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How much do you care about animals??

calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
The dog getting hit thread reminded me of this. I was leaving my parents' house, heading home in my dually. It was the middle of the day. I saw a squirrel on the side of the road that had been hit. It had to have just been hit slightly before I passed it because it was still alive. Basically, the only thing it could do was flip its tail back and forth. I wanted to go back and put it out of its misery but there wasn't anywhere for me to turn around and the only way that I could have killed it was just run over it with my truck.

I felt bad the rest of the day thinking about him suffering there.

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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love all of God's creatures and can't stand to see one suffering.
    I have stopped more than once to put a suffering creature out of its misery. Have run over a few turtles and squirrels that had been critically injured on the side of the road.

    I went to some risk to go to the next exit, go east 4 miles in the 18 wheeler, and then come back headed west to put that deer out of its misery that I had hit in the big rig. That guy had smashed rear legs but no external bleeding, he would have suffered on the side of the road for a long time. I cut his throat with my Buck knife.
  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    I love all of God's creatures and can't stand to see one suffering.
    I have stopped more than once to put a suffering creature out of its misery. Have run over a few turtles and squirrels that had been critically injured on the side of the road.

    I went to some risk to go to the next exit, go east 4 miles in the 18 wheeler, and then come back headed west to put that deer out of its misery that I had hit in the big rig. That guy had smashed rear legs but no external bleeding, he would have suffered on the side of the road for a long time. I cut his throat with my Buck knife.


    Good on ya.

    I am turning into an old softy, too.

    Not warm and fuzzy like BTDT[:D]....just a softy.
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Damn near got hit in traffic on 235? I think in Wichita after seeing some jerk throw a box of kittens out his car window.
    There were nine altogether. Some only days old and some a couple of weeks. Five survived.
  • jwb267jwb267 Member Posts: 19,664 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.

    say what you will,think what you want, but there is a lot of people out there i could dispatch of easier than an animal
  • Horney toadHorney toad Member Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Reminds me of once when I stopped in the middle of the road with a turtle crossing in front of me. Many honking horns behind me, but the turtle made it!
  • MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.


    I kind of get where you are coming from, but you have to remember, about one in six people have little or no empathy with their fellow human beings.

    Mentally ill wildlife is rare, sociopaths aren't. I can understand some peoples empathy with injured animals and wildlife. I watched a guy (from around a hundred yards) pull out of a forest lane without stopping or even looking as far as I could tell. He got T-boned by a car doing around 40, both the young adults in the car went through the windshield, over the Mercedes, landed in the street and were pretty much cut to pieces. Just laying in the street with serious head trauma, bleeding from numerous deep cuts. When I stopped he was cussing and crying about his Mercedes and ignoring the kids in the street. He was bent over looking at the damage to his car. I walked up behind him and kicked him in the nuts as hard as I could. Animals are animals, people suck.
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    I love all of God's creatures and can't stand to see one suffering.
    I have stopped more than once to put a suffering creature out of its misery. Have run over a few turtles and squirrels that had been critically injured on the side of the road.

    I went to some risk to go to the next exit, go east 4 miles in the 18 wheeler, and then come back headed west to put that deer out of its misery that I had hit in the big rig. That guy had smashed rear legs but no external bleeding, he would have suffered on the side of the road for a long time. I cut his throat with my Buck knife.

    +1
    Always glad to read of another person who IMHO does what needs to be done! [^]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • djh860djh860 Member Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was driving down the road and the car in front of me just nipped a squirrel in the nose. He flopped back and fourth I aimed for him and put the poor buzzard out of his misery. All my girlfriend saw was that I swerved to hit him and did. She was mad as hell and though my story was total BS.
  • djh860djh860 Member Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BTW I have no conflict about being compassionate for animals and being a hunter.
  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You might think a little more of the lives of animals if you fully understood they are just like us when it comes to wanting to be safe, fed and alive. I think if you could get inside their heads we'd see they are more like us then we realize.


    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.
  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Horney toad
    Reminds me of once when I stopped in the middle of the road with a turtle crossing in front of me. Many honking horns behind me, but the turtle made it!


    GOOD for you! You know if you had pulled off to the side someone would have not lifted a pinky to avoid running it over.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.






    i'm right there with you on this one

    in addition i find it amusing how people openly accept the death of animals for advancement of man, {roads, buildings, cities,etc}, they become collateral damage on a daily basis

    then on the other end of the spectrum, you have some that will give their own life to protect an animal habitat, but are all in for eminent domain of their fellow man

    funny animals us humans
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
    You might think a little more of the lives of animals if you fully understood they are just like us when it comes to wanting to be safe, fed and alive. I think if you could get inside their heads we'd see they are more like us then we realize.


    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.



    Whenever there is a post about the humane and correct treatment of animals, it seems inevitable that it segues into an apples and oranges comparison with man's inhumanity to man.
    While I certainly don't condone the latter, it is of no more importance, to me, than the former. [;)]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • djh860djh860 Member Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree with you 100%. If I graphed the value of any animal its bar on the graph would be 1/16 of an inch tall. The bar for humans would go from here to the sun. Newspaper writers will tell you that the dog or cat in trouble stories gets 10 times the calls and letters to the editor vs the child in trouble stories. I call it the Bambi syndrone. People assume emotions , feelings, and souls in animals that they simply don't have and therefore overvalue them. That said I being a kind man want us all to be good custodians of the animals on this planet.



