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Glock Advice Needed ASAP

ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
My local shooting range is holding a contest. These are the terms. Pick any glock you want and you have to fire 60 rounds in 60 seconds at 15 yards. The person with the best group in the quickest time wins the glock of their choice. It is for memebers only and I am very excited about it. My question is what glock should I go with. I need some thing with little recoil and can hid dead center. I need to put in alot of practice this week to be ready by Saturday but I need to practice with the glock that I am going to use and I do not know what it is yet. Help!!!!!!!

If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.

Edited by - ccasey612 on 08/05/2002 10:19:36
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    I only have 1 glock, a G22 with an internal lasermax laser sight that is awsome. At 15 yards I could draw a smiley face on a full size silouet. Are you shooting from bench or off hand? Sounds fun, my advise would be to practice enouph that you loose the adrenaline rush and can remain calm and controlled. Too many people that enter competition are so hyped up they cant think and end up spraying and praying and do far worse than if they would take their time and be calm.

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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FYI. I am shooting from the bench and I know that I am going to need alot of practice.

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Assuming you can't lay your hands on a ported Glock, you'll want the heaviest, least recoiling of the bunch. I'd recommend the Glock 17. You'll be shooting the smallest caliber available in a Glock, and you can pick a light load that shoots straight out of your particular gun. You could use the longslide if you can get ahold of one, but at least go for the full size 17, not the compact 19.

    In the case of competitions, people have been known to make their own light loads, just enough to cycle the gun reliably, to minimize recoil -- which strikes me as cheating, but not if it's the rules and everyone's doing it.

    Pick the load you're going to use, adjust the sights for it preferably with the help of your local armorer's special Glock sight tool (downward as well as sideward pressure is necessary to drift Glock sights in the dovetail), and then shoot the load you'll shoot in the contest. If you can get a Glock with the adjustable sights, of course, so much the better. If they're providing the ammo, you should ask them what the contest ammo will be so you can sight for it and practice with it. My second choice would be the big heavy Glock 21 with an older, slower load like the "flying ashtray" or something that won't kick much. You don't want to trade bullet weight for hotter powder load, so fps isn't everything, but you want the round with the least perceived recoil that comes off the shelf from the manufacturer, because you know a Glock will cycle anything professionally made.

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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The rulses say that everyone will be shooting the same brand ammo but in the cal that they choose. In this range you have to buy all you ammo from them. This is one of the ways they make money on this. They also make money on this because people will pay $150.oo each to join the club for a contest to win a gun thats worth more the $500. Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of going 17.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bench accuracy alone isn't everything in this contest. Ease of follow-up shots will count just as much. 60 rounds in 60 seconds? Depending upon mag capacity, you will need to reload at least 4 times to shoot 60 rounds in 60 seconds, meaning that you'll have to aim and fire faster than a leisurely 1 round per second in order to make it. I would personally suggest loading 4 hi-cap mags with 15 rounds apiece. That way you'll know exactly where you are vs. the clock when each is empty. If they're limiting everyone to the PC 10 round mags, all I can say is, expertise and speed reloads will win the day.

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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is what I am thinking. 1 Glock 17. 4 High cap mags. Alot of practice and taking home the 17 as my new gun. I have seen alot of the guys I am shooting against shoot before. I am younger, quciker, and have a whole lot better Eye sight. I feel like I can win this. Any advise on reloading the gun. This is my first contest other then a few dollars won here and there. This is the first one that is organized. I want to shoot fast and accurate. Any advise???

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, first the gl17 would be my choise. but 60 rds in 60 secs is close to impossible unless you have three extra mags laoded with 15 rds each or 19,19,19,3. check if the reloading is deducted from the firing line time,check to see if there are penalties for extra bullets or over time. remember breath and squeeze; repeat 19 times,push ejection button ensert fresh mag,repeat process2 and 1 sixth times. good luck and post a pic of your new gun. respt submitted dads-freehold

    rodney colson
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I definantly agree with the Glock 17 it has less recoil,and follow up shots are much quicker.


