.

    ROFLMAO [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You're probably right there but again, the X-ring is the target. He scored 45. While that's not all that bad he'd have missed a chuck's head.
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by v35
    Why don't benchresters make the effort to sight in their rifles?
    The group would look better on graph paper than two inches off the x-ring.


    How many shooters could even hit THE PAPER at 600 yards?

    Let alone be only 2" from the X-ring (let alone put six of them into a hole the size of a quarter!).
  • steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bobski
    now THATS an interesting gun topic.
    FINALLY![8D]


    Whats a "gun"? [:D]
  • davealddaveald Member Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aw shucks, he just edged me out.
    The sun was in my eyes, and the wind was blowing harder for me. Dang

    Damn fine shootin.
  • Hunter MagHunter Mag Member Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What was the previous grouping record?
    I'm just curious how much he beat it by?
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by v35
    Why don't benchresters make the effort to sight in their rifles?
    The group would look better on graph paper than two inches off the x-ring.


    Because zeroing a rifle to the X ring can be done by any novice but consistantly putting bullet after bullet within the size group this shooter accomplished is only done by a half dozen men on the planet.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    RugerNiner,

    That is the NBRSA record from last year.

    Here is the IBS record from this year:

    IBS 600 Yard Record_April 2008

    recordgroupibs600yds040ay5.jpg

    John Lewis was shooting a Tight neck 308 Win., Hart barrel, Lapua 155 gr. bullets. The barrel is 30 years old and attached to a plain Jane Remington 700 action.

    He was using Lapua brass, RL15 powder, 155 gr. Lapua bullets in a Remington action.

    This group was range measured at 0.386" for the 5-shot group.

    From the Ask the Experts forum: http://forums.forthehunt.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=308801

    Best.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The IBS record is smaller than that[:0] The thing with match shooting is that after your sight-in period, you have no sighter shots. Sooo if wind changes, or mirage changes, you are left with your setting from the sight in period. If that translates to 9 ring instead of X ring, but you shoot a .5" group, you have shot an amazing string. That's why they measure for group AND score.

    <.6" for 5 shots at 600yds in incredible shooting.

    edit to say, Nononsense beat me to the IBS record[:)]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nononsense
    RugerNiner,

    That is the NBRSA record from last year.

    Here is the IBS record from this year:

    IBS 600 Yard Record_April 2008

    recordgroupibs600yds040ay5.jpg

    John Lewis was shooting a Tight neck 308 Win., Hart barrel, Lapua 155 gr. bullets. The barrel is 30 years old and attached to a plain Jane Remington 700 action.

    He was using Lapua brass, RL15 powder, 155 gr. Lapua bullets in a Remington action.

    This group was range measured at 0.386" for the 5-shot group.

    From the Ask the Experts forum: http://forums.forthehunt.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=308801

    Best.



    One can only daydream about shooting like this...
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I couldn't find anything on John Lewis.

    April 17, 2008

    Davis Sets New 600-Yard IBS Record
    Filed under: Competition, News, #9643;Videos ?? Editor @ 11 am
    This past weekend, Mike Davis set a new 600-yard, IBS score record of 50-2X (0.941??), shooting a 6 BRX that he built himself. Mike nailed the record at the Piedmont Gun Club using Danzac-coated Berger 105gr VLD bullets pushed by 33.5 grains of Varget and CCI 450s. His rifle had a 26??, 1:8.4??-twist Brux barrel, chambered for a no-turn 6 BRX, and a BAT RB/LP/RE action.

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    http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/category/▫videos/
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  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Looks like he needs to go 2 clicks to the right. [:D]

    And 1 down![;)]
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    RugerNiner,

    The second one you posted is a Score record not a Group record. To complicate it even more, there are two classes: Light Gun (17 lbs.) and Heavy Gun (Unlimited Weight). To make it worse, there are 2-Gun Aggregates also.

    Awards

    Unless otherwise noted, the awards listed will be provided for both classes.

    * Smallest Group
    * Largest Score
    * Group Aggregate
    * Score Aggregate
    * Group Grand Aggregate (both classes)
    * Score Grand Aggregate (both classes)
    * Two Gun Grand Aggregate (both classes)

    New World Record!

    Saturday at the Oak Ridge (TN) IBS registered Benchrest match, John Lewis shot a spectacular 0.386" 5-shot group in Heavy Gun Class. When certified, this substantially lowers the existing record (currently held by Brady.) A 0.386" group at 600 yards is the equivalent of 0.0614 MOA. John shot the group with a wood and metal-stocked gun he built himself. It is chambered in .308 Win. John was shooting a Lapua 155gr bullet.

