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Call it like it is...

select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,518 ✭✭✭✭
edited July 2015 in General Discussion
Trump hasn't been in Politics and doesn't have any dirty laundry in it. Must piss the other politicians off to a tee that a non political person can run and be near or the top of the polls. And a big thanks to NBC for running the Apprentice for a very long time and letting America watch Trump make decisions on whom to keep and whom to fire. Some of those folks in Washington could be getting nervous if he ever gets elected.

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  • Bubba JoelBubba Joel Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November -1
    Can't wait to see him in the Republican debate on the 16th of Sept. I believe.

    He's saying all the right things, if he can keep his foot out of his mouth.
  • MG1890MG1890 Member Posts: 4,460 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Trump is a very successful businessman.

    With the frickin' deficit higher than the moon, I think we need a businessman.

    Entitlers ain't gonna like him; businessmen don't give away money. So, being a white businessman, he automatically loses the entire non white voter segment and all the Dems.
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    For Trump it was all over before he announced. His support is too limited, his foot in mouth troubles too damaging to the votes he must attract. His personality is perfect for a flashy celebrity buzz and rapid peak, but there is no distance to it.

    Not in terms of the Electoral Vote Count come the only vote count that is meaningful.

    On the other side, Bernie Sanders is making a similar mistake.
  • Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    You and Howard Cosell- making a simile out of nothing.
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    For Trump it was all over before he announced. His support is too limited, his foot in mouth troubles too damaging to the votes he must attract. His personality is perfect for a flashy celebrity buzz and rapid peak, but there is no distance to it.

    Not in terms of the Electoral Vote Count come the only vote count that is meaningful.

    On the other side, Bernie Sanders is making a similar mistake.



    Yeah that's what you been saying all along. Now Trump is leading 26% to Jeb Bush's 3rd place 12% in the polls.
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,207 ******
    edited November -1
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    Trump hasn't been in Politics and doesn't have any dirty laundry in it.


    Sure he does- He is a corporate mogul and he has dirt on both sides of the fence along with Carly. There interest are being sold out to the highest foreign bidder with Obummers TPA, TPP, Fast track etc. Enough is enough with American jobs.
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They like Trump in Texas over the other candidates from what I can tell.
    What's next?
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    For Trump it was all over before he announced. His support is too limited, his foot in mouth troubles too damaging to the votes he must attract. His personality is perfect for a flashy celebrity buzz and rapid peak, but there is no distance to it.

    Not in terms of the Electoral Vote Count come the only vote count that is meaningful.

    On the other side, Bernie Sanders is making a similar mistake.



    Yeah that's what you been saying all along. Now Trump is leading 26% to Jeb Bush's 3rd place 12% in the polls.



    Watch all the polls. Not just leading to the party nominations but the "If the election were held today" polls. Clinton beats every Republican. In the case of Trump by as much as 17 points.

    Obviously it matters if a candidate can win a nomination or not. It matters far more if the candidate can win the general election.

    Right now the closest anyone comes to beating Clinton is Jeb Bush and he's 6 points back but closing the gap.

    What a sorry state of affairs that is.
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    For Trump it was all over before he announced. His support is too limited, his foot in mouth troubles too damaging to the votes he must attract. His personality is perfect for a flashy celebrity buzz and rapid peak, but there is no distance to it.

    Not in terms of the Electoral Vote Count come the only vote count that is meaningful.

    On the other side, Bernie Sanders is making a similar mistake.



    Yeah that's what you been saying all along. Now Trump is leading 26% to Jeb Bush's 3rd place 12% in the polls.



    Watch all the polls. Not just leading to the party nominations but the "If the election were held today" polls. Clinton beats every Republican. In the case of Trump by as much as 17 points.

    Obviously it matters if a candidate can win a nomination or not. It matters far more if the candidate can win the general election.

    Right now the closest anyone comes to beating Clinton is Jeb Bush and he's 6 points back but closing the gap.

    What a sorry state of affairs that is.




    All the Polls that I have seen are saying Trump is leading.

    What News groups do you watch?
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    He's already admitted he never took it seriously.
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just another NYC Republicrat. He is just giving lip service regarding his 2nd Amendment stance. He is EXACTLY like Chubs Christy and maybe a hair to the right of Bloomberg. GURANTEE he would sign "assault weapons" legislation if it came across his desk. Vote for him...uh not a chance in hell...won't matter though..his alligator mouth will ruin his chances way before the primary election.
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wiplash
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    For Trump it was all over before he announced. His support is too limited, his foot in mouth troubles too damaging to the votes he must attract. His personality is perfect for a flashy celebrity buzz and rapid peak, but there is no distance to it.

    Not in terms of the Electoral Vote Count come the only vote count that is meaningful.

