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Wicen's Farm Shooting Range in PA (attn: Salzo)
CS8161
Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
Here is one about the Wicens farm. They had a machine gun demonstration and
military vehicle show and the PIA neighbor called the cops. One lone ranger
showed up and pulled a "Shut Down" of the shoot. Hundreds of heavily armed
machine gun owners (and wealthy ones at that) got really pissed off and the
Wicens came up with egg on their face.
They had gotten permission from the township supervisors to do the shoot and
the cop was totally beyond his authority to do what he did. He did it ,
none the less, and now the neighbor is sueing the Wicens and trying to shut
down the farm. The Wicens are fighting back and here is some of the dialog
that is flying around between gun enthusiasts back east. They are holding a
benefit fund raiser at a local resturante to let the community come and
support them and and to tell the press what is going on. Hope you can come.
John
Original Message
From: <trwoolman@comcast.net>
To: "Steve" <venture75@earthlink.net>; "Robinson's Gunsmithing"
<jrobinson226@comcast.net>; "John Poiron" <jpoiron@compuserve.com>; "Bob P"
<rpannepack@aol.com>; "Bob K" <bkurz@sungardrs.com>; "Bob D"
<drdotsdad@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: Fwd: Save the Wicens Range
>
>
Forwarded Message:
> From: Tom Woolman - On Target Technologies <twoolman@ontargettek.com>
> To: trwoolman@comcast.net, matt318@voicenet.com, zachary@whitley.org,
cameron@solutionsexperts.com, ron_rossbach@merck.com, deadgunn@aol.com
> Subject: Fwd: Save the Wicens Range
> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:28:45 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> --- Andy Barniskis <adbco@netaxs.com> wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:25:27 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Andy Barniskis <adbco@netaxs.com>
> > To: adbco@netaxs.com
> > Subject: Save the Wicens Range
> >
> >
> > Friends:
> >
> > I've thought about things a few days before passing
> > this along, as
> > follows:
> >
> > You will remember (I hope) the things I passed along
> > a week or so ago
> > about the benefit dinner to save the Wicens Shooting
> > Range; they
> > are being sued by a developer, ironically, after a
> > municipal cop
> > unilaterally shut down a shooting event there.
> > While the cop and
> > possibly the municipality should be sued, it is the
> > range that is
> > under attack!
> >
> > However -- I was disconcerted when I first learned
> > that the Wicens'
> > attorney is associated with the firm of Eastburn and
> > Gray. Those
> > of you from here in PA will recall that Bill
> > Eastburn has been a
> > very vocal activist on behalf of some of the HCI
> > clones here in
> > the state.
> >
> > THAT did not make sense to me, and I feared also
> > that that fact would
> > subvert gun owners' support -- as it yet might.
> > There is at least
> > the appearance of our funds going to enrich a gun
> > grabber, and the
> > fear that the case could at the same time be
> > subverted.
> >
> > Following is Joe Wicen -- the son in the family
> > range business --
> > explaining the situation. I place it before you for
> > your consideration,
> > because you all know by now what I think about
> > "half-truths" in the
> > form of concealment of facts in political
> > situations. Joe maintains
> > that the situation is, first, unchangeable, and that
> > second, the actual
> > attorney in the case, Mike Carr, is not influenced
> > by Bill Eastburn's
> > ideology.
> >
> > After days of consideration I have decided to accept
> > Joe Wicen's
> > explanation, and to proceed to do what *I* can, to
> > promote this
> > event and to otherwise help the case along; at least
> > as long as things
> > appear to be as they should. I will have to be at
> > least SOMEWHAT
> > political in this, in the sense that I won't go
> > around amending the
> > posters to say "proceeds may benefit Bill Eastburn,"
> > or otherwise
> > frequently raising that subject; but at least I will
> > have layed all
> > the cards I have on the table at this point. I may
> > not be consistent
> > in my demands for "perfection," but I *am* acceding
> > to the demands
> > many of you make that I try to operate in the "real"
> > world. ;-)
> >
> > I want to urge everyone who can to come to support
> > the dinner. The
> > poster for it is attached, and I'd say, looks VERY
> > professionally done.
