In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.

WTB M4 Carbine

KonetKonet Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
I Really want a M4 carbine willing to pay 1000 or more depends on how good of condition it in and it must run i hoping to get it in 5.56 cal but if i can 223 cal if you got one or know somone who dos let me know i really want one i looking for one with no flat top i want it with the handle and front sight A2 brid cage slotted all around and a retaktable stock please let me know if you got one
· Share on FacebookShare on Twitter

Comments

  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try here Aim Surplus Bushmaster Rifles>
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • KonetKonet Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i Was kinda hoping for M4 brid cage shorty not sure who makes M4 that delta force and marines use today but thats what i want but if i can't find it i will go with bushmaster one thanks
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Hoping to get it in 5.56, but I'll take it in .223 if you've got it..... Uh huh.Dont take this the wrong way, Komet, but I think you might want to seriously consider what you want the rifle for before you go off and drop $1000+ on one.Ask around here. We'll tell you. There are some very knowledgable people on here.Btw: 5.56mm and .223-caliber are precisely the same thing. One is in metric measurements, the other in US.And why do you want to buy the M4 that the "Marines and Delta Force" use anyway? I really hope that's not the only reason why you want the rifle....but to each their own. The military M4 has a telescoping stock and can fire full-auto or 3-round bursts. Civilian models cant do that. You need an FFL and a Class III license to buy a full-auto firearm.[This message has been edited by Bullzeye (edited 02-04-2002).]
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Konet,For 1,000 dollars you should be able to purchase a very nice Post-ban M4-styled weapon. Post-ban meaning no Bird Cage Flash Hiders, telescoping stocks or bayonet lugs. You can have a fixed position stock and permanent muzzle break though. If you want a pre-ban (with all the goodies) it will probably run you over 1,000 dollars. As said before, 5.56 and 223 are the same round but you can purchase an upper in 308, 7.62x39, or even 9mm! Good luck and don't worry, not all of us are sarcastic twits...
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I tink ve haf a viziting troll hear. Lok at da gramma.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No buddy spels thet bad. und no buddy butt me has thet bad gran---gr--uhh,cant talkwurth a shet
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Sorry if I sounded like a jerk. I didnt mean to be.Note: this next section may or may not apply to any one person, so dont think I'm picking on you.I just get irritated when kids who've watched too many Bruce Willis movies and played too many video games hop online and are barely able to articulate the fact that they want "onna those guns that shoots fast n' stuff! Big M528-45! Gimme!" through the sugar-high they happen to be on.Once saw a kid get on and ask if anyone wanted to sell him a Minigun. I laughed myself hoarse, and then got really concerned.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bullzeye, What exactly is your definition of 'kidz'. 'Cause speaking frankly you and I aren't terribly far out of the ball park. I don't know too many 'kidz' who can plunk down a grand on firearms. I like Bruce Willis movies, waste lots of time playing video games and spend most of my day high on caffeine and sugar, so if that makes me a kid then so be it. I know guys that are 60 that are kids in disguise too. To be perfectly honest, they make these neat-o large capacity rifles for 'kids', big ones that is. Course, I would be worried too, if I had a mini-gun for sale.I guess bulls eye sounds better than the alternative.All in good jest, the childish sniper munkey[This message has been edited by thesupermonkey (edited 02-04-2002).]
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    If it's all in jest, you can call me anything your little monkey heart desires You make a few salient points, and Lord knows I'm not one to squelch anyone's youthful interest in gunsBut after seeing kids register for the sole purpose of asking for everything from M249 SAWs to M60s to mortars, you get suspicious quick.The "Ooh! Ooh! I want the kind the Rangers and Delta Force uses!!!" thing was an instant clue.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually, I believe that there are some subtle differences between the 5.56mm and the .223 Remington. The 5.56mm is a little hotter of a load, if memory serves. Perhaps Ids, Beach, or robsguns can confirm this?I DO know that you're not supposed to fire 5.56mm in a .223 Remington rifle. The pressures get too hot for the .223 to handle the 5.56mm. Can't remember where I read that...maybe Bushmasters site.