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ADAM AND EVE....

n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
Okay guys.. here is one before I go to bed, just to get yout thinking... Bloody devil arent I?.. hehehehheheheh

If Adam and Eve were the first humans on Earth, (not being born the tradional way) did they have navels or belly buttons?...

Night... sleep well... *VEG


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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neither, they didn't have Parents

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    NOPE...leastways,Sherlock didn't think so....

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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    I hate pop quizes---- Both?
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    But even more important, (IF) they had one was it an ineee or an outeee?

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, we may laugh now but in the reausanse that was a test of fellow ship. you could be ex communicated by how you answered even if you believed the view of the church. respt submitted dads-freehold
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Who did their son marry after slaying his brother and being sent off to wherever he was sent?

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  • muleymuley Member Posts: 1,583 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    "And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare E'Noch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, E'Noch".

    Hmmm...must have pulled another creation over in the next county.
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  • Guns & GlassGuns & Glass Member Posts: 864 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since they were created, not born like us, they wouldn't have had belly buttons.

    Aglore: They married their sisters. There wasn't anyone else besides the Adam & Eve family.

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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How can you answer that question with authority HA!! HA!!You have my little mind cranking.

    Best!!

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If they didn't have belly buttons, they didn't have umbilical cords. If they didn't have umbilical cords, they didn't need prenatal nutriment. If they didn't need prenatal nutriment, they didn't need to excrete. If they didn't need to excrete, they would not have had *ssh*les. If they didn't have *ssh*les, they could not possibly be human.

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  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    Does that mean if it weren't for #ss%oles we'd all be full of *

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  • gunner@nwinet.comgunner@nwinet.com Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think I read somewhere that God created Adam in his own image. I guess if Adam had a belly button, then so does God. How did he get his????

    Gunner
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I read somewhere that versions of the Adam and Eve and Christmas birth stories appear with slight variations in the lore of several religions and in the histories of "great" men like Alexander, and are likely not to be taken literally in every jot and detail. Obviously, as it says in "Inherit the Wind," if Cain went over to the adjoining land and "knew his wife," either somebody pulled another creation in the next county, or Adam and Eve were more example than literally the only first couple. Sorry in advance; don't mean to offend. Of course if you do take the tales literally, then I'd say if God wanted them to have belly buttons, they had belly buttons. But they were, as we say, decorative rather than useful, like the intakes on some car hoods.

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  • rameleni1rameleni1 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, they both had belly buttons. I beleive in GOD, but don't beleive in the adam and eve thing. God created MAN in his own image. We don't know what that is. I believe we were told the adam and eve to explain why we are here, when we could understand it. I believe gods image to be very simple, something that is in everything. I think we evolved from something very simple, over a long time. Why did Jesus have to be born? (That means he had a belly button)

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe the Adam and Eve story was used to explain Original sin (eating the apple, despite God's warning). But if they ate the apple, how did they eliminate waste after digestion? The must have had *ssh*les. And if they had *ssh*les, they must have also needed to excrete prenatal food. And if they injested prenatal food, they must have had umbilical cords. And if they had umbilical cords, they must have had belly buttons.

    Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
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  • charlie15charlie15 Member Posts: 937 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Probably aliens, they don't have belly buttons!!



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  • Guns & GlassGuns & Glass Member Posts: 864 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some answers to some ???'s will only be learned in Heaven.

    However, Adam & Eve never needed prenatal nourishment since they weren't born, but created as mature beings. "And God breathed life into" is part of the Gensis translation.
    So, the need for an umbilical cord never was there in Adam & Eve.

    But, since Cain, and Abel were conceived (Adam 'knew' his wife), what we know as normal a pregancy would require an umbilical cord. That would give all the 'born' offspring a belly button.

    The wording of, "in Gods image" is exactly that. An image. By it's own words it is self defining. An image isn't an exact copy/replica. Furthermore, in the Gensis account God specifically doesn't say the creation was "like" Him, but rather, "in the image of". Very specific.
    If exactly alike, then Adam and God would be equal so much that Adam never would have sinned with Eve in the Garden of Eden.

    Some words used in the early Greek, and Hebrew to describe procreation (sex act of impregnating) were, "knew", and "laid with".
    "Knew" is a very specific, defining, and enlightening choice.
    The act just wasn't, and isn't always one of, "wham-bam, thank you 'Mam", but also that of learning about her physical desires-likes-dislikes, pleasing her, and mentally - spititually blending. Exciting.







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    Edited by - Guns & Glass on 08/25/2002 08:39:15
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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    now that we have solved the great creation riddle once & for all we can move on to the big bang thing & get THAT out of the way.
    DAMN THE BELLYBUTTONS, FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There was some in-your-face wacko woman on TV the other night talking about "creation science" and "the various evolution theories" and claiming that there is more scientific proof for creationism than there is for evolution. I think she must have dropped by the station from a meeting of the Flat Earth Society. But I assure you, she was deadly serious. One more example of how you can be a friendly, sincere member of society and totally out of your freakin' mind all at the same time.

    Reminds me of an old truism: "They don't commit you to an institution for BEING crazy; they commit you to an institution for ACTING crazy." Out there walking the street is quite a smorgasbord of mixed nuts.

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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Great job folks. Thanks for keeping me up BR. Now that we are warmed up, let's try the age old "What's the true meaning of life" thing.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually, the meaning of life is a much more interesting question. I don't completely buy the "God's mysterious plan" thing whenever some little girl gets molested and murdered by a low-life.