> > I'd urge all who can to help us out by printing it
> > out and spreading
> > it around.
> >
> > Any advice or opinions you may have about the
> > situation are both invited
> > and welcome.
> >
> >
> > --Andy Barniskis
> >
> >
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> > From: "bazzookajoe" <bazzookajoe@netzero.com>
> > To: <twoolman@ontargettek.com>, "Andy Barniskis"
> > <adbco@netaxs.com>
> > Subject: Lawsuit / Attorney's / Fundraiser
> > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:42:54 -0500
> >
> > Andy, in reply to your email, I'm sad to say,
> > this Eastburn is the
> > one and only. I had jury duty the day he was shot. I
> > was there. He was
> > allegedly having an affair with a prostitute that
> > just got out of Norristown
> > state hospital. When he tried to break off the
> > affair, she shot him with a
> > 38 snub nose revolver. That's when he started his
> > crusade for "common sense
> > gun laws." There, of course, was no mention of
> > adultery. I tried as hard
> > as I could to get a different attorney. I yelled
> > screamed and fought.
> > Dad and Uncle Frank will not budge. Because I'm not
> > the landowner, I
> > can't fire him. I tried once, but was stopped. Tom
> > is right - there is a
> > lot that smells fishy. But - of the utmost
> > importance is the fact that I
> > did get another lawyer on the case, Mike Carr. He is
> > associated with
> > Bill Eastburn; but he is a gun collector and
> > shooter/hunter. He's come
> > up with many good ideas for our defense.
> >
> > As I said, David Knipe wants to reopen the case.
> > He's not going to
> > like what he gets. He may want to shut it again,
> > fast. It was also
> > discovered that Knipes attorney was Judge Rufe's law
> > clerk during the
> > trial. That's not good for him. One of the reasons
> > the range is in bad
> > shape is that Dad and Uncle Frank are their own
> > worst enemies. They made
> > that original agreement knowing nothing about guns,
> > or having any vision
> > into the future. They just wanted to get Mr. Knipe
> > off their backs. John
> > VanLuvanee handled the case back then, being part of
> > Eastburn and Gray.
> > After that, he handled a case for Knipe about a
> > subdivision. There was
> > some falling out. Now Eastburn and Gray won't have
> > anything to do with
> > Knipe. The whole thing is a goddamn mess. I think
> > there was just more
> > stupidity going on than a conspiracy.
> >
> > On the other hand, I expect to inherit the range.
> > The outcome of
> > these events is going to make the difference of
> > whether there is even a
> > range here in the future for me to continue. Mike
> > Carr is working under
> > a microscope. In the fundraiser coming up, you are
> > not helping Dad and
> > Uncle Frank pay Bill Eastburn to make another bad
> > compromise that will
> > only prolong the end of the range. I will not
> > support that. I made it
> > clear that if that is what starts happening, I will
> > walk away. You are
> > supporting me and my goal of the continuation and
> > growth of the range,
> > which is the reason behind this battle. I've
> > collected hard evidence
> > that clearly demonstrates this guy is lying. I have
> > the support from the
> > whole neighborhood. You would have to be an idiot to
> > lose this. Also,
> > this is about more then firearms. It's old Bucks
> > County vs. New. I don't
> > intend to lose.
> >
> > This is more then a fundraiser. It's about every
> > body getting a
> > chance to see each other's face. Why give up the
> > opportunity to
> > participate in an event such as this. We have a
> > chance to be heard. The
> > media is going to be present (the newspaper and
> > television.) If you have
> > something to say, you can say it, and have all you
> > can eat and drink on
> > top of it. Many of the people supporting us aren't
> > even gun owners.
> > They're helping only because they can tell the
> > difference between right
> > and wrong. One of my plans for the future is to get
> > the range more
> > involved with the community. Classes for carry
> > permits and responsible
> > gun ownership for people buying their first firearm,
> > either for hunting
> > or personal defense. Practical pistol. Maybe we can
> > come up with
> > something to chart the course of where any money we
> > make from this goes.
> > I don't have the means to hire other lawyers and
> > have multiple lawsuits
> > all going at the same time, but I can heavily
> > influence the outcome of
> > this case.
