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Pythons Slither Amok in the Everglades

allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 2012 in General Discussion
Pythons Blamed For Everglade's Disappearing Animals
by CHRISTOPHER JOYCE


Morning Edition
January 31, 2012
The Florida Everglades is infested with Burmese pythons. To keep them from spreading, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is making it illegal to import the pythons into the country, or transport them across state lines. Scientists have discovered the pythons are doing more damage than ever imagined.



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Joseph Wasilewski, a wildlife biologist, captures a wild python on the side of the Tamiami Trail road that cuts through the Florida Everglades on Sept. 16, 2009.


Scientists are reporting that aliens are wiping out the animals in Florida's Everglades.

The aliens are Burmese pythons from Asia. They've been slithering around south Florida for decades. But scientists now say the constrictors are so bad, they're eating their way through the swamps. And the federal government has decided to take action to prevent their spread.

One scientist who has been trying to find out just how bad the invasion has become is Michael Dorcas. He's been catching snakes since he was a child in Texas. But he says a 15-foot Burmese python is a handful ... or two.

"You typically try to grab them behind the head," he says, and "get somebody else to grab the back end of them. But often they still defecate all over you, even if they can't bite you, so it's always an unpleasant thing when you catch a wild python."

Dorcas is now a biologist at Davidson College in North Carolina. For the past eight years, besides catching pythons, he has been driving through the Everglades counting animals - specifically, midsize mammals.

Dorcas wanted to know how big a bite the pythons are taking out of the mammal population. When he compared the number of mammals now with the 1990s, when pythons were less common, he was shocked. "Once we calculated the percentages, we had no idea they were going to be this dramatic."

How dramatic? "A 99.3 percent decrease in raccoon observations," he reports. "Decreases of 98.9 percent in possums, 94 percent white-tailed deer, 87.5 percent in bobcats."




Nearly all the raccoons, possums, deer and bobcats gone.

Now, counting animals by sight from a car isn't foolproof, but it is an accepted practice in wildlife research.

Dorcas reports his findings in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. He says it's the first study to actually quantify the effect of the pythons' appetite in the Everglades.

A Python Invasion

He blames pythons because in areas known to be thickest with the snake, the mammals are scarcer. Where there are fewer pythons, there are more mammals. And there's no evidence that a disease is to blame, either. Furthermore, mammals and birds (the latter are also common snacks for pythons, as necropsies have revealed) often gather near water, where pythons like to feed. And Dorcas points out that snakes big enough to eat a good-sized raccoon haven't lived in Florida for millions of years. So "local" animals are "naive."

The onset of the python invasion is often blamed on snake owners who release their pets when they get too big for comfort.

Lawyer Marshall Meyers represents the pet industry and the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council. He says maybe some pet owners do that, but he also cites a report that a hurricane overwhelmed a snake breeding site in Florida that could have spread the snakes. And while pythons are no doubt eating mammals, it's more complicated than that.

"I think it's habitat loss," Meyers says, and the fact that there's less fresh water in the Everglades now, which could reduce wildlife numbers.

But he acknowledges that the python invaders and other exotic animals that escape or are released by owners give the pet trade a bad name.

"They're species that are not in this country, that we do not want in this country, because if they came in through pet trade or through the zoos, they can cause a lot of environmental harm, and that's just a * eye," he says.



The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has been watching the python explosion and is taking action. On Jan. 17, the agency made it illegal to import Burmese pythons or transport them across state lines. That includes three other constrictor species from Africa and South America: the yellow anaconda and the northern and southern African pythons.

Biologist Susan Jewell, with the service, studies injurious species that invade the U.S. - things like zebra mussels and poisonous lionfish. She says it's possible Florida's pythons could spread if they learn how to survive in colder weather. "I think that it's a good heads-up for everybody," Jewell says. "This can happen anywhere - and most likely will if these snakes get established."

Jewell says invasive species sometimes thrive in new places where they don't have natural enemies. "It just shows what we don't know about species when they get taken out of their native range and taken to a new area," she says.

Jewell says the import ban won't help the Everglades - it's too late there. It's meant to keep pythons and other constrictors from spreading. The Fish and Wildlife Service's research suggests that they could live almost anywhere in the Southern U.S.

The ban allows people who now own these snakes to keep them, and you can still buy and sell them within a state or export them overseas. Jewell emphasizes that the new rule doesn't mean anyone has to give up his snake.

