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simonbs
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At the end of your posts, as your "signature"... you have...
Rule #2: Always trade up.
What the heck is Rule #1?....Just wondering...
Lil' Stinker's Opinion
Rule #2: Always trade up.
What the heck is Rule #1?....Just wondering...
Lil' Stinker's Opinion
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I'm not afraid of the dark...the dark is afraid of me!
Maybe this will shed some light on it...
Listening to a show on tv right now about guys on death row....Guy killed 6 ppl but he is forgiven according to him...He is going to meet the lord according to him...
I was in yahoo games and one person summed it up rather well...He said he was a christian and could do what he wanted to do cause he was already forgiven by his lord...Yet according to "the christians" a non believer cannot enter heaven because he/she doesnt believe but a guy can committ murder, be forgiven, ...kill a child, be forgiven....rape a 2 year old, be forgiven....kill whoever, be forgiven etc etc but a non believer living a good life doing no wrong???....we are doomed to hell? and we get preached at, yelled at, scorned, damned etc cause we dont?..
Maybe I should believe again (by the way, been there done that) ...then I could do whatever and be forgiven...do it again and be forgiven...etca etc and the list goes on and on..
but then again, the "christians" will say, "but he isnt a true christian".....
what makes you think I care...
If you had stones, you would have poofed it[}:)][}:)][:D]
Don
No stones... boulders.
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There are some Thunderbirds available with less or no markup, but perhaps not in your area. Do not fault the dealer. If the dealer sells the car for list, the buyer may turn around and sell it for the markup. Ferrari has solved this problem by only leasing hot new models to long-time Ferrari owners.
I have a 1955 Thunderbird, a 1965 Mustang High Performance Luxury ("Pony") Fastback GT (289-271HP K-Code) and a 1982 Mustang GT (the first High Perfromance Mustang after the awful 1970s) and have not been in that market since. However, now that the Mustang finally has some serious muscle again for 2003 (the Cobra has 390HP plus), when the new Mustang body comes out in 2004, I may be back in that market. I expect there will be a markup on that new 2004 model, which will be the first new Mustang platform since 1979, as there will probably be on the 2003 Cobra!
Supply and demand. If you think the price is too high, don't buy. Someone else will, or the price will come down until someone does buy.
Judgecolt, I would not consider the '82 GT to be high performance, it came with a HO 302 that had a 2 bbl carb, ther HO was achieved by a simple little timing trick that adds very minimal "power" to the engine, all they did was add a 351W cam in it to change the fireing order, nothing more. The engine is still a 9:1 302. And before you say anything, I bought mine in '87 and just sold it in '98. The 1st thing I did was to take that wimpy HO 302 and scrap it and replace it with a Boss 302, if you are into Fords you know how I did that, add in a good Crane cam, some good head work and a Weiand tunnel ram with a pair of Holley 450s, 4.11s in the rear and now the car ran like it should.
When the Viper and Prowler came out, Chrysler had the same problem with added markup, and there were many people who shared your view that Chrysler should "do something." The New Beetle was the same way. The new Mini is the same way. (Check e-Bay!) Supply and demand. Only Ferarri has addressed this problem with its leasing program, and that program is the subject of much controversy as well. Still, why should not those with the money be able to spend it as they choose, and sellers with product be able to sell it as they choose? I certainly do not favor price controls. That only limits supply, not demand.
If I were the sensitive type, I might take offense to Dr. Pig's comment about over 3,000 guns and all those classic cars too. (Like the three cars mentioned are a lot?) I gather Dr. Pig doubts that I own the items I have mentioned from time to time in the context of discussions, and the cars I mentioned. I do not recall ever mentioning any number of guns I own. To me, to do so is kind of like discussing the amount of money one has. It is not polite to discuss such things.
I probably have more guns than some, but not 3,000. (Not that I am not trying to get there!) I do have many more cars than the three I mentioned, but again I do not mention a number for the same reason. Perhaps I should reevaluate mentioning anything I own from now on. I have sometimes wondered if I sounded like I was bragging or puffing when I mention items in my collection. Perhaps this is a sign I should quit that. Still, I feel fortunate to have what I have and this is one of the few places I can share my joy of ownership with friends who really understand.
Time works to an advantage in some things. By buying several guns a year over decades, one accumulates quite a few. The same thing can be said for buying collector cars over the years as well.
