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AncestryDNA vs 23andme
sharpshooter039
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My family knows pretty much without doubt or history through our Mothers side, its documented all the way from the Dawes Roll up with pictures, census reports and other paperwork "we are all registered red skins". My Brother and I decided to try some of the genetic test so I did Ancestry DNA and He did 23andME. His come back in about 5 weeks and probably pretty close to correct, 32% native American, 56% European ,,mostly British and Irish,,then just some scattered other stuff... Ancestry finally sent me mine after 10 weeks,,
41% Ireland 36% Great Britain, 23 % other regions which broken down all over the Caucus region, Russia, Balkans ect.. No mention of Native American at all, I just laughed it off, then they sent me a survey about what I thought so I told them I believed they were wrong,,why I believed such and copies of my proof dating back to my great great grandmother,,,their answer,,SORRY,,we only base our result on other samples members have sent in, as Our data base improves we might send you and update,, WELL HELL,,I though DNA WAS DNA,,looks to me like they are just basing their results on what other possible Family members have posted on Ancestry.com
41% Ireland 36% Great Britain, 23 % other regions which broken down all over the Caucus region, Russia, Balkans ect.. No mention of Native American at all, I just laughed it off, then they sent me a survey about what I thought so I told them I believed they were wrong,,why I believed such and copies of my proof dating back to my great great grandmother,,,their answer,,SORRY,,we only base our result on other samples members have sent in, as Our data base improves we might send you and update,, WELL HELL,,I though DNA WAS DNA,,looks to me like they are just basing their results on what other possible Family members have posted on Ancestry.com
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I am tempted to do the DNA test also , My best guess on what I was told as a kid black Dutch ,Irish , English , and Cherokee several generation's back on moms side . I guess it really does not matter but seems interesting . I do know for sure none left me a huge estate or hidden horde of gold [:D] for that matter two nickels to rub together [:D][B)],
but I guess I will give them credit for the struggle and uphill battle during the tuff times to keep the family going
e]Originally posted by JamesRK
My brother-in-law told me there is one African-American in his family tree. He said he has no idea who strung him up there or why, but that's where he's hanging.
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and now someone has your DNA.
I've given more samples than you can imagine. If "they" wanted them they were had a long time ago. Same thing with fingerprints. I had top secret clearance for work when I was 19. Anything after that was well you already have my prints but OK....
it is a goverment trick to catalog your DNA in case the goverment wants to harvest your organs or duplicate you..nope no way in heck[:(!]
So you've never had you're blood checked at your doctor's office? Do you really think they need you to have a DNA test in order to get your blood sample? That testing lab that your blood was sent to has supplied the government with all the info they'll ever need on you.
And, as the OP points out, they aren't even close to correct. Or maybe the "Red Skins" aren't as indigenous as one may think.
Either way, If/when some other power that be decides to leak info from the database for nefarious reasons, you might be glad your politically incorrect white dna was not on file there.
Might be interesting to see what DNA shows.
On Moms side we can go back to 1130 and have the branches coming forward.
Wouldn't think the DNA would be that far off. I would think you would show some sort of percent but maybe not. DNA among siblings can be vastly different for each.
So then are we agreeing that the DNA scam is junk science? Yet another unproven theory?
The Native American DNA you are looking for could be assumed from 23 and me as they as much say so in the explanation of results.
And hey the Native Americans came from somewhere maybe yours came from Ireland with some vikings or something.
My wife's grandmother on her Father's side was born and raised on the reservation in Oklahoma, Wife's mom was from Mississippi. The family (my wife and her siblings) recently had the test done and showed no signs of Indian blood, hhhhmmmmmmmmmm
Hey Capt. great photo of Skicat!
Not true. That isn't my good side.[:0]
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Hey Capt. great photo of Skicat!
Not true. That isn't my good side.[:0]
I see what you did there! Don
quote:Originally posted by skicat
and now someone has your DNA.
I've given more samples than you can imagine. If "they" wanted them they were had a long time ago. Same thing with fingerprints. I had top secret clearance for work when I was 19. Anything after that was well you already have my prints but OK....
Having to do so to get a clearance is one thing. Voluntarily giving your DNA as well as contact info to an unknown private agency for nothing more than inaccurate results on an unimportant test is another.
