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Hot Water Heater Question

mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
As many of you saw on my earlier post, I was without water for most of the day.

Well the way this mobil is set up the hot water heater drained out.

Now I can't get hot water. All my breakers are fine, and I found 1 reset button on the hot water heater it's self and pushed it. still no hot water.

Is there only 1 reset on the heater? Seems to me on a 220v there would be 2, but I only see 1.

Any Idea's from the peanut gallery?[:D]
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    OK, experts!

    My old HWH needs replacing. I need to get a new one. Prefer 60 gallons or more and top efficiency ratings.

    Anyone have any experiences or recommendations?

    Also, if anyone out there knows any tricks to unscrewing the lower heating element on my Sears (it is frozen solid!) I would love to hear them.

    Thanks in advance.
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  • screwobamascrewobama Member Posts: 625 ✭
    edited November -1
    Soak the threads with WD-40 or similar & let sit for several hours then get a big wrench and try going clockwise a tiny bit -to loosen crud- then try to turn it out slowly counterclockwise.
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  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    AOSmith has some very efficient water heaters. The type I Use in the Laundromat business are overkill for home use, but the technology is the same in their home units. www.aosmith.com
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  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    or www.hoWar on Terrorer.com
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  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    umm that should have been hoWar on Terrorer.com
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  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ok GB is modifying what I am typing. Hot Water dot Com
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sand Hog by State I belive used to be good unit, inlet water was swirled around bottom to remove and displace sediment build up.

    Curious if the old one is shot why do you want to remove the element?
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,446 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have one of those big a888 sockets that removes elements. WD the heck out of it and twist away. Make sure you fill it back up with water when it is outside and spray it with your HK.[:D][:D] You will get the last word.

    http://www.gunk.com/CAT_187.asp
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  • War Pig ActualWar Pig Actual Member Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hot water is overrated and has been making our society soft for a 100 years.
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  • SuwanneePirateSuwanneePirate Member Posts: 65 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Use PB Blaster to loosen any stuck screw or bolt , it is an acid base and works better than nearly any other product .It can be got at any auto parts store . After spraying it wait a few and the hit the head of the screw / bolt with a hammer preferablly while applying torque to said fastner in a leftward direction with the proper tool to fit the head of the fastner. The impact usually jars the fastner loose .Be sure and flush out the bottom of the tank out as they tend to fill up with sand from some wells and affect the effency of the heating element and the minerals contacting the element from the built up debri can cause corrosion on it and cause a premature failure of the heating element. Good Luck.
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  • jamesjojamesjo Member Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kroil oil, or PB blaster are much better products for loosening stuck / rusted parts than WD -40 IMO
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  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
    Hot water is overrated and has been making our society soft for a 100 years.


    Decisions, decisions.
    Soft using hot water or Shrinkage using cold.

    As far as the hot water tank issue. I would go tankless. Why pay an electric bill to keep water hot 24/7 when I do not use hot water 24/7?
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  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why do you need to heat hot water?????


    Merc
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  • texshootertexshooter Member Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.marathonheaters.com/
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So your hot water heater is electric?

    What are your electrical rates?
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    TANKLESS!!! You'll NEVER run out of hot water again!
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  • Old-ColtsOld-Colts Member Posts: 22,697 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mercury
    Why do you need to heat hot water?????Beat me to it! [:D]

    If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!

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  • slipgateslipgate Member Posts: 12,741
    edited November -1
    I'd have the cheesecake and cabernet. But if that is not an option, go with the Porsche or maybe the trip to Bermuda. Whatever happens though, make sure you look both ways before crossing the train tracks.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,446 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    TANKLESS!!! You'll NEVER run out of hot water again!


    I've thought about it.. but read somewhere that well water was too cold to heat up in one. They aren't that expensive. Just checked my breaker .. it is 30 amp. so new wire would have to be ran for this 40 amp unit.

    http://www.tanklesshq.com/servlet/the-15/Santon-HP924/Detail
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  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tankless has its advantages in "some" applications. Super energy efficient tank heaters are just as efficient as tankless and initial cost is less if you include install, venting etc..
    If your going tankless, Takagi is the best.
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  • duckhunterduckhunter Member Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gat a tankless. Save some money.
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  • SpartacusSpartacus Member Posts: 14,415
    edited November -1
    OK, forgive a dumb question[:I], but if youre replacing the HWH why do you car about the old heating element? do new hwh's not have a heating element included?[?]
    any that I've replaced were self contained.
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tplumeri
    OK, forgive a dumb question[:I], but if youre replacing the HWH why do you car about the old heating element? do new hwh's not have a heating element included?[?]
    any that I've replaced were self contained.


