Baseball rules question

jimdeere

At a little league game today, the team at bat had a man on third with one out. Batter hit a fly ball to right and the fielder caught it. Runner left from third and crossed home plate. Umpire came out onto the infield and called the runner out because he left too soon. End of inning.
I didn't think the umpire could make that call unless the opposing team "appealed" by getting the ball to the pitcher, pitcher steps on rubber, and throws to the third baseman who steps on the bag. What's the rule?
Grandson's team won 8-2 anyway, so it didn't matter much, glad it wasn't close.

hillbille

they didn't in my sons little league a few years back, but was the umpire a real umpire or some ones dad that volunteered?

Cubslover

He should not be out unless the other team touched 3rd base with the ball in hand.

Also, the pitcher wouldn't have to touch the rubber before making the second out.

The Ump will not say anything, it's up to the team to try for the second out. If they don't try for it, and time is called, play is dead.

guntech59

quote:Originally posted by cubslover
He should not be out unless the other team touched 3rd base with the ball in hand.

Also, the pitcher wouldn't have to touch the rubber before making the second out.

The Ump will not say anything, it's up to the team to try for the second out. If they don't try for it, and time is called, play is dead.




What cubs said. Nothing is written in the scorebook until after play resumes. If they don't MAKE him out, he is not.

PanzerSlayer2

Each Little League probably has slightly different rule. In our league the runner cannot illegally advance to the next base. So in our league if he left early, once he touched home (or second or third) he is automatically out.

I also believe home plate is different. The runner cannot come back from the dugout and reverse home plate to third if he left too early or missed a third

txlawdog

He ain't no pitcher, he's a belly itcher.

Thats pretty much the only thing I remember from little league.

bobski

the way i remember it is...you cant be on two bases at the same time. if youre suppose to be on 3rd, and touch home, youre out. unless you have long legs and can touch both at the same time.[:p]

MFI

Im 16 Year high school coach so maybe I can help. In ASA softball rules it is an automatic call by the umpire , there is no appeal that needs to made . In high school baseball you must step on rubber then throw over to base to make a formal appeal that the runner left early. It is possible that your little league probably has the automatic call rule in place which I know that some do. Also agree that once next play has been made the appeal process is over .

texaswildman

quote:Originally posted by cubslover
He should not be out unless the other team touched 3rd base with the ball in hand.

Also, the pitcher wouldn't have to touch the rubber before making the second out.

The Ump will not say anything, it's up to the team to try for the second out. If they don't try for it, and time is called, play is dead.




Mostly right, but time can be called and then an appeal made after the ball is put back in play by the umpire (as long as it hasn't been pitched or another play made). All appeals must be asked for verbally - unless the appeal is unmistakable to an umpire. You can't appeal after another play is made. I believe this is correct in Official LL hardball. However, some leagues have slightly different automatic rules (as MFI stated), sometimes depending on the number of umpires on the field or other factors.

jimdeere

Best I can figure what happened, the runner left third and slid in to home. The other coach said something to the home plate umpire, and the umpire ran out onto the field and called the runner out because he left too soon. This was the third out, so everyone ran off the field.
I think the umpire should have ignored the coach and proceeded with play until the opposing team called time and threw the ball to third base, at which time the umpire would call the runner either out or safe.

texaswildman

No play can occur during "time". The ball must be put back into play by the umpire (if it was dead or time called), before an appeal may be made. Had the outfielder simply thrown the ball to third, and the 3rd baseman stepped on the base, the runner would be out (if play had not been stopped).

Most LL umpires try their best, but just like the pros, they make mistakes. I have seen some kids do the strangest things on the field and sometimes the umpire just lets things go.

select-fire

Did they do instant replay in the booth? [:o)][:o)]