A few years back nobody was concerned with identity theft and now it has become rampant. A few years back your social was only to be used by the govt for tax purposes and nowhere else. Now the last 4 of your social are routinely asked for and the availability of this info makes ID theft so much easier.
Perhaps down the road the last 4 digits of your unique Dna code will be needed for verification and now his is owned by strangers and on a data base forever to be bought and sold. I understand many of these intrusions are unavoidable but why make it easy ?
They can only tell who you're related to.
I believe what they do is they compare it to their other DNA samples and case histories of donors and try to make an educated guess.
Some proportion of donors will be wrong or unaware of where their genes come from but with enough samples, they can probably tell pretty closely, and if they can't tell now, then maybe they will if you keep checking back.
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by skicat
and now someone has your DNA.
I've given more samples than you can imagine. If "they" wanted them they were had a long time ago. Same thing with fingerprints. I had top secret clearance for work when I was 19. Anything after that was well you already have my prints but OK....
Having to do so to get a clearance is one thing. Voluntarily giving your DNA as well as contact info to an unknown private agency for nothing more than inaccurate results on an unimportant test is another.
A few years back nobody was concerned with identity theft and now it has become rampant. A few years back your social was only to be used by the govt for tax purposes and nowhere else. Now the last 4 of your social are routinely asked for and the availability of this info makes ID theft so much easier.
Perhaps down the road the last 4 digits of your unique Dna code will be needed for verification and now his is owned by strangers and on a data base forever to be bought and sold. I understand many of these intrusions are unavoidable but why make it easy ?
I agree, you spell it out well, and could even add in RFID and dna code for ID implementation.
Finger prints are a worse pain in the butt. I've been told it's a common problem with old folks but mine have always been "unclassifiable". The FBI won't take your word that you are you until you have run that drill at least three times and each time takes about three or four months. Then they use "other means". I have no idea what the other means are.
Concealed Carry permits are the same problem, but they give up after two attempts.
The worst of the bunch for identification is the Personnel Reliability Program (PRP). You have to carry two ID cards, military ID and PRP ID. Both cards have to be in 100% agreement and the pictures and descriptions have to agree with what you look like.
One day I needed to enter a controlled access compartment. At the time my hair was more brown than gray. I showed my ID cards to the Marine. He started laughing and said "who you trying to poop?" I asked him what he was talking about. He said "brown hair my *". I had to go to the personnel office and get two new ID cards. It would have been funny if it happened to somebody else but as it was it was a pain in the butt. I can't fault the Marine. For all he knew I could have been running a test on him.
Now that I think about it I might leave my tombstone blank or better yet not even put up a stone.
quote:Originally posted by joker5656
Wouldn't think the DNA would be that far off. I would think you would show some sort of percent but maybe not. DNA among siblings can be vastly different for each.
So then are we agreeing that the DNA scam is junk science? Yet another unproven theory?
NO, WE CAN NOT AGREE. DNA is not junk science. However we can agree you are the person depicted in CaptFun's picture..
I don't wear cheap tin foil hats. [;)] I have far too much class for that. When riding motorcycle or shooting at the range, proper safety gear is always appropriate. I cannot go into detail about this without compromising intel. I'd hate to have the russians using my telepathic dna signatures to sway the elections. [:p]
You could try one out, protect that noggin while on your battle steed.
http://www.militarysunhelmets.com/2013/aluminium-foil-in-sun-helmets
For the record, I said DNA SCAM, as in the context of dna ancestry and genealogy conversation, try to keep up.
I had one guy complain, "What if they use this DNA to clone me?"
I did not say it, but thought, Yeah, the world has a shortage of * pricks."
My family tree is untraceable, nobody has ever researched my moms side so there is no data available. Closest we got is her dad is an old hillbilly from Kentucky, it ends there.
Most of you know my last name, that name is traceable for my dad back to Germany in the 1700s.
However, dad is not my biological father. My biological fathers name is James Meadows, nobody had heard from him since 1970 so to trace him is pretty much impossible because a search for James Meadows shows a couple hundred of them. All I know is he was from Seattle, WA and him and mom made me in California.
A generic search of moms maiden name, Craft and fathers name Meadows shows me as a British mutt.
I am curious about ancestory but I'm not lying someone to guess, I can do that with Google.