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    1880texan1880texan Member Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I HATE snakes. Treat em all with extreme predjudice - BANG.
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    tacking1tacking1 Member Posts: 3,844
    edited November -1
    pythons running? This I gotta see.
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    nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,026 ******
    edited November -1
    Several years ago, we caught an 11-foot python right here in NE Texas.

    People had been reporting seeing a huge snake. We thought they were exaggerating until we actually met up with it. It was sent to a home for wayward snakes.
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    chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To keep them from spreading, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is making it illegal to import the pythons into the country, or transport them across state lines.


    .........or transport them across state lines.


    Have to protect states like Maine and Alaska from wild populations of Burmese pythons.
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    nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FWS should ban the importation of ALL snakes, but the Reptile Lobby apparently has too much juice in Washington.

    Neal
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    dreherdreher Member Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You don't suppose that Woodshed87 could devise a python call do you? Maybe python hunting could get big like turkey hunting or maybe Florida could start paying a bounty. In either case Woody could be a busy man![:D]
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    shootuadealshootuadeal Member Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I highly doubt if these Pythons are eating all the deer in Florida like they make it out to be. There probably are quite a few now that they have a decent breeding population but I think this is a news article meant to shock and scare with much less of a threat than they make it out to be.
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,988 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    FWS should ban the importation of ALL snakes, but the Reptile Lobby apparently has too much juice in Washington.

    Neal



    ? Why, why target the importation of snakes, when we have introduced birds across the country and there are hundreds of thousands of exotic mammals kept as pets? Why not limit the possession of large pythons to states where they cannot survive winters?
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    gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thouht this was about Colt's move to Florida. [;)][:D]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
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    rongrong Member Posts: 8,459
    edited November -1
    I think the horse is already
    out of the barn!
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is hard for me to imagine a python catching an adult deer.
    But, when Mrs. Deer puts the fawn to bed under a bush for 3 or 4 hours while she goes off to browse, I bet the python would make a quick snack of that fawn.

    On the other hand you have lots of these huge snakes cruising the Everglades, they have to eat something, so I don't doubt that they are making a big dent in the raccoon and possum populations.
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    woodshed87woodshed87 Member Posts: 25,785
    edited November -1
    I'm Toolin Up boys.........[^][;)]http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=271697743quote:Originally posted by dreher
    You don't suppose that Woodshed87 could devise a python call do you? Maybe python hunting could get big like turkey hunting or maybe Florida could start paying a bounty. In either case Woody could be a busy man![:D]
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    gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They make really nice boots and I'm told taste like chicken! [;)][:p]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
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    BeeramidBeeramid Member, Moderator Posts: 7,264 ******
    edited November -1
    One could have a lot of fun with an air boat and a shotgun or two.
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    Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
    One could have a lot of fun with an air boat and a shotgun or two.

    +1
    They REALLY need to do this down there.

    On the other hand I think the largest part of the wild life is gone due to urban sprawl.

    I left there in 1991, and can't even imagine what it's like by now.[xx(]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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    fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
    One could have a lot of fun with an air boat and a shotgun or two.

    +1
    They REALLY need to do this down there.

    On the other hand I think the largest part of the wild life is gone due to urban sprawl.

    I left there in 1991, and can't even imagine what it's like by now.[xx(]

    [xx(] Is exactly right...[xx(]
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    CrittergitterCrittergitter Member Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    It is hard for me to imagine a python catching an adult deer.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy67XU6xEi8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvuZaK5CnTU
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Incredible that Mr. Python could eat the deer, great video.


    But how did he catch it?

    Did you see that .303 Enfield hole just behind the shoulder?
    just kidding
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,988 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Allen, they are lie-in-wait predators, lying by a game trail or near a water hole. Large pythons routinely eat smaller deer and antelope in Africa and Asia, and wallabies and kangaroos in Oz.
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    wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,204 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They are smart hunters. These big pythons will eat humans given the opportunity.
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    agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    FWS should ban the importation of ALL snakes, but the Reptile Lobby apparently has too much juice in Washington.

    Neal



    ? Why, why target the importation of snakes, when we have introduced birds across the country and there are hundreds of thousands of exotic mammals kept as pets? Why not limit the possession of large pythons to states where they cannot survive winters?