    Best.
  • NC shooterNC shooter Member Posts: 45 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    He is going to have to do better than that... Shooting an ear off won't stop a guy.


    I tell ya' what... if someone shot my ear off at 600 yards, you bet your sweet * I wouldn't get any closer! [:D]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by NC shooter
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    He is going to have to do better than that... Shooting an ear off won't stop a guy.


    I tell ya' what... if someone shot my ear off at 600 yards, you bet your sweet * I wouldn't get any closer! [:D]



    [:D][:D][:D]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    ...and to think...we were thrilled with this 517 Yard Group:

    100_0472.jpg

    This was shot with a stock heavy barreled Ruger 25-06.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Interesting, all the 600 yard targets are blue.
    The only targets I have ever seen were orange.

    I wonder why the targets are blue.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    But can he do it again? With a pistol? [:0][:o)][:o)]
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    quote:Originally posted by v35
    Why don't benchresters make the effort to sight in their rifles?
    The group would look better on graph paper than two inches off the x-ring.


    Because zeroing a rifle to the X ring can be done by any novice but consistantly putting bullet after bullet within the size group this shooter accomplished is only done by a half dozen men on the planet.


    tell me if i'm wrong but zeroing in on the x ring also destroys the center x, then you have nothing to see for the next shots

    hitting dead center is not the way groups are measured
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    ...and to think...we were thrilled with this 517 Yard Group:


    You're right, that is some pretty embarrassing shooting! [;)][;)]
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    ...and to think...we were thrilled with this 517 Yard Group:

    100_0472.jpg

    This was shot with a stock heavy barreled Ruger 25-06.


    I happy when I do that at three hundred. Who's shooting is that?
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    quote:Originally posted by v35
    Why don't benchresters make the effort to sight in their rifles?
    The group would look better on graph paper than two inches off the x-ring.


    Because zeroing a rifle to the X ring can be done by any novice but consistantly putting bullet after bullet within the size group this shooter accomplished is only done by a half dozen men on the planet.


    tell me if i'm wrong but zeroing in on the x ring also destroys the center x, then you have nothing to see for the next shots

    hitting dead center is not the way groups are measured


    You can't really see the "x" at 600yds,...more of the x-ring than the actuall "x" itself. When the spotter comes up covering the x-ring, you shoot 1x or 2x more during the sight-in period. If you hit the spotter, or just off of it, you know your elevation is correct, now wind is all that matters.
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, if the aim point is also the impact area, a good shot will destroy the aim point.The aim point can therefore be some distance greater than the expected group from the impact area to retain the aim point intact. The impact area should be the X-ring otherwise bullseye targets are inappropriate for this kind of shooting.
    To show a good group anywhere on the paper other than where it belongs has always annoyed me.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    ...and to think...we were thrilled with this 517 Yard Group:

    100_0472.jpg

    This was shot with a stock heavy barreled Ruger 25-06.


    I happy when I do that at three hundred. Who's shooting is that?


    A friend of mine back east...actually, he's my uncle by marriage but we are about the same age. He shot this target at my 500 yard range.
  • kiwibird1kiwibird1 Member Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice groups[:0]
  • Spc FergusonSpc Ferguson Member Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    amazing groups and you always got that one guy.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And now it's being reported that there is a new record for score. The group size is of no consequence as it's larger than the groups being measured currently. The IBS 600 Yard Nationals is being held June 26 - 28:

    June 23, 2008

    Sam Hall Shoots 0.913??, 50-5X group at 600 Yards

    Filed under: Competition, News ?? Editor @ 11 am

    Sam Hall of Boonville, NC has been the man to beat at 600 Yards this season. It looks like he nailed yet another IBS record with that hot-shooting 6BR of his. On June 14, at the Piedmont Gun Club in Rutherfordton, NC, Sam fired a 0.913?? five-shot group with his 28-lb 6BR Heavy Gun. The group was fully centered up, scoring a 50-5X on the new, smaller 600-yard target. Sam told us: ??I believe this group is the smallest 50 ever shot in competition ?? with 5Xs to boot.?? The previous record, we believe, was a 50 (1.174??) by Terry Brady.

    More information is located at this link:

    http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletin.html

    Best.
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