I bought my 1955 Thunderbird in 1961 for $1400. I bought my 1965 Mustang in 1971 for $2800. (Mustang HiPo K-code values were already on the way up even then.) I bought my 1982 Mustang new and never drove it for daily transportation. (Its value is on the way back up now.) I bought it because I wanted to have a factory-new high performance car built exactly as I wanted it with every option and in the color (black) I wanted. There had not been any performance cars since the early 1970s, and I felt the 1982 Mustang GT, as the first of a new breed, would be a future collectable car, aided by the recession of that year, which made it one of the lower production years of Mustangs ever. The base GT list price was $8,308, to which I added $3,321 in options. With freight, it stickered at $12,003, and I paid 10,864 delivered.
While the Mustangs that followed for the next 20 years are indeed better and faster, they are still the same basic Fox chassis, and I have had no desire to spend my money on another. (I bought guns and collector cars instead.) As I said, that may change next year when the new body finally comes out, assuming Ford does not take away any horsepower. (It has only been 27 years on the same body!)
I began buying muscle cars when they were cheap. I could not afford many of the cars and guns I have if I had to pay today's prices for them. Far from being "loaded," I am gun and car and etc. poor.
Now for the comment about the 1982 Mustang GT HO not being a "high performance" car. Of course "high" is a relative term. My father had a souped up Model T in the 1920s with which he could out run Buicks and other bigger, originally much faster cars. His T would qualify as "high performance." V-8 Fords were considered fast when they came out, but not compared to a Dusenberg or the like. "High" is a relative term.
In 1982, the Mustang GT HO was the fastest American car. The Corvette and Camaro were strangled with a smog engine and were not as fast as the Mustang HO. (In 1993, the Mustang GT got a four-barrel carburator, dual exhausts, etc., and the Camaro got an HO option that was a match or more for the Mustang. The horsepower race was on again!)
The cam in the 1982 HO was not from the 351W, but rather from the marine 302 engine. While the carburator was only a two-barrel, the carburator was a big two-barrel. The air cleaner was low-restriction and bigger. The heads were from the marine engine. The horsepower rating was 157, as opposed to the 120 HP of the 255 V-8 in other Mustangs. Torque was very respectful.
Still, economy cars have more horsepower now. My daughter has an Eagle Talon TSi AWD with 205 HP from a 2.0 liter engine, but my old Mustang HO is quicker up until about 70 mph.
7mm nut, I have no desire to modify any of my collector cars to make them faster. Modified collector cars are like modified collector guns, once the originality is gone, the value is gone. I have every piece of paper, sticker, packing material, shipping bracket, etc. for my 1982 Mustang. The dealer gave me all the associated Ford documents for it as well, such as scheduling sheets, gate releases, etc.. To me, these are more important that additional horsepower.
Sorry to make this so long, but Dr. Pig struck a nerve, and I felt I had to respond.
Cars, guns, boats, airplanes, tractors, trucks, etc.. Love them all.
7mm nut, my first love is actually cars, but guns are easier to store. I believe can hold my own in that area as well as I can with guns.
Ford called the 1982 HO cam a marine cam. Whether it is the same specs as a 351W cam is irrelevant. That is how it was identified in Ford promotional literature. ("The Boss is back!" was the promotional tag line.) I do not buy Chilton manuals for my Fords. I buy Ford manuals. I have genuine manuals from the 1930s and up. I bought hundreds of them when an old Ford dealership closed in the early 1970s. My dad had manuals for any Ford products he had owned already. I buy old manuals whenever I see them. My dad collected sales literature during his life, and I have been doing it all of my life. My literature collection may be worth more than my gun collection.
I know 157 HP is not impressive by 1970s standards, but in 1982, the GT was the fastest American car. That only lasted one year. What GM or any other manufacturer had in the 1970s is irrelevant. I was mentioning why I decided to buy the 1982 Mustang GT when I did. I yearned for performance and always felt Ford failed to put its best foot forward in much of the horsepower race. Then along came 1982 when the Mustang was king of the hill. I got out the checkbook.
Yes, you can buy 1982 GTs for cheap, but not mine. How many do you see with factory Racaro seats? How many have the factory rear window wiper? Factory T-tops are not rare, but are not common either. How many have all the paperwork and the box the front spoiler came in? Etc..
I collect cars like I collect guns. I want everything as original as possible. That is what I like.
Of course when I was young, I raced cars and modified the heck out of cars that were already well used. I still have my McCulloch supercharged 1949 Ford Custom Club Coupe. (My dad bought it new as a second car, and I got it as my first car.) Yes, a supercharged Flathead V-8. It was about as fast as a Power Pack Chevrolet from the 1950s. It was no match for any of the early high performance cars of the era, such as a 270HP or 283HP Corvette, etc..