    Thanks everyone!

    OK.

    The element is shot. Me and a couple of other idiots have been trying for two days to remove the old element and replace it with the new one. We have Kroiled it, WD-40'ed it, taken the long bar to it, even got the impact driver out, and you guessed it, it won't budge.

    So to hell with it. I am out unless someone has a brainstorm. At this point I am about to just replace the whole damned heater...
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  • SpartacusSpartacus Member Posts: 14,415
    edited November -1
    thanks, now I understand.[:I]
    I've never had an electric unit.
    the propane units tank is shot before the burner.
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  • Bubba Jr.Bubba Jr. Member Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    TANKLESS!!! You'll NEVER run out of hot water again!


    I've thought about it.. but read somewhere that well water was too cold to heat up in one. They aren't that expensive. Just checked my breaker .. it is 30 amp. so new wire would have to be ran for this 40 amp unit.

    http://www.tanklesshq.com/servlet/the-15/Santon-HP924/Detail


    I don't know about everyone else's well, but mine is down about 50-60 feet, and the water is a pretty constant temperature (55 +/- 2 degrees). When we lived in town it would vary at least 20 degrees (45-65 degrees from summer to winter. We don't have any problem at all heating our water.
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  • RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    An electric tankless won't put out much hot water (gals per min) especially if input water temperature is cold. Consider propane, If so, tankless is the way to go.
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    Tankless.

    Hard water.

    Not a good fit.

    Water softener.

    More expense.

    No thanks.
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  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    I emailed you. Case closed.
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bigdaddyjunior
    I emailed you. Case closed.


    Thanks Kurt!
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  • Aspen79seAspen79se Member Posts: 4,707
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
    quote:Originally posted by tplumeri
    OK, forgive a dumb question[:I], but if youre replacing the HWH why do you car about the old heating element? do new hwh's not have a heating element included?[?]
    any that I've replaced were self contained.


    Thanks everyone!

    OK.

    The element is shot. Me and a couple of other idiots have been trying for two days to remove the old element and replace it with the new one. We have Kroiled it, WD-40'ed it, taken the long bar to it, even got the impact driver out, and you guessed it, it won't budge.

    So to hell with it. I am out unless someone has a brainstorm. At this point I am about to just replace the whole damned heater...




    I did see a judicial use of profanity. Try that, and report back.

    An impact didn't move it? Wow, that is stuck. Penetrating oil?
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,446 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you sure it is a replaceable element. Some are not. They do not come out.
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  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess you have enough answers at this point but WTH,.....forget tankless if it is electric, and certainly if you have hard water.

    Natural gas is a whole different ballgame, and they actually pay off most times.

    Sounds like you have tried about everything to get the element out also.

    Bradford-White makes nice quality water heaters.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the tank wasn't destroyed in the process, you didn't use a big enough impact.

    Work your way up to a 1" impact. I don't know anything that will with stand a little pounding from those.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    I don't know anything that will with stand a little pounding from those.


    Sounds like a old girl friend of mine......[:D]
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  • speedbuggy16vspeedbuggy16v Member Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    only a one inch................
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  • boogerbooger Member Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HAH, I must have had the same Sears water heater. The element failed so I figured I'd just replace it, no big deal. I tried everything, bought the special element socket, monkey wrench, cheater bar etc. but nothing worked. My bonehead * finally realized it was still under warranty so before I really buggered it up, I called 'em on the warranty.

    The tech came out with all his special tools etc. and he couldn't budge it either, so it was a freebie new water heater for me. (If he would have just popped it off I would have really felt like a puzzy.)

    I finally got the element out with a Ruger .44 magnum & Hornady 300 grain bullet. I still shoot that water heater to this day.[:(!][:(!]
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  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Get a torch and heat it up a little around the outside of where the threads are and it will come out. I have done this before.
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by speedbuggy16v
    only a one inch................



    Well my collection only goes from 1/4" to 1" impacts. And air pressure that only goes to 175 psi. So far I have never had a failure to budge with that collection.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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