    You're giving the Government way too much credit for having a thought proccess.
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    footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    He Dog--Will they little Affikans too [?] [:0]
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,988 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by footlong
    He Dog--Will they little Affikans too [?] [:0]


    Your question is somewhat odius. I know of a single report of a giant python actually eating a human, and that was a reticulated python. There are several reports of pythons killing and unsuccessfully attempting to swallow a human, including at least one published account from Africa (involving a different species of python). I think you will have to find yourself a different vechicle to accomplish your racist program.
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    HavegunJoeHavegunJoe Member Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How about to stop the spread they authorize a bounty for the darn things. The only good giant snake is a dead giant snake if you ask me.
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,988 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Where they are not native you are exactly right Joe. The problem is they hide so well, especially when small (they hatch, about 50 or more at a time, at about 16") hunting them cannot get them all, or even a large %. Not unlike trying to get rid of feral pigs: hopeless.
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    tacking1tacking1 Member Posts: 3,844
    edited November -1
    my python likes holes
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    bambambambambambam Member Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
    One could have a lot of fun with an air boat and a shotgun or two.


    +1 they could sell hunts
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Florida ought to offer a bounty on them.

    I'm sure that some Florida good 'ol boys would make a living by bringing in Pythons, dead or alive.

    You couldn't eliminate the beasts but you could reduce the numbers.
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    Alan RushingAlan Rushing Member Posts: 9,002 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know and understand many things, but do not know or understand why they capture the brutes!

    It would seem the larger and more dramatic impact, would be to eliminate them anywhere and everywhere (including those that are "pets" and those in "wild life zoos" and such. [V] [:(] [:(!]
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    montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 58,125 ******
    edited November -1
    ...don't like no dam snake,,,,
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    LaidbackDanLaidbackDan Member Posts: 13,143 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only solution is to release African gorillas with flamethrowers and time released quantities of LSD placed under their skin into the everglades before it's too late.
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    hk-91hk-91 Member Posts: 10,050
    edited November -1
    Pythons are the one snake i would have for a pet if the wife wouldnt kill me for having one. Had a buddy that had one. I loved that snake, it seemed to remember me when ever i would go to his house. Was kinda weird. He let the snake Rome most of the time when he was home. I would come over to shoot the poop with him and that snake would come up to me every time. He said i was the only one that it did that to. Thing would come up to me and wrap around part of my leg and rest its head on my lap like a dog or cat would. I usally pet its head for a while ( seemed to like that).
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    LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Need to make a TV reality show like Swamp people. Only give them tags to catch Pythons in the Glades and allow them to sell the hides.


    I do find it kind of funny. The government will focus and put more effort and money into getting rid of Pythons before they will Illegal Aliens.
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    GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,784 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Really open season on them,,,I WOULD LOVE IT,,sorry, thats how I feel,,,
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    MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    The solution is likely simple, find some honey on a reality TV show and dress her up in Python belt, purse, shoes and hatband. Make it the new must have bling. Pythons will become as scarce as fleas on a Frog in no time. The only real problem I can see is, they become an endangered species on all continents before the fad passes.
    Or maybe convince the Chinese Python testicles work better than Rhino horn and taste better than Shark fins,.
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    bigboy12bigboy12 Member Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There have been some caught here in W TN. I say let's have a Burmese Python season with NO BAG LIMIT.
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    USN_AirdaleUSN_Airdale Member Posts: 2,987
    edited November -1
    quote: it's always an unpleasant thing when you catch a wild python.

    no kidding ??

    i too agree the state of Floriduh should offer a bounty on them, say about $5.00 a foot.

    i once upon a time was a bounty hunter, the state of Ohio offered a $5.00 bounty on Foxes, just needed the ears if i recall correctly.
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    rcrxmike_2rcrxmike_2 Member Posts: 3,275
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by USN_Airdale
    quote: it's always an unpleasant thing when you catch a wild python.

    no kidding ??

    i too agree the state of Floriduh should offer a bounty on them, say about $5.00 a foot.

    i once upon a time was a bounty hunter, the state of Ohio offered a $5.00 bounty on Foxes, just needed the ears if i recall correctly.



    my thoughts exactly..... sell them to boot makers....
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    tacking1tacking1 Member Posts: 3,844
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LaidbackDan
    The only solution is to release African gorillas with flamethrowers and time released quantities of LSD placed under their skin into the everglades before it's too late.


    already tried that in Atlanta and look where that went.
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    CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    FWS should ban the importation of ALL snakes, but the Reptile Lobby apparently has too much juice in Washington.

    Neal


    ATF should ban the importation of ALL guns, but the gun lobby apparently has too much juice in Washington.
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