Trespass signs II

Rafter-S

Joe works hard for 20 years--two jobs and overtime. Lives in a modest house, does without ski boats, new cars, and fancy vacations. Saves his money and eventually buys a piece of land in the country. He finally owns his dream. He puts up posted signs so only he and his family can enjoy the fruits of his labor. Wants to be left alone so he can live happily ever after.

Sam works for 20 years at a job but blows his paychecks. Went to lots of parties, fished most weekends, drove new trucks with big wheels, and had several trips to Cancun and Disney World. At the end of 20 years he sits in his mortgaged house in town, combs through his credit card statements, and he bitches about Joe not allowing him on his property. Thinks it's not right for sportsmen to not be allowed to go where they please. Resents "No Trespassing" signs and the uncaring elitist people who put them up. Hopes the Democrats pass legislation to make the Joes of the world share in all their "good fortune."

Sound familiar?

cowdoc

all private land is posted in South dakota by state law,so i dont have to put up signs...i have had to explain this to a few hunters that end up where they are not suppost be... me not a happy camper when i have to shut down a combine harvesting fall crops to go tell them where the bear craps.
doc

I dont give my guns without somebody getting hurt!

idsman75

cowdoc--I was just in your beautiful state today. Hopefully I'll be living there one day.

SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY

4wheeler

My better half and I own some land in the sticks hope one day to put a cabin on it. Right now we raise a garden and my wife takes care of her flowers. It is quiet and peaceful, only access is by truck or 4-wheeler. We are lucky in that most people riding thru on 4-wheelers stop and talk and ask for permission to ride. I tell them the rules are simple,stay on the trails,do not litter,and I will not tolerate thieves. Sometimes we ride with them and show them new trails. During hunting season I never see anyone and never had any problems,probably because terrain too rough. I was brought up to respect other peoples property and privacy and try to abide by that.

"It was like that when I got here".

COONASS

Rafter-s..........well said........I'm like joe.....And hate Sam's..Seems like he bred a-lot around here.......coonass

"A man is known by the
company his mind keeps."
T.A. Aldrich

jastr

Any body who owns the land has a right too deny... otherwise whats the point in owning it?

lets all be responsible! shoot a criminal! Remember 0% of firearms pull there own trigger!

gunpaq

Joe American and Sam Socialist. Which one will vote for Ed Rendell as PA's next governor who favors a socialistic government (let the cities share the wealth of the suburbs)? Now that I got that out of my system, respect of other people's property is the key. Most people who have, have worked for it, and most people who have not, have not worked for it or are very foolish with their resourses. We post and usually do not let people hunt on our farm except for the original neighbors & family. A group of fellows from Philly would stop by each year to ask to hunt on our land and each year they got a polite "No". One summer, after a few years of "No's", they stopped by intending to ask to hunt groundhogs but instead, seeing us working in the field, asked if they could help to bring in our hay that weekend. After 20 hours of working together we got to know each other and they were finally able to understand, after blistered hands and sore muscles, why they always got a "No" when asking to hunt (Joe owns and toils on the land and Sam wants the fruits of Joe's labor). These guys, prior to that weekend, were under the assumption that we (farmers) got paid a fair $$$ wage (by someone or some entity) for doing work on our farm and they were absolutely floored at the concept that there was no direct pay to be had (I figured it out one evening that I make about $00.06 per hour). These guys, less two, showed up for the second cutting that year and were able to harvest a 1/2 dozen grounghogs the next Saturday. Since then they regularly help out at various times harvesting and are always "invited" back to grounghog hunt. Like our original neighbors and family, these fellows now have a vested interest in the wellfare of our land as it means something to them, more than just a place to shoot groundhogs.

Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.

Big Sky Redneck

I have one problem with some of the landowners around here. They post their property, want you to ask permission to hunt. I have absolutely no problem with that, I think you should ask permission even on unposted ground. But when you ask some of these owners for permission, they say "NO, I don't allow hunting on my property". But then come deer season guess who you see on the State Game Lands draggin out a buck? Yep the landowner who won't let ANYBODY hunt his property goes where less fortunate non owners have to go to hunt, state land. I feel if you own large pieces of good huntin ground and you won't allow anybody to hunt on it that is your choice and I have no problem with it, but don't come out to the overcrowded public land when you have your own to use. I know a guy who has a 700 acre farm outside Entriken PA, each year he gets a group of guys together and sets up an organized drive on the state land next to his, but won't allow a soul on his land. In doing so he ruins the hunt for the people who have to use state land. If you "pot" hunt his drives he will run you off, if you ask if you can be a part of his drives he says no, you have to be in his clan. This guy has a beutiful farm with lots of open field and wood lots but insists on running all the deer from the good public spots and then hunting his own property himself. he aint dumb, by not allowing anybody on his ground the deer go there for refuge since there is no pressure. Then in the last week he has a private hunting preserve, calm deer and no compitition. I know of several farmers and landowners who use the same philosophy, hunt public and keep everyone off of his, then in the last week shoot the hell out of the deer on his land.

gunpaq

There are A-Holes every where. Unfortunately the big property owner,like every citizen has the absolute legal right to hunt public lands and restrict his large private holdings just as the big richboy hunt clubs in Potter County who own hundreds of private acres and hunt the public lands bordering theirs. Joe Schmow poperty owner (not the rich pigs) who says "No" has every right to do so - why let somebody hunt on his land who might shoot their foot off and then take Joe Schmow's property in a lawsuit?

Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.

Big Sky Redneck

Gunpaq, one of the biggest things that ticks me off about them is the license, they get their Landowner license and then use state land, I paid a rediculous fee for my license to hunt there, he got his for free, so technicly(sp?) he does not have the same right to the state land as we non owners have, they want to hunt state land, fine, buy your license. You want a free license because you own land, stay on your own property.

Rickstir

I'm one of those land owners (80 acres in Missouri) that gets a free tag for 3 deer, 1 anydeer, 2 bonus doe. In Missouri it only applys to deer taken on my farm. If I go to my brothers place, or state land, I must buy a permit and any deer taken away from my place, subtracts from the total I can take.

If I knew some guys were going to have a deer drive on public land, and I wanted to hunt that public land, I would get there before they start their drive. If he tried to run me off, I would explain that this is public land. Drive the deer if you want, but if I see one in range I am going to shoot. Any more trouble, consult with the local game warden. If no support, contact his supervisor.

I once had to have 3 tresspassers arrested. A grandfather, father and son. They had to cross several hundred acres of public hunting land, with identical habitat, to get to my place. Three generations of tresspassers. They had taken 6 rabbits. Funny thing, if they would have asked we would have let them hunt. My wife hates rabbits. But they didn't. County deputy got em as they came back to their car. The guy failed to show for court date. The county finally got $250.00 for tresspass and failure to show up. My land, I got nothing.

Each story has several sides.

Like in the NFL, defense is the key.

He Dog

7mm I don't think your argument holds much water. While I agree that a private land owner who does not allow hunting and hunts on public land also seems a little mean spirited to me as well, His land is his, and public land is public. He is well within his rights.

Big Sky Redneck

Hunting license fees is what pays for the public land, all state game lands are hunter funded. If he is hunting state land with a free license he is taking advantage of the ones who pay.

I don't have anything against landowners, we used to have two family owned farms, only have one now. I work for 3 separate farmers in the summer and 90% of my hunting is on private farms. I do sometimes go to state lands but not that often but I PAY for my license.

It may not be illegal for them to do what they do but I think it is rude. Kinda like somebody comin to your house and drinking your beer when he has his own beer in his fridge.

He Dog

7mm I would presume anyone hunting on public land would have the appropriate license (Yeah, I know we have poachers too, but I would not assume someone was hunting without the proper license). And I do agree that it seems mean spirited. Perhaps he his trying to build his herd (tho most places with whitetails seem to be overrun with them). My real point was that public land is public and available to anyone (again with proper permits), and this is true whether they live in an apartment or on a 70,000 farm. In many areas hunting access on private land is available only through payment of a "trespass fee" which I understand, but also think is rude.

And yeah I would come to your house to drink beer and visit, but I would expect to supply the beer when you come to my house...

Big Sky Redneck

Let me rephrase the beer thing, compare it to this, you have very limited funds and can only afford Genesee beer, dude comes to your house and asks if you have any beer and drinks what you have. This guy just stopped at the distributor and bought a case of premium beer that you like and does not share.

The complaint I have is this, landowners in PA get free hunting licneses. They then post the crap out of thier land and then go to state lands that was paid for with hunting licenses. I think this is just plain rude. I'm not saying he should open his land to hunters, it's his land he can do what he wants with it but I think if you want to hunt state land, you need to BUY your hunting license.

Do you know who Stan Belinda is? He was that fancy side arm pitcher the Pirates had awhile back, rich *. He bought a farm near here(15 minutes from my house) and turned it into a private hunting preserve for him and his group of elite friends. His land borders state game lands. He went to the township and asked them to close a public access road to the game lands that borders him. He also put up a fence on his property to block all access to the land from his, there is now now way to access the state land without adding 20 miles to your trip. He has feeders all over his property and during the last couple days of late muzzle loader season him and his pals do a deer drive, from state land to his. He is building his herd, guys like him make me sick.
Now Stan Belinda is a rare case as he is the only one I know of to go to that extreme but the ideas are the same. Keep people off of his land and better his chances by taking advantage of those who have no choice but to hunt state land, just plain outright rude.

I have a friend who is, shall we say not to tolerant of greedy land owners. I won't post what he does because it would start a flaming war against me. I don't partake in his "games" but in a way, I think it's funny. All I can say is, post your property and refuse hunters, no problem, it's yours, heck I would do the same myself but don't let "maniac" catch you huntin state land while posting yours. He feels like this, the state land belongs to the hunters who pay for licenses and if you don't pay you are trespassing in his book.