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most rifles that are stamped "5.56" on the side are your military-type rifles anyway. Most ammo that is marked .223 is a bit more expensive than the bulk stuff marked 5.56. I've never had an inkling to run Winchester Ballistic Silvertip .223 ammo through the AR-15 that I once owned. It would have just seemed stupid. Most ammo marked 5.56 comes in bulk or is military surplus which is what I would choose to run through a military firearm anyhow. I wouldn't run cheap 5.56 through my rifle chambered for .223 so it's never really been an issue for me. If I am buying ammo for the .223 it is the type of ammo that I would want to use to maximize accuracy so I'd be buying quality stuff. I've never researched it. It reminds me of a story that tought me a lesson in how many military folk never picked up a firearm prior to joining the service and no nothing about ballistics or pressures or anything beyond aiming "center of mass" let alone anything beyond the weapons that they are issued. I know this isn't true for all service members but I once heard a squad leader mention something that was absolutley incredulous. He stated that the AK-47 is the weapon of choice for many of our historical enemies (true) and that it is chambered for a 7.62mm round. HE went further to state that the M60 machine gun is also chambered for a 7.62mm round. According to his deductions, we would be able to take captured ammunition and link it to be fired in our M60 machine guns if situations ever dictated that type of action. I almost fell off my stump. In his mind all 7.62mm ammo was the same. He had no clue what the difference was between 7.62X39 and 7.62 NATO. Then it really hit me. I was doing some training down at Fort Knox and there was a pilot talking about the capabilities of his helicopter. He went on to discuss the armor on the helicopter (can't remember which bird it was) and he stated that it could withstand 7.62mm gunfire. Then everyone in the group automatically went "wow" because they all thought he was talking about 7.62 NATO. I may be wrong but I believe that a 7.62 NATO round could penetrate the armor of a Blackhawk or an Apache. I sat in silence and let the Major continue to give his discourse on Army Aviation.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A semiautomatic AR15 M4 clone with the A2 FH,barrel notch,bayonet lug,flattop upper,chromelined barrel and M4 telestock can cost from $1200 to $1800 depending on the brand of barrel,upper and lower used.cpermd
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    You told me that story, ids. Pretty amazing stuff.I know Blackhawks have a layer of titanium and kevlar under the cockpit designed to withstand a certain amount of AA flak, so I wouldnt be shocked if a 7.62 NATO round couldnt make it through the bottom.I still think the 7.62x39 round does a lot more damage than the 5.56mm. I still think the FAL should have (and would have, had it not been for nationalistic bias against FN and for Colt) been the US standard issue service rifle instead of the M-16. It should have been a run-off between H&K's G3A3 and FN's FAL. But we gave it to Colt so the money would stay in-country. Figures, eh?Hell, I've talked to people who said they'd would've gladly taken an AK-47 instead of the M-16 in the jungles of Nam.There seems to be a trend over the past 25 years to miniaturize everything. The M-16 is being replaced by the M4. The 7.62 NATO is being drummed out by the 5.56mm. Even the frag grenades have gotten smaller (some of the ones they've got in research now dont even look like a grenade. More like a pack of cigarettes.)I say we smarten up and look elsewhere. FN, H&K, and Steyr have been coming up with innovative designs to suit the changing battlefield for years. FN's got the P-90 which holds 75-rounds, pierces everything except for hi-power trauma armor, and is still twice as light and small as any other rifle. H&K's got the caseless G11 which outscores the M-16 consistantly in battlefield simulations, has a 50-round helical mag, and leaves no cartridges. Steyr's got the AUG and the Para, both of which use the bullpup design to greatly increase accuracy and lower size while we've scorned the bullpup concept for years.So why are we stuck in the mud again?
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    cpr -- Yes, they CAN. But hopefully at a good gun show I can find the occasional "value." I hate paying top dollar. I've heard that when you've made the right deal, both sides are just mildly dissatisfied. I know some dealers who don't get my business because their price tags are set in stone and higher than an informed buyer needs to pay.A buddy of mine who owns a gun shop currently has (or had) a pre-ban CAR with the collapsing stock and other salient features -- only $1600, if I remember correctly. He put together the upper & lower in order to have this to sell. But I'm tired of buying stuff for $1600 that I can only sell for $1100 or less. The last Uzi I bought was pristine new condition, bought in '82, still had the receipt, in the box, same styrofoam, collapsible stock, etc, with 4 25 rd mags. Guess what. I sold it for $1100 to the only guy on the 'net to make me the offer. Didn't really want to sell it to begin with, but you know the economy. Guns are a good investment, because when well taken care of they can be like new for years. But the key is, don't overpay to begin with... Otherwise, it's not much better an investment than a new car, percentage-wise.
    "The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • KonetKonet Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    no no i not a kid i just not sure who makes m4 i only know marines and delta force use them i was hoping that somone would know who makes them i dont want it fully auto i just want a semi good condition i can go to shooting rANGE AND HAVE FUN with i dont care if it was really used by them i mean i just want to know who makes them so i can get one i dont care if it has ben used by who ever i just really like m4 type of gun my friend let me use one before and i love it he got his off here too
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
Sign In or Register to comment.