    Best of luck!!

    Rugster
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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What the do is add points. Someone who shoots 25 Good shots has just as good of a chance of winning as some one who shoots 75 bad shots. Finishing all shots is a bonus and the add the points together and they do something with the time you finished and get you a total score. The person who has the top score wins.

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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  • pikeal1pikeal1 Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November -1
    if you haven't done it yet...get yourself a extended slide release for your glock...its good to have even if you weren't competing, but it will definetly save you a couple of ticks on the firing line.
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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The glock that I will be shooting with will not be mine.

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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  • pikeal1pikeal1 Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November -1
    well..in either case....lots of luck to you. I'm sure you'll do well. just remember to practice and time yourself so you get a feel for the contest.

    good luck.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    No wasted motion. Practice a tight drill, short strokes, keep everything close in front of you. Don't lay things off to the side and go reaching all around. Keep the row of spare mags near your off hand (assuming they're to be laid on the table), and when you drop the empty turn the gun just enough so the empty goes out from under your weapon, pop in the new mag, set the gun on the rest and continue. Forget the empties until the drill is over. If you have to draw the mags from belt holders, pick one that's .45 double-stack size, that holds the mags looser than you would wear normally. Decide in advance to use one method to drop the slide, preferably the slide release, but if you're more reliable and sure-handed racking it and dropping it (or if you're left handed like I am) then do that every time instead in practice. Know in advance if there will be enough light at the shooting bench to see your sight picture. I've been in indoor ranges where you walk up to the booth and you're in the dark! Get there 20 minutes ahead so your eyes adjust to conditions.

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    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks guys. I will ge going over to the range around 5 today to practice. I fell a little nervous but I guess with practice tht will go away.

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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, some really good advice here, esp offerer on mag reliece and the advice about lighting. again good luck. respt submitted dads-freehold

    rodney colson
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's a good drill for brushing up on keeping your rapid fire groups small and practicing rapid reloads.

    Start with three mags and a double pouch. After you've steamlined your moves you can work up to the total number of mags for your contest. Only load 2 rds. in each mag, then place them in their pouches. Load the other in the gun and chamber a round. Shoot a rapid 2 rd group on three seperate small targets, for example three saucer sized paper plates spaced across a sillhouette.

    With each run through this drill you're covering grip, sight acquisition, sight alignment, trigger control, recoil recovery and reloading several times while only expending 6 rds. of ammo. Using three seperate targets you're able to see the results of what you felt happen as you fired each group. The fact that these targets are small will also focus your thoughts on small groups.

    Economy of motion is your goal when reloading during a string of fire. Set up a video camera and watch what's happening as you conduct your reloads and get back on target. By doing this you'll be able to spot lots of wasted motion and that will speed things up for you. Using the video camera also allows you to time yourself during each stage of the drill and track your progress without having to purchase a timer.

    A very important element of accurate rapid fire is to only release the trigger far enough to achieve sear reset. That is, only release the trigger far enough to allow you to press the trigger for another round.

    Good luck and let us know how things turn out.

    Edited by - Txs on 08/05/2002 20:11:19
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Txs --

    That's a good drill for a semi-auto, but do you know that partial trigger release can get you balled up bad with a revolver? If you don't fully release the trigger of almost any revolver, you can find a point at which it locks so that you cannot pull the trigger for a follow-up shot. I met a dealer who said that of S&W and Colts, one did that and one did not, but I was able to create that lock-up on both brands. And on my Charter as well. On revolvers, you want to practice a more complete trigger release between double action shots. Don't try this at home unless the gun is empty, folks.

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    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • punchiepunchie Member Posts: 2,792 ✭
    edited November -1
    ccasey612
    Is this @ D&P? Tell Joel you want to shoot a G34. Know a lot of the shooters there. Good luck and hope Bubba isn't shooting.


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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    60 rounds in 60 seconds?
    Maybe you should use that phenomenal Jennings of yours.

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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Joel,

    Yes it is at D&P. Must of heard of this before they seem to do it alot.

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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