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C&R question

bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
edited September 2018 in General Discussion
Do the full automatic rifles listed in my C&R eligable firearms manual also have to be transfered like any other full auto or do I just have to send them a copy of my C&R license and it's legal for me to own? The reason I ask is because I'm thinking of buying this. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=66246923
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understand that a C&R license doesn't allow you to "engage in business," but it does allow you to buy, sell and trade to, "enhance or upgrade a collection."

    Let's suppose you wanted a No. 4 Enfield. You buy five of them. You cherry pick the keeper. The rest are trading stock. Your buddy has a Russian M44 that you like the looks of, and you trade. You have "upgraded your collection," have you not?

    At least that is my understanding of the C&R license. I could be wrong, and will stand correction, since I have never had one.

    When you buy a gun on your C&R license, does it mean you have to keep it forever?


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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got my renewal form for my C&R License, and was filling it out. It comes with a certificate of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(G)(5)(B)

    Basically a certificate of citizenship. The instructions aren't spelled out real well, and it has a place for "Name under which the application was filed" OK, that's me. Next is "Name of Person Certifying to Citizenship" Is that me, too, or is that someone attesting to my citizenship?

    I just don't want to make any mistakes on this application, because it's hell getting them straightened back out. I'm pretty sure my name needs to go in both places, but would appreciate advice from someone who knows for sure.

    Thanks,
    Dan
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I finally received my C&R license. Do/should I need to sign the original or should I leave it unsigned and sign all of the copies? Thanks.

    Todd
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    wasnt sure which forum to post this on so i guess I'll ask here. I just requested my C&R app this past weekend(fathers day presant to myself)and had a question come to mind. I already have my ccp. When i get a handgun with the C&R do i have to have it added to my ccp. I guess i dont understand if they make a distinction between me as a collector and me personally(wouldnt that be the same as i am not collecting for profit or business, just pleasure)[?].
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would it be legal for a C&R from out of state to come into VA and purchase an M1 Garand from a private seller? If so what paperwork should the C&R present to the seller?
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Sarah Palin shotgun has me wondering. Would it be considered a C&R eligible firearm? To me it would fall under the following catagory:


    c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In regards to mnrivrat48 post about a modified Winchester,

    If a rifle over 100 years old was modified (changing it's caliber) well over 50 years ago (making it a curio) would it still be C&R eligible?

    Curio definition is - something considered novel, rare, or bizarre, curiosity.
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What does it require for one to obtain a C&R license,applications,fees etc...


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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey guys I had a question. My C&R license is for illinois and Im now living in Wyoming. How does one transfer ones license/address?

    Thanks,
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  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,080 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nope....it has to be unaltered to qualify. People don't stress out too terribly much about the C&R stuff because it would be nearly impossible for anyone doing an audit on the paperwork to catch an error of this kind, but still.....its not worth the risk.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It depends.

    A "curio" is something old that you would find in an antique furniture shop.

    A "curio & relic" is a firearm at least 50 years old, & which has not been substantially modified. It can be refinished, restocked (if the replacement is similar to original), rechambered if the new caliber could have been original, or have scope/sights added.

    An "antique firearm" was made in or prior to 1898, is not chambered in a modern fire or center fire caliber, & remains an antique firearm even if modified.

    Neal

    EDIT: Don, like you, I was also a little surprised:

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-antique

    Seems the fellas with the bulges in the cheap suits have slipped a few new regs in on us.
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  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I distinctly called the ATF regarding a 98 Mauser Amberg circa WWI era which was sporterized. The answer I received is yes it was C&R eligible based on time of manufacture. No modification was done to the receiver. The sights removed and stock was cut.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    It depends.

    A "curio" is something old that you would find in an antique furniture shop.

    A "curio & relic" is a firearm at least 50 years old, & which has not been substantially modified. It can be refinished, restocked (if the replacement is similar to original), rechambered if the new caliber could have been original, or have scope/sights added.

    An "antique firearm" was made in or prior to 1898, is not chambered in a modern fire or center fire caliber, & remains an antique firearm even if modified.

    Neal


    Neal are you sure about he modern or centerfire caliber stipulation for antiques? Everything I can find regarding this suggests that if the rifle is not an AOW type, it doesn't matter what it fires.

    For example I have two 3-digit Krags in the readily available centerfire 30 Govt (30-40). Both of these were manufactured in 1894 and to the best of my knowledge are legally considered antiques, and thus are not regulated so far as the Federal Government is concerned.
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