Dr. Pig, during the thread about how many guns people had, I made no response. As I recall, the AntuqueDr said he had over 400. I think that was the top figure I saw. I do not recall anyone saying they had 3000.
I do sell guns for profit if I can, but only to support my collecting habit. (I hope I have not mislead my wife as to how much money I made to justify all the acquisitions!) I do not do much in retail these days, but during the early 1970s, I spent almost every weekend at a gunshow buying and selling. I acquired some of my most prized pieces during that time. I could not afford some of them now! After my children came along, I quit going. Now I only occasionally attend one. Unfortunately, many shows now are full of flea market stuff and new guns. Still, there is the occasional kernal of corn in the dung hill and I enjoy looking for it.
As far as the September 11 price gouging, that was offensive. However, if I had the last 100 gallons of gasoline available, should I sell it for the same price as before the supply ran out? Supply and demand. One could argue that raising the price kept the demand in check to insure there was supply during that uncertain time. I filled up everything we own that morning, and there were already lines in my little town. No one knew what was going to happen next. One station ran out of fuel due to the run. Remember the gas lines of the 1970s? Supply and demand.
To bed!
let me ask you this, how on earth did you get a rear windsheild wiper on that thing? Was that a factory option? As far as the cam #'s, I can't find them right now, I looked briefly but not real hard as the books are in the attic collecting dust, but I will find them if you wish to see the actual #s. I found out by accident about the cams in them, right after I bought my '82 I found out it had a bad lobe that caused some backfiring, soooo a quick call to Summit got me a new one in 2 days,hehe not stock. I spent an afternoon installing it and the rest of the day tryin to get it started, all it wanted to do was pop thru the carb. Dummy me used the firing order off the intake, I didnt know any better. Called Summit ready to scream at them for sending me the wrong cam and the tech guy told me what I did wrong. It's a windsor cam in that sucker! I know better now.
And your forced induction ford,, I got called a cheater on a hottrodder BB for asking about a fogger system. Dem blowers is cheatin!
And since I got your attention, a Colt officers model in .22, the match gun with a heavy barrel, how good of a shooter are those. Saxon made a recomendation about it, I'm still in the market for a large frame .22 revolver, still leaning toward replacing my Smith I had but Saxon seemed pretty impressed with it, how do you rate it?
Like I said though, I wasnt trying to get you pi$$ed, just trying to get a little debate goin witchya.
As far as the rear window wiper/washer, of course that is a factory item or I would not have it on my car. (Remember I bought this car as a future collectable so it has every available option. Highly optioned cars are much more collectable than strippers.) The rear wiper/washer is option code 173, which listed at $101, and dealer-invoiced at $85.02.
If I gave the impression I was offended, it is I who apologize. I am not offended, but when someone mistates the record, I have to try to correct it.
As far as my supercharged old Flathead, I do not understand your "cheating" comment. The old car was the fastest of its class for many years when stock (probably because it only had a relatively few miles on it when I got it, and was the lightest body), and then I put the supercharger on it. There was no attempt to hide that it was modified. In fact, I would sometimes run it without the air cleaner so you could really hear the blower scream. Now the fellows who would try to disguise their 300HP Chevrolets as 250HP cars, those were the cheaters. A quick look underneath to see the larger exhaust pipes would reveal their fraud.
As far as a Colt .22 target revolver, if you just want a shooter, I think the Officers Model Specials may be the best buy. I love their heavy barrels, and you can add aftermarket target stocks if you want. There is a rough one on the auction site that never draws a bid because the seller way over values it. You might try to negotiate a purchase for a more realistic figure.
If you want a shooter and collectable, the Pre-War Officers Model Targets are most desirable. Let us know what you get.
I want the .22 for squirrel and * huntin, it needs to be accurate but I cant stand the .22s that have the wimpy little grips on them. The Smith I had, 617 had the feel of holding a larger gun with big grips and that is what I want. I am a cheapskate when it comes to guns, I have a few other projects I'm working on and I don't want to spend the big $ for a handgun. I want to build the wife a rifle and finish setting up my latest custom rifle.
My next question is going to be scopes, I want a good hunting scope that has target quality, it needs to handle rough weather, recoil and ridin in the pickup. It also has to have enough magnifactaion to see the fleas on a deer at 500 yds. I don't want duplex, maybe a mil dot for different aiming references. Ohh and it needs to be matte black to match the finish on the rifle. when it comes to the scope I'm willing to spend the money.