Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

hughbetcha

Today my some came home with a flyer from school with headline "Are there guns where your children play?" The flyer notes that 40% of home with children have guns and that every year thousands of children are killed or seriously injured with guns left unlocked and or loaded by parents. The flyer suggests that it is every parents' responsibility to ask if there are guns in the house before allowing their child to play at another child's house. The flyer includes statistics about gun violence, advice on how the make the questioning easier "Include the question along with other things you might normally discuss before sending you child to another house such as seat belt, animals or allergies" parents are urged to "use the facts" to justify their question.

All weapons in my home are safely stored, so nobody has to worry about their children getting acess to guns in my house. My question to the folks on this forum is.. Is it right to ask such questions? What would you say to a parent? Does anybody have a right to know that I have a gun? If I have safely stored my weapon should I just say no, there are no guns in my house to avoid revealing something I would not otherwise want to divulge. Personally I would not ask someone else this question, but would keep my son out of an environment that I thought was unsafe ie if he told me that his friend had guns laying around his house unattended.

This flyer was sponsored by The American Academy of Pediatrics and PAX/Real Solutions to Gun Violence www.pax.com

James Ayers

[8D]Yes , it is not only "right" but required-Also do you have a Pit Bull dog?[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]

On your mark-get set- go away!!

96harley

Got a pool, power tools, motorcycle, or barn with loft. Kids are in unsafe places all the time but guns are the real culprits and their owners or so the far left would have us believe.

I think if I were the school I would send home papers asking about whether little Joey has a male daddy and a female mommy before I let him go over to play. You know a kid who goes to a friend's house and finds parents of the same gender can be traumatized.

Oh man, I've done it now. I'm just not being very diverse sensitive nor tolerant tonight.

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dongizmo

My children would know to get the He!! out if the was a unsafe situation with a firearm, I believe a majority of these
accidents happen when children are not taught proper (and basic) gun safety.
Don

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beantownshootah

Its a myth.

Approximately 200 children aged 14 or less die each year as a result of firearms related accidents.

While every death is a tragedy, in comparison, more children die in bus accidents, and ten times as many die in car accidents. That figure also probably includes a number of suicides, which while "gun related" probably aren't truly "accidents".

Here a bit more on the most blatant statistical manipulation by anti-gun propagandists:

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm





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concealedG36

96Harley is right on track here.

Guns are a tool and can be deadly, so are hammers. But, if you've really got to ask the people with whom you're leaving your kids whether they own guns, I ask; how well do you know your kids?

G36



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beantownshootah

Its a myth.

Approximately 200 children aged 14 or less die each year as a result of firearms related accidents.

While every death is a tragedy, in comparison, more children die in bus accidents, and ten times as many die in car accidents. That figure also probably includes a number of suicides, which while "gun related" probably aren't truly "accidents".

Here a bit more on the most blatant statistical manipulation by anti-gun propagandists:

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm





Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
-Albert Einstein

TheBrassMan

More children die on playground equipment. More are killed on bikes.
What the schools give out is from HGCI.
Yes more children die in swimming pools.

I know every death is a tragedy. but we do have to stop the madness caused by the far left.


Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state: "Seperation of Church and State".

"Those who beat their guns into plow shares; will plow for those who don't."



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n/a

How many babies are smothered every year, when their fat * mother has them in bed with her and she rolls over on it ?????????

kimberkid

If your child is taught firearms saftey at an early age, its less of a concern ... so even if he/she goes over to a freinds house, you'll know at least one of them know the rules ... IMHO

When we were looking for daycare for Abby, the provider we choose told us up front she keeps firearms in her home and safely stored ... the one before that had a glass faced gun cabnet in their living room with several shotguns and rifles ... as you may well imagine, it was ok with us [^]

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If you really want to do something, you'll find a way ...
... If you don't, you'll find any excuse.

Vortech347

If they are so worried about firearm related accidents in the home then why don't they teach basic gun safety at school? They could have a police officer certified as an instructor come to school and explain the dangers a firearm can pose and teach the kids to respect firearms and how to react if they encounter a dangerous situation.

I don't have a problem with a parent asking another parent if their house is safe for their kids to play in. But, I think it is the parents' responsibility to teach their kids right from wrong and how to respect any potentially dangerous object. You don't let your kid run around swinging a baseball bat in the house so why would you let your kid run around with a loaded gun pointing it a anything and everything.

