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Saxonpig and Nunn

Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
Saxonpig, I cannot send email from this stupid machine so I have to go thru here to contact you, I checked with the FFL and he said that has to be shipped from a dealer. If you could please send an adjusted total to my email asap, she went to send the money order last night but I told her to wait untill I contacted you, sorry for the inconvienance.

Nunn, if I win that auction could you please call 1-800-456-8227 after 5 pm, press 2 for dispatch and when the call is answered ask them to send a phone number to contact you to my truck, my truck nuumber is 717. I will then call you and make arranmgements to meet up with you. Saxon, if you wish you may do the same and I can just drop yours off to you so you are paid and then just ship from a dealer, that will save me a couple bucks in postage and money order fee.

Sorry for using this to get ahold of you but this dang piece of junk will not allow outbound email. I should be heading back to Memphis today and can meet up with y'all probably thursday.

BTW, I'm stuck in FT Pierce FL and it SUCKS!!!
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, there is no problem, I was just thinking if I was in the neighborhood I could drop it off to you instead of mailing it, the FFL is mailing you his license seperalty(guess he don't trust me!)He claims that he needs a form to transfer the registration, Not sure why but that is how hew works. I just need the new shipping cost.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Copied. If you win, I will phone you. nunn

    SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the best gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net
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  • gars320gars320 Member Posts: 471 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    saxonpig:
    This is not my business and I don't know what the deal is with any other dealer but when I asked my dealer why I had to have an item sent for me through him it had to come from an FFL, he TOLD me that it was to make things easier for him because it simplified his records if it came from an FFL so BATF could check his records without a lot of hassle.
    This is what he told me, it just made it easier for him was the bottom line. So I had to pay an additional transfer fee on the other end. I now use a different FFL as this guy was $10 more than his competition anyway.

    Nil Illegitimus Carborundum
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    My goodness! What does that dealer do when Joe Schmuck comes in to sell him a gun? Does he turn him away, tell him to take it to another dealer, so it can be shipped, or does he copy down Joe's particulars from his Driver License and enter it in his bound book?

    The BATF knows we accept guns from individuals as a part of every day business. They don't freak out when they see a person's name, address, and Driver License number in the "Received From" column.

    SHEESH!

    SIG pistol armorer/FFL Dealer/Full time Peace Officer, Moderator of General Discussion Board on Gunbroker. Visit www.gunbroker.com, the best gun auction site on the Net! Email davidnunn@texoma.net
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  • SilverBoxSilverBox Member Posts: 2,347 ✭
    edited November -1
    SaxonPig is that also true if the firearm cross's statelines? I thought anytime you mailed a firearm and it crossed state lines it had to originate from a FFL...
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  • SilverBoxSilverBox Member Posts: 2,347 ✭
    edited November -1
    Intersting. I've been wanting to buy a AMT Automag II. However, I live in California and we have the stupid handgun cert. list that disaalows the importation into the state or sale of any handgun not on that cert. list into the state. The California Dept. of Justice does allow Private Party Transfers of guns not on the cert. list. I've spoken to several local FFL's about this and they all say that the only way I can get one legally is by Private Party Transfer within the state. Its probably a problem with the state importation rules and not the BATF rules. I can't seem to find anyone within the state who has one that is willing to sell it. I've seen several up on Gunbroker, but never form California :(..

    Does this sound right to you or do you think it is legal for a local FFL to recieve a AMT Automag II from out of state and then transfer it to me via PPT?
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  • duckhunterduckhunter Member Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I AM NOT SURE ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO SELL, SHIP, OR BUY USED GUNS IN YOUR STATE. MOST OF US JUST QUIT BECAUSE OF THE HASSEL.

    I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can buy a gun through the mail from a FFL dealer in the same state and have it shipped to your doorstep after filling out a green form by mail.

    You never have to see the FFL dealer.

    This is how I did it (E-mail from FFL Gun Dealer).

    You need to complete a nonover-the-counter 4473 (green form). I will mail you the correct form. When you sign it, return it to us. We will forward it to your local sheriff by certified mail, return receipt. Seven days after we receive the return receipt, we can mail the firearm to you. No NICS or FDLE check is required. Your total cost is: $175 AMT Backup + $12.25 sales tax + $20 shipping = $207.25.

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
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  • SilverBoxSilverBox Member Posts: 2,347 ✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think it works like that in california.. For all firearms the local FFL's (which also have to be licensed by the state) don't send in BATF forms they send in California Dept of justice forms [DROS (Dealer Record of Sale)] and then the state sends in the Federal forms and for all firearms theres a 10 day waiting period also.. Its a big pain in the *.
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  • gars320gars320 Member Posts: 471 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NUNN:
    On the times I shipped guns through him all he did was take down my information in the usual way. Even when he had some of my guns on consignment he just took down my ccw particulars and gave me a receipt for them.
    It is of course a bunch of crap. Like I said before I don't use him any more. But I really know of no reason for anyone to insist that another gun come from an FFL, after all they aren't getting the extra fee. I certainly never had any hassles from BATF when I was an FFL, no one ever suggested that it had to come from an FFL at that time, just that the person receiving it had an FFL. WHO KNOWS WHY?

    Nil Illegitimus Carborundum
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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't want to accept a firearm from a nondealer I don't know that is a thousand or so miles away because I have no way to verify that the information he is providing me is correct. I know I can, I just don't. My store, my way.
    Just my dollars worth (I ain't cheap)

    The Almighty Himself Entrusted the Future of All Living Creatures to a Wooden Boat.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"Audemus jura nostra defendere"

    Edited by - Pelican on 09/17/2002 22:36:03
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Silverbox, no California dealer can sell you a handgun which is not on the DOJ approved list. Only private party sales and Curio & Relic pistols are exempt from this. Even though dealers in California process private party transefers, these are not classed as dealer sales and are listed differently on the paperwork. Ordering a non certified pistol from out of state accomplishes nothing as it would still have to go through your dealer as a dealer sale and all rules apply. For privete party sales BOTH BUYER AND SELLER must be present together with the dealer to do the record of sale transfer. I suppose you could get a person from, say Arizona, to drive into California with the Automag, both of you meet at your dealer and complete the paperwork. Arizona heads for home and in 10 days you go back and pick up your pistol. I've yet to process a transfer like this, but I think it would pass muster with the DOJ. Otherwise you are out of luck.

    Mark T. Christian
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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sax, CGA68 requires that a dealer properly identify any seller that he purchases from. I can't do that if he ain't there. If I receive and pass along a firearm used in the commission of a crime the Fed's are going to want to know with absolute certainty who I got it from.

    Problems can arise between dealers but at least I can get on line and verify that the FFL is authentic.

    My reasoning my be faulty but it's my reasoning and it make me feel better about a transaction. As an ATF agent told me a long time ago, as a licensee it is my responsibility to insure that all aspects of a transfer are in compliance. To me, my reasoning comes under the catagory of covering my *. I see no need to jeapordize over 30 years as a licensee to make ten or twenty bucks handling a transfer for someone that is most likely not a regular customer and will probably not become one once they have what they want. My regular customers that I handle transfers for understand my policy and don't seem to have a problem with it.

    I cerainly have no problem with any licensee that wants to conduct their business in a different manner.



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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hate to get in the middle of this, but.......
    Why does Gun Broker REQUIRE a copy of an FFL to be sent to a non - licensee that is shipping a long gun to an FFL? Not required by ATF. Why required by GB?

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