> >
> > Sincerely, Joe Wicen
> >
Chris8161
Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof!
military vehicle show and the PIA neighbor called the cops. One lone ranger
showed up and pulled a "Shut Down" of the shoot. Hundreds of heavily armed
machine gun owners (and wealthy ones at that) got really pissed off and the
Wicens came up with egg on their face.
They had gotten permission from the township supervisors to do the shoot and
the cop was totally beyond his authority to do what he did. He did it ,
none the less, and now the neighbor is sueing the Wicens and trying to shut
down the farm. The Wicens are fighting back and here is some of the dialog
that is flying around between gun enthusiasts back east. They are holding a
benefit fund raiser at a local resturante to let the community come and
support them and and to tell the press what is going on. Hope you can come.
John
Original Message
From: <trwoolman@comcast.net>
To: "Steve" <venture75@earthlink.net>; "Robinson's Gunsmithing"
<jrobinson226@comcast.net>; "John Poiron" <jpoiron@compuserve.com>; "Bob P"
<rpannepack@aol.com>; "Bob K" <bkurz@sungardrs.com>; "Bob D"
<drdotsdad@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: Fwd: Save the Wicens Range
>
>
Forwarded Message:
> From: Tom Woolman - On Target Technologies <twoolman@ontargettek.com>
> To: trwoolman@comcast.net, matt318@voicenet.com, zachary@whitley.org,
cameron@solutionsexperts.com, ron_rossbach@merck.com, deadgunn@aol.com
> Subject: Fwd: Save the Wicens Range
> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:28:45 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> --- Andy Barniskis <adbco@netaxs.com> wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:25:27 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Andy Barniskis <adbco@netaxs.com>
> > To: adbco@netaxs.com
> > Subject: Save the Wicens Range
> >
> >
> > Friends:
> >
> > I've thought about things a few days before passing
> > this along, as
> > follows:
> >
> > You will remember (I hope) the things I passed along
> > a week or so ago
> > about the benefit dinner to save the Wicens Shooting
> > Range; they
> > are being sued by a developer, ironically, after a
> > municipal cop
> > unilaterally shut down a shooting event there.
> > While the cop and
> > possibly the municipality should be sued, it is the
> > range that is
> > under attack!
> >
> > However -- I was disconcerted when I first learned
> > that the Wicens'
> > attorney is associated with the firm of Eastburn and
> > Gray. Those
> > of you from here in PA will recall that Bill
> > Eastburn has been a
> > very vocal activist on behalf of some of the HCI
> > clones here in
> > the state.
> >
> > THAT did not make sense to me, and I feared also
> > that that fact would
> > subvert gun owners' support -- as it yet might.
> > There is at least
> > the appearance of our funds going to enrich a gun
> > grabber, and the
> > fear that the case could at the same time be
> > subverted.
> >
> > Following is Joe Wicen -- the son in the family
> > range business --
> > explaining the situation. I place it before you for
> > your consideration,
> > because you all know by now what I think about
> > "half-truths" in the
> > form of concealment of facts in political
> > situations. Joe maintains
> > that the situation is, first, unchangeable, and that
> > second, the actual
> > attorney in the case, Mike Carr, is not influenced
> > by Bill Eastburn's
> > ideology.
> >
> > After days of consideration I have decided to accept
> > Joe Wicen's
> > explanation, and to proceed to do what *I* can, to
> > promote this
> > event and to otherwise help the case along; at least
> > as long as things
> > appear to be as they should. I will have to be at
> > least SOMEWHAT
> > political in this, in the sense that I won't go
> > around amending the
> > posters to say "proceeds may benefit Bill Eastburn,"
> > or otherwise
> > frequently raising that subject; but at least I will
> > have layed all
> > the cards I have on the table at this point. I may
> > not be consistent
> > in my demands for "perfection," but I *am* acceding
> > to the demands
> > many of you make that I try to operate in the "real"
> > world. ;-)
> >
> > I want to urge everyone who can to come to support
> > the dinner. The
> > poster for it is attached, and I'd say, looks VERY
> > professionally done.
> > I'd urge all who can to help us out by printing it
> > out and spreading
> > it around.