I agree that this letter seems to be more focused on scaring parents and children than logically dealing with an issue regarding childrens' safety.

96harley

Guys you might think this strange coming from a cop but perosnally I don't want anyone connected to any government entity knowing how many and what kind of guns I have. It's just another way for the camel to get his nose under your tent.

I have to give my agency the serial number of any gun I own that I carry off duty and I have to qualifiy with it and I'm the agencies firearms instructor. They thus far have two serial numbers. I skirt this rule by having a personal protection permit. That way when I carry, I am doing so under the permit and not the badge. Please forgive me if I sound paranoid.

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Vortech347

Doesn't sound paranoid to me at all.

hughbetcha

I believe that I have legal and a moral obligation to make sure that firearms are safely secured in my home. I do not believe I have moral or legal obligation to disclose the fact that I have firearms to a neighbor or one of my son's classmates. I prefer that other parents evaluate my responsibility and my homes suitability for their childs safety on other measures, such as speaking with me face to face, perhaps visiting my home on a neighborly basis etc.

The secret agenda behind this program to ask about guns is to put pressure on parents through their children and "out" them in the community. Many liberals dont care if the guns are stored safely, the very fact that someone has guns in their home makes them unsuitable for their children to be around. Liberals will use this information to band together and ostracize the children of gunowners.

beantownshootah

quote:Originally posted by 96harley
Guys you might think this strange coming from a cop but perosnally I don't want anyone connected to any government entity knowing how many and what kind of guns I have. It's just another way for the camel to get his nose under your tent.

I have to give my agency the serial number of any gun I own that I carry off duty and I have to qualifiy with it and I'm the agencies firearms instructor. They thus far have two serial numbers. I skirt this rule by having a personal protection permit. That way when I carry, I am doing so under the permit and not the badge. Please forgive me if I sound paranoid.


I agree with that, though unfortunately, where I live the camel is under the tent up to its first hump already!

I don't think you are paranoid at all, but just out of curiousity, if you are qualified with it, why don't you carry your backup gun as a CCW? What are you concerned about?

If you ever had to shoot someone with it, wouldn't that reduce your liability as it is a weapon that you have documented proficiency with and has passed the muster of your police dept?

What I'm saying is, all else being equal, aren't you better off being involved in a shooting with the "cleaner" gun?

mark christian

There is no option here in CA since the firearms owner is generally liable if a child finds misuses a firearm. Where I live in South Orange County we have a very high proportion of homes with swimming pools and every year there are 5 or 6 child drownings which account for far more accidental child deaths than from firearms in this county. We once had a woman from the Brady Campaign (or whatever they were calling themselves at that time) show up on the local cable access channel here and she tried her best to convince people about the slaughter of innocent children by firearms but was left speechless when a caller pointed out that in the previous year our county had 13 child deaths from accidental drownings in swimming pools but not a single child accidental death from gun fire.

"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian

96harley

Beantown..I have qualified with two guns from my personal vault to carry off-duy. My duty weapon, a Sig Sauer 229 is what I carry on and off duty. There are occassions when I prefer my .380 or 9mm by two other manufactures. They are easier to conceal than the Sig.

Both those guns are legit and both are on record with my agency. The problem I have is that each time I take one of my personal guns out to carry; say on a security job or job related assignment, I have to record the serial number from those guns with the department and they are kept on record with my scores. When I go out to dinner or on a walk, that is not job related I can pick up a .45 Colt or whatever from my safe and carry it legally because of my permit. In a situation where I might have use one of these weapons not registered as me having been qualified with through the department, I would say I was carrying under my permit. It's hard to explain but it's all above board. I could easily qualify the .45 and.380. I just don't want a list of serial numbers on record with the department.

I also have a ccw in case I should get reprimanded or suspended and my duty weapon would have to be turned over to the chief. I still want the ability to carry unlike some LEO's who put total faith in the system they serve and feel as though that badge and gun are theirs no matter what, I have heard of officers who didn't have permits and when their gun and badge were ordered turned over, they were defenseless.

....be ye therefore WISE as serpents, and harmless as doves.



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select-fire

96, I agree with your statements. My Step dad is in a hospital right now in Indiana and will not get to go back to his home. Since it is sitting vacant the State of Indiana went in and convinscated ALL of his firearms. He had Colts, Brownings, Walthers and other fine firearms. They are gone forever..

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