    On the other side, Bernie Sanders is making a similar mistake.



    Yeah that's what you been saying all along. Now Trump is leading 26% to Jeb Bush's 3rd place 12% in the polls.



    Watch all the polls. Not just leading to the party nominations but the "If the election were held today" polls. Clinton beats every Republican. In the case of Trump by as much as 17 points.

    Obviously it matters if a candidate can win a nomination or not. It matters far more if the candidate can win the general election.

    Right now the closest anyone comes to beating Clinton is Jeb Bush and he's 6 points back but closing the gap.

    What a sorry state of affairs that is.




    All the Polls that I have seen are saying Trump is leading.

    What News groups do you watch?


    All I can find. Try it for yourself:
    http://tinyurl.com/nvnaslp

    Agreed that Trump is doing well towards the Republican nomination. While I suspect he will fade and not win it, it remains a long shot that shouldn't be ignored.

    I'm talking about Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The Presidential Election. Not the primaries or the conventions, the final big fat hairy deal when an embarrassingly small percentage of Americans will turn out to do their civic duty. The Democratic VS Republican final test. Who wins the big chair and who makes the concession speech?

    Right now, in terms of that big day the Trump effort is aiding Clinton.

    This kind of thing happens fairly often in our Presidential elections. A candidate that excites and satisfies a base is too weak in the wider electorate to win. Democrats have been there before with McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis. Republicans have had their own examples of this with Bush Sr., Dole and McCain.

    Failure to consider the end game is a plan to lose that game.

    Right now, that's where Trump is.
  • Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    If the candidates would quit trying to One-up the other candidates and merely state their positions and qualifications, the voters could decide in a civilized manner who they want to run as their candidate and if done in that manner, Hitlary could get space alongside Mondale and Dukakis on the "also-ran" bench.
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Come on CIT

    quote:Watch all the polls. Not just leading to the party nominations but the "If the election were held today" polls. Clinton beats every Republican. In the case of Trump by as much as 17 points.


    While I am not as astute as a political pundit as you are I can do math. The Dems have 3-4 viable candidates while the Repubs have at least 10.

    As we all know if every Registered Democrat voted we would never have a Republican in office.





    I am not a Trump fan but he saying what people are and have been thinking.......main stream people not the weirdo's, the 3% of the population that the press plays to and wants everyone to think is mainstream.

    Make no mistake this country is angry. We need someone who will put it back on track.
    RLTW

  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    I'll note by the comments above that the majority here are doing exactly what those in power wish. You do realize, don't you, that you're participating in the "divide and conquer" methodology of both political parties? The moment personal wealth is brought into a discussion, then assume someone of us has bought into class warfare.

    Trump, for better or worse, is going to say whatever he pleases. His financial backing is such that he can afford to displease the mainstream. He's smart and he's about as politically incorrect as anyone could possibly be.

    Don't misunderstand. This is not an endorsement for Mr. Trump. While I suppose it's possible that Trump might bubble to the top, I believe otherwise. The one thing I see as a positive is that Trump will hopefully force whomever is chosen by the Republicans to rise above the norm and actually offer us a conservative candidate with strong convictions and the ability to call Mrs. Clinton the dirt bag she really is... And make it stick!
  • Dondo7Dondo7 Member Posts: 98
    edited November -1
    I'm a big fan of Trump but something tells me he won't do well in a debate, he needs to drop the demagoguery and get serious about his answers. Admittedly, without the inflammatory statements and demagoguery, he might not be as appealing...we'll see.
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nord
    I'll note by the comments above that the majority here are doing exactly what those in power wish. You do realize, don't you, that you're participating in the "divide and conquer" methodology of both political parties? The moment personal wealth is brought into a discussion, then assume someone of us has bought into class warfare.

    Trump, for better or worse, is going to say whatever he pleases. His financial backing is such that he can afford to displease the mainstream. He's smart and he's about as politically incorrect as anyone could possibly be.

    Don't misunderstand. This is not an endorsement for Mr. Trump. While I suppose it's possible that Trump might bubble to the top, I believe otherwise. The one thing I see as a positive is that Trump will hopefully force whomever is chosen by the Republicans to rise above the norm and actually offer us a conservative candidate with strong convictions and the ability to call Mrs. Clinton the dirt bag she really is... And make it stick!


    Without question, and should there ever be a decent politician that runs for president on the GOP ticket, they will be so readily identifiable as being supremely suited for the position, that the voters they have run off for the past few elections will once again join the party. Just my two cents.
    What's next?
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,518 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He isn't going to candy coat the economy or the shape the country is in. That is exactly what folks want to hear.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a democrap
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TooBig
    Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a democrap


    or a republican?
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    " It's time for the Democraps use their brain and the Republicans to grow a Pair."