> >
> > Any advice or opinions you may have about the
> > situation are both invited
> > and welcome.
> >
> >
> > --Andy Barniskis
> >
> >
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> > From: "bazzookajoe" <bazzookajoe@netzero.com>
> > To: <twoolman@ontargettek.com>, "Andy Barniskis"
> > <adbco@netaxs.com>
> > Subject: Lawsuit / Attorney's / Fundraiser
> > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:42:54 -0500
> >
> > Andy, in reply to your email, I'm sad to say,
> > this Eastburn is the
> > one and only. I had jury duty the day he was shot. I
> > was there. He was
> > allegedly having an affair with a prostitute that
> > just got out of Norristown
> > state hospital. When he tried to break off the
> > affair, she shot him with a
> > 38 snub nose revolver. That's when he started his
> > crusade for "common sense
> > gun laws." There, of course, was no mention of
> > adultery. I tried as hard
> > as I could to get a different attorney. I yelled
> > screamed and fought.
> > Dad and Uncle Frank will not budge. Because I'm not
> > the landowner, I
> > can't fire him. I tried once, but was stopped. Tom
> > is right - there is a
> > lot that smells fishy. But - of the utmost
> > importance is the fact that I
> > did get another lawyer on the case, Mike Carr. He is
> > associated with
> > Bill Eastburn; but he is a gun collector and
> > shooter/hunter. He's come
> > up with many good ideas for our defense.
> >
> > As I said, David Knipe wants to reopen the case.
> > He's not going to
> > like what he gets. He may want to shut it again,
> > fast. It was also
> > discovered that Knipes attorney was Judge Rufe's law
> > clerk during the
> > trial. That's not good for him. One of the reasons
> > the range is in bad
> > shape is that Dad and Uncle Frank are their own
> > worst enemies. They made
> > that original agreement knowing nothing about guns,
> > or having any vision
> > into the future. They just wanted to get Mr. Knipe
> > off their backs. John
> > VanLuvanee handled the case back then, being part of
> > Eastburn and Gray.
> > After that, he handled a case for Knipe about a
> > subdivision. There was
> > some falling out. Now Eastburn and Gray won't have
> > anything to do with
> > Knipe. The whole thing is a goddamn mess. I think
> > there was just more
> > stupidity going on than a conspiracy.
> >
> > On the other hand, I expect to inherit the range.
> > The outcome of
> > these events is going to make the difference of
> > whether there is even a
> > range here in the future for me to continue. Mike
> > Carr is working under
> > a microscope. In the fundraiser coming up, you are
> > not helping Dad and
> > Uncle Frank pay Bill Eastburn to make another bad
> > compromise that will
> > only prolong the end of the range. I will not
> > support that. I made it
> > clear that if that is what starts happening, I will
> > walk away. You are
> > supporting me and my goal of the continuation and
> > growth of the range,
> > which is the reason behind this battle. I've
> > collected hard evidence
> > that clearly demonstrates this guy is lying. I have
> > the support from the
> > whole neighborhood. You would have to be an idiot to
> > lose this. Also,
> > this is about more then firearms. It's old Bucks
> > County vs. New. I don't
> > intend to lose.
> >
> > This is more then a fundraiser. It's about every
> > body getting a
> > chance to see each other's face. Why give up the
> > opportunity to
> > participate in an event such as this. We have a
> > chance to be heard. The
> > media is going to be present (the newspaper and
> > television.) If you have
> > something to say, you can say it, and have all you
> > can eat and drink on
> > top of it. Many of the people supporting us aren't
> > even gun owners.
> > They're helping only because they can tell the
> > difference between right
> > and wrong. One of my plans for the future is to get
> > the range more
> > involved with the community. Classes for carry
> > permits and responsible
> > gun ownership for people buying their first firearm,
> > either for hunting
> > or personal defense. Practical pistol. Maybe we can
> > come up with
> > something to chart the course of where any money we
> > make from this goes.
> > I don't have the means to hire other lawyers and
> > have multiple lawsuits
> > all going at the same time, but I can heavily
> > influence the outcome of
> > this case.
> >
> > Sincerely, Joe Wicen
> >
Chris8161
Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof!