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Better do the speed limit in PA

Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
State troopers are writing tickets at a record pace along the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

According to a story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the ticket blitz is a result of troopers being required to issue 40 tickets a month to meet their quota.

Since Capt. David K. Points became Troop T commander Jan. 6, 2001, the number of speeding tickets issued on the turnpike increased by 16,075, or 21 percent, compared with 74,325 in 2000. The 90,400 tickets issued last year established a turnpike record.

But, at the current pace through the first three months of this year, troopers wrote more than 21,000, a 50 percent increase over the same period last year. If troopers continue to issue tickets at their current rate, more than 100,000 tickets will be issued this year.

Troopers, speaking on the condition of anonymity, say superiors have told them to write more tickets to maintain "station averages," and contend that is tantamount to an illegal quota system, the newspaper reported. Troopers who don't keep up are getting unsatisfactory job evaluations, being placed on probation or being removed from their regular shifts.

The Troop T commander refutes that a quota system has been imposed. "All I can tell you is that I'm well aware of the law [against quotas], and we don't have quotas," Points said.

The state troopers association president is reportedly looking into the quota allegations.

OOIDA has long been aware of quotas in Ohio. In May 1999, OOIDA's Land Line Magazine features a story about a former Ohio state trooper named Tim Houston.

In the story, LL reported that Houston failed to meet his quota because he had been a trucker and knew how devastating it would be for a professional trucker to lose his CDL. His sympathy and sense of wrongdoing lost him his job. More than that, in December, 1998, Houston was convicted on eight counts of misdemeanor falsification. According to newspaper reports, patrol investigators claimed Houston admitted he had "fudged" records to make it appear he had written more tickets to truckers than he actually did.

Houston was also indicted on eight felony counts of forgery. The counts were later dropped and Tim Houston pleaded guilty to falsification charges. He was given two years suspended sentence and ordered to spend 90 days under house arrest. He was fired from the Ohio Highway Patrol. Houston, says his troubles came from tearing up tickets he'd written to commercial drivers.

He told Land Line that his willingess to let a trucker go, rather than write him/her a citation did not translate well with the goals of the highway patrol. According to Houston, truckers are cast in a negative light as early as during training at the police academy. He says one of his instructors referred to the typical trucker as a "dirty, rotten, stinking, filthy, gear-jammer."

Houston told Land Line "There's an animosity towards (truckers). It seems like they try to portray the lowest life form is a whole time."

Houston's allegations appear to correlate with the state's guidelines for giving citations to commercial drivers. According to a copy of the 1998 Medina, OH, operational strategies, troopers are expected to "commit themselves to a 20 percent enforcement index" of commercial vehicles, meaning essentially that 20 percent of their tickets should come from commercial vehicles. But a 1998 pamphlet issued by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics indicates that commercial trucks make up less than four percent of all the vehicles on the interstates.

In order to compensate, Houston said truckers are often issued multiple citations. "The state highway patrol in Ohio wants you to nail truckdrivers as often and as many as you can get," he says. "And you'll see most troopers, they'll stop a truckdriver and give them multiple citations on one stop.

Houston's allegations were denied by the a top highway patrol official.

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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard Ticket Quotas are Illegal.

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  • bhayes420bhayes420 Member Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    7mm nut wrote: "Houston failed to meet his quota because he had been a trucker and knew how devastating it would be for a professional trucker to lose his CDL."

    I have driven trucks since I was 14. Had to stop in 1996 after having 3 back surgeries in a 12 month period. So I do have some experience in the business. I agree, it would be devastating for a driver to lose his CDL, but heck, to keep it from happening, SLOW DOWN! Don't put yourself in a position to lose it. I don't like speed limits any more than anyone else, especially the stupid "split limits" that some states maintain for trucks, but they do post them on BIG signs, and if you drive faster than posted, you take your chances, quota or no quota from the troopers.
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didnt write that, I pulled a Josey1 and did a C&P, thought the story was intersting. Here is the link to the story and a few other interesting ones.
    http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/May02/051702.htm



    Edited by - 7mm nut on 05/17/2002 17:43:02
  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Dang!!!!!!They fired an LEO with compassion for truckers. That really sucks. I got soft spot for truckers since my dad used to be one.


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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    As I see it- if everyone new the laws and didn't speed, the troopers wouldn't be writing tickets. If you get a ticket- you probably deserve it. Now- isn't this really the problem?
    I drive 35,000 miles a year and haven't had a ticket in 21 years. (Knock on wood).
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,078 ******
    edited November -1
    That's nothing. Here in Hunt County, Texas, the Highway Patrol Sergeant expects his troopers to make 35 contacts per day, each. And...he believes that if you have a reason to contact someone, you have a reason to write at ticket.

    He is apparently not representative of his peers. All we can get here is brand new rookie troopers straight out of the academy, and they transfer out of here as soon as they can.

    The policy causes some REALLY feather-legged and even BOGUS charges to be filed.

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  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the warning 7mm. I have been fortunate enough to never have had a ticket in Pa., but Ohio, now that is another story. The one there that sticks in my craw was when I picked up a brand new trailer with a load of peanuts going to Ny state. Had to cruise thru Ohio, and got caught with no trailer tag. Showed the trooper the onboard communications system's screen where I had sent message after message about the tag. And their reply. All He had to say was " You knew you didn't have a tag and you still brought it into "MY STATE...I will make sure you never do that again". And when He handed me my ticket it also had a 65 in a 55 zone written on it. Judge wouldn't believe me or my trainee. Paid it and swore I wouldn't go back. Did, and got an overweight on the drives with a legal CATSCALE Ticket in my hand. Go figger. I go around Ohio now whenever I get the chance. Sandman2234

    Oh, and most truck drivers drive at least 150,000 miles a year, although I clocked almost 300,000 one year a while back on a dedicated route.

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  • S&W ManS&W Man Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can tell you this from personal experience. In OHIO, when 55 is the speed limit, they WILL ticket you for 56. I was clocked by a Ohio State trooper AT 56 MPH and he wrote a ticket. Hell, in my state, the law allows you 10% of the posted limit to compensate for inaccuracies in speedometers and rader. Why is Ohio so pickey?

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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Because Ohio sucks!! Ohio is greedy. Ohio sucks. Ohio thinks they are so much better than the rest of the country(sounds like Cal!), I was born in Ohio and I hate that state. Most of my hate comes from driving a truck thru there. Ever feel like a trophy buck on opening day? Thats what it feels like driving a truck thru Ohio, they prey on trucks like a pack of hungry wolves, and they do it in the name of safety.HAHAHA what a joke. Ohio just sucks.
  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    daddo the problem is not just a black and white issue.i drove 170,000 miles last year,in a truck.when you are doing 55 and the rest of the traffic is doing 75 this is much more dangerous than if i was doing 75 in a 65.the feds have done study after study trying to justify split speed limits truth of the matter is the answer is the same everytime split speed limits are more dangerous,but they do generate revenue.i mean yes the sign says 55 but hey lots of people dont obey lots of laws that are cosidered petty i mean do you come to a complete stop at every stop sign??dont lie now.

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