    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    The way I see it, I (as a human) have dominion over the animals of the earth. I do NOT have dominion over the other humans on the planet. Do I try to help when I can, of course. It's not exactly like I can run over them though to put them out of their misery.
  • MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gesshots
    quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
    You might think a little more of the lives of animals if you fully understood they are just like us when it comes to wanting to be safe, fed and alive. I think if you could get inside their heads we'd see they are more like us then we realize.


    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.



    Whenever there is a post about the humane and correct treatment of animals, it seems inevitable that it segues into an apples and oranges comparison with man's inhumanity to man.
    While I certainly don't conedone the latter, it is of no more importance, to me, than the former. [;)]


    I don't believe it is Apples and Oranges, empathy is empathy, some have it, some don't.
    The things that make me want to help a fellow human being and an injured animal are IMO, the same basic instinct.
    Watched a guy build a fence across a centuries old game trail and then demand I shoot all the Deer for destroying his fence. Some people don't get it and never will. Empathy, get some.[:D]
  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jwb267
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.

    say what you will,think what you want, but there is a lot of people out there i could dispatch of easier than an animal

    You are right there.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
    quote:Originally posted by jwb267
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.

    say what you will,think what you want, but there is a lot of people out there i could dispatch of easier than an animal

    You are right there.


    +1
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jwb267
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.

    say what you will,think what you want, but there is a lot of people out there i could dispatch of easier than an animal

    [^][;)]
    That's a long list right there!!!![;)]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • jwb267jwb267 Member Posts: 19,664 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    djh860 replies: If I graphed the value of any animal its bar on the graph would be 1/16 of an inch tall. The bar for humans would go from here to the sun
    so you have a liking for charles mansion, ted bundy,Jeffrey Dahmer
    David Berkowitz and the list goes on.
    i would much rather place a fricken rat before these so called humans
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You'll walk a long way before you find an animal that will lie to you for personal gain.
    Do they not yelp when hurt? Do they not bleed red? Without any qualification I could easily slit the throat of anyone getting pleasure out of torturing an animal. Extreme? Maybe. I just figure they would do it to a person if they could get away with it.

    [:(!]
  • edgecamedgecam Member Posts: 3,280
    edited November -1
    I stop and let turtles cross the road, I also keep a shovel in my truck and car so I can move dead animals of the road and pick up a big snapping turtle that stays in the road. I check any dog that I find that has been hit for tags so i can let the owner know.
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    All my dogs and horses are spoiled rotten.

    I stopped next to a Po Po shooting radar to help a turtle across the road,bout got drawn down on.

    Saved a puppy in traffic etc.

    When it comes to hogs........I love just killing them any way I can [:X]

    Sometimes I gut shoot them so they will run off and die elsewhere,
    like the nasty old boars.

    Whatever the reason for killing an animal is, it should be be quick and humane.
    Glad your dogs and horses are well cared for, but you need to work on the other stuff! [;)]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • Wyatt EarpWyatt Earp Member Posts: 5,871
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    All my dogs and horses are spoiled rotten.

    I stopped next to a Po Po shooting radar to help a turtle across the road,bout got drawn down on.

    Saved a puppy in traffic etc.

    When it comes to hogs........I love just killing them any way I can [:X]

    Sometimes I gut shoot them so they will run off and die elsewhere,
    like the nasty old boars.

    When you see hogs chasing,killing and eating a baby fawn...you will feel the same.

    They eat anything.


    +1

    And by the way, that new rifle is sexier'n hell.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    interesting to read here of one that is so wise as to know what according to some immutable word has no soul or degrees thereof...that infinite wisdom also informs me he has no compassion and therefore deserves none
  • kumateliveskumatelives Member Posts: 2,609
    edited November -1
    My kids had to show good marksmans ship under pressure before I would take them hunting.Killing is a way of life,making anything suffer is not to be tolerated.If something is suffering it is under the hand of something stronger and evil,this is not acceptable in my eyes
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.
    +1
  • buckstarbuckstar Member Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    You'll walk a long way before you find an animal that will lie to you for personal gain.
    Do they not yelp when hurt? Do they not bleed red? Without any qualification I could easily slit the throat of anyone getting pleasure out of torturing an animal. Extreme? Maybe. I just figure they would do it to a person if they could get away with it.

    [:(!]


    Several species of animals are deceptive for personal gain. Most animals are incapable of producing a sound that could be comparable with "yelping". Some animals do not have red blood, such as the horseshoe crab, which has blue blood. Your comment on killing someone who tortures an animal indicates that you would kill a person if you could get away with it, but is thinly veiled as a protective service to other people. If you would help an animal (which I admit you didn't claim that you would), would you also help a person who is suffering? Even if they didn't 'deserve' it?
  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MudderChuck
    quote:Originally posted by gesshots
    quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
    You might think a little more of the lives of animals if you fully understood they are just like us when it comes to wanting to be safe, fed and alive. I think if you could get inside their heads we'd see they are more like us then we realize.


    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    I hate to see any animal suffer, but I don't care so much for any animal to think it's life has value remotely close to that of human life.

    It amazes me to see folks get more worked up about an animal getting abused than they would about a person being attacked, raped, etc.



    Whenever there is a post about the humane and correct treatment of animals, it seems inevitable that it segues into an apples and oranges comparison with man's inhumanity to man.
    While I certainly don't conedone the latter, it is of no more importance, to me, than the former. [;)]


    I don't believe it is Apples and Oranges, empathy is empathy, some have it, some don't.The things that make me want to help a fellow human being and an injured animal are IMO, the same basic instinct.
    Watched a guy build a fence across a centuries old game trail and then demand I shoot all the Deer for destroying his fence. Some people don't get it and never will. Empathy, get some.[:D]


    That is it in a nutshell.
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