    I believe there is "God's world" and "man's world," and a taste of God's world is occasionally available here, but we sure as hell have other forces at work as well, from nature to mental illness to greed. I do not believe we are robots walking through a pre-ordained series of events, and I do not believe God is responsible for every stupid thing men do with their free will.

    Remember how upset He was, in the old stories, when men didn't cooperate? That means it is possible to turn one's face toward God, or away. The Psalms make a lot of sense when they talk about "seeking His face." I do think you can live a more spiritual life on that plane. Also, anyone here who hasn't read Brother Lawrence might enjoy that little essay, "The Practice of the Presence of God." It explains how Brother Lawrence, a 16th Century monk, spent his entire life assuming the constant presence of God -- literally -- and how he spent his time as a result. Quite inspiring.

    As for the meaning of life, I'm convinced nobody knows for sure. This is the one unanswerable question, and it is why UFOs theories and movies like 2001 and CONTACT and books like Chariots of the Gods exist. Hoping, superstitiously, that someone will one day drop by and explain it all to us.

    There is too much misery here for this to be Heaven. Sometimes, but not always, it seems like Hell no matter how devout one tries to be. And the most puzzling of all, consequences happen to innocents who have not earned a punishment. I really think our minds must be too small to encompass it, or else we're all just the butt of a cosmic joke. Why else does a fine young man with a good post office job, a young wife and 5 kids drop dead in a week from a brain tumor in New Haven, Indiana .... Why do whole countries-full of innocent families starve to death?

    I loved the episode of THE WEST WING last season (a very well written show despite the Democrat administration, trust me -- there's even a lovely, whip-smart Republican lawyer working in this White House) in which, after the death of his saintly secretary, the President asks for a moment alone in National Cathedral, and then shouts at God, asking why, and provoking Him by referring to Him as a "feckless thug," and stamping out a cigarette near the altar on his way out. Bravest piece of television I've seen in ages. Sheen was robbed of an Emmy for it.

    It does take the patience of Job sometimes to wait in ignorance for the reasons. I think science represents our pro-active attempt to find the reasons without waiting for someone to hand them to us on a silver plate -- because that "someone" may or may not be there.

    Personally, I think we've paid in full for "original sin" and it's about time to take the heat off. Let Elizabeth Smart be found alive, for one thing. Thanks for the 9 miners, but surely Elizabeth is innocent too.

    As far as the Meaning of Life is concerned, Monty Python has done about as good a job as anyone of explaining it -- and that was none at all.

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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Definitely the big bang has turned to be a big squirt from the the ends of elongated space to the begining of the cosmic * !

    Is the universe pink ?????....Yep it is ! .......

    By the way I have "read" the bible and I am still waiting for it to "say" something, there must be a lot of people there on LSD so many saying the bible says them things .....PUN intended!!!


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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Judge --
    It is extremely selfish of anyone on the board to dirty up a thread in hopes of getting it poofed, thereby bringing other people's efforts in writing to naught. I would suggest you clean up the above post for the sake of the more sensitive here, so that the thread can stay.

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  • Guns & GlassGuns & Glass Member Posts: 864 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Offeror, your post 'opened my eyes'. Never gave it a thought that someone would post a reply with that kind of intent to have it 'poofed'
    Thanks for enlightening me.

    Funny, and yet sad. Throught history, people have said, "the world is flat", "you can't fly", "bleed the bad blood out", "what do you need a comphewter for", "you can't climb that mountain".
    And so on, and so on.

    When we look back at the develpoments over the last 10, 50, even the last 100 years,....life has changed, the world has changed because of what we have learned. Or, rather what we have uncovered.
    Interestingly, people way down deep inside for the most part haven't. Even when the acorns are hitting them on the head.

    I remember my mother going off on me because of reading science fiction. One time she and Dad were out, came home, saw me reading the book, "Rocket To The Moon", and forbid me to bring any more "junk like that" into the house.
    That was 1968. A few years later we were on the moon.
    I love teasing her about it. She's only 76.


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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Uh....... Nope

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  • Brth729Brth729 Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Having been raised in a religious family, I was brought up to believe many things. First, and foremost, I do belive that there is a GOD. I also believe that He did give His Son for us. But, there's some things that have always made me raise an eyebrow. BlackRoses, to answer your question, I don't think Adam & Eve had belly buttons. My reasoning for it being that way is because they were created. They weren't born.
    There's been some other interesting topics brought up as well. To touch on the "what is the meaning of life ?" question, I really don't feel there is a true meaning for life. Life is what a person makes of it. Good, bad, or otherwise. My grandfather told me something once when I was younger, and I think it was because I asked him the same kind of question. It's always stuck with me, and I used part of it as my signature for a while. He told me that life is a curious thing. It's not measured by how many years we live, but by the quality of those years. It's not so much what a man possesses, but what possesses a man that detemines the meaning in his life. If there is a better place after we depart this world, all the better for those who have lived life in a meaningful way.
    With that having been said, and moving to a raised eyebrow, I have a problem wanting to believe that our length of time on this planet has been preplanned. If I live to be the same age as my grandfather(94), or if I get killed by a truck crossing the street, it will happen when it happens. I belive It will depend on the circumstances, not because it's been preordained.
    To keep from making this reply to drawn out, I'll only get you thinking about one more thing. Many items have been found that are tens of thousands of years old and older. As it was taught to me, the Bible only goes back so many thousands of years BC. If that's the case, I can understand the reason for the arguments between creation and evolution. I want to belive that we were put here. And for us to live good and wholesome lives with the thought that eternal happiness awaits us when we pass on. But who's to say that Gods' "let there be light" wasn't somebodies' interpretation of a "big bang"?


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