    Here's the problem... Dems are mostly brain dead. By this I don't mean stupid. It's more a matter of being indoctrinated rather than educated.

    The Republicans misunderstand the meaning of having a pair. They seem to believe that by being male they qualify and that by being a female and wishing so the shes in the crowd can claim such. Not so of course!

    What nobody seems to understand that "growing a pair" has a much deeper meaning. Sadly most are castrated in both the literal and figurative sense.
  • cranky2cranky2 Member Posts: 3,236 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    trump my be a good business man but he is liberal on most social issues and will not stand for gun owners at all.
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    Bankruptcy saved his empire. More than once.

    I don't think that's much of a qualification for Commander-In-Chief
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,518 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
    Bankruptcy saved his empire. More than once.

    I don't think that's much of a qualification for Commander-In-Chief


    Not so, Smart business folk know how to manipulate law that the congress and senate passed. Loopholes. This country runs as a business not some political playground for those folks in Washington. Watch Trump come forward and tell America he will do the job for Nothing. Or he will donate his salary to needy causes. Try that with those morons there now. They vote themselves a pay raise.
  • Ford 23Ford 23 Member Posts: 3,129
    edited November -1
    Lindsey Graham called him a *, it bit him Trump came right back with an additional bonus gave out his private cell number.

    Most on GB are by now aware of this happening--The point Trump didn't take it, most of the Republicans as 'nord' noted don't have a pair. They would have simply shrugged off Grahams mouth and trudged on, not Trump. The general worried about where we are headed public loves it
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
    Bankruptcy saved his empire. More than once.

    I don't think that's much of a qualification for Commander-In-Chief


    Like I have posted before. I may not vote for the man, but if you look into the circumstances and the outcomes of the bankruptcies they do not support a statement like you wrote.

    I posted an article about this in another thread. But there are several sources of information available.
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    Trump has made financial contributions to both Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation; Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid.

    Trump was in favor of the President's stimulus package. Also supported the Clinton 1994 semi-automatic weapon ban; supported "universal healthcare."

    Trump tells a good tale. He'll "bring jobs back to America". Sounds good, but no specifics given. "Seal the border." Again, no specifics.

    I think he's a shill, thrown out there by the RNC by design, to make Jeb Bush look like a "moderate." Same as Bernie Sanders. I absolutely believe he gets air time to make Hillary Clinton look "centrist."

    It's all a big circus. No conservative will ever be allowed to reach the general election. The two Royal Families will be the 2016 ticket: Bush and Clinton.

    We ARE doomed.
  • beneteaubeneteau Member Posts: 8,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MG1890
    Trump is a very successful businessman.

    With the frickin' deficit higher than the moon, I think we need a businessman.

    Entitlers ain't gonna like him; businessmen don't give away money. So, being a white businessman, he automatically loses the entire non white voter segment and all the Dems.


    I've been saying we need a businessman as President since H. Ross Perot ran in 1992 and 1996.

    Face it, the US government is the "largest" business in the world.
    and it needs a businessman with business smarts to run it.

    History shows how lawyers and politicians cannot run a business.

    92 percent of President Barack Obama's administration has "never worked ...."
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
    Bankruptcy saved his empire. More than once.

    I don't think that's much of a qualification for Commander-In-Chief


    Like I have posted before. I may not vote for the man, but if you look into the circumstances and the outcomes of the bankruptcies they do not support a statement like you wrote.

    I posted an article about this in another thread. But there are several sources of information available.


    Bankruptcies are legal codification of promises made and not kept.

    His first one, he had to sell personal assets because he did not protect them.

    His last three, he had learned to protect personal assets, and only had to sell or give up control of business assets.

    Either way, he did not follow through on the commitments he was contracted, and his creditors were forced by the legal pressure of the bankruptcy court to accept something other than that which was contracted. Not what I would like in a President.

    One bankruptcy, or maybe two shows aggressive risk taking. Four shows lack of discipline and excessive risk taking. Again, not what I would like to see in a President.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,518 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by beneteau
    quote:Originally posted by MG1890
    Trump is a very successful businessman.

    With the frickin' deficit higher than the moon, I think we need a businessman.

    Entitlers ain't gonna like him; businessmen don't give away money. So, being a white businessman, he automatically loses the entire non white voter segment and all the Dems.


    I've been saying we need a businessman as President since H. Ross Perot ran in 1992 and 1996.

    Face it, the US government is the "largest" business in the world.
    and it needs a businessman with business smarts to run it.

    History shows how lawyers and politicians cannot run a business.

    92 percent of President Barack Obama's administration has "never worked ...."







    Ross Perot warned them... That giant sucking sound of Jobs and Industry leaving. They should have listened. Maybe this time.
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