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AASCAR
Captplaid
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NASCAR just isn't that fun to watch anymore. The car bodies are all the same. They look stupid with no rear deck. At least they got rid of the front spoiler.
Richmond used to be enjoyable when cars ran different differentials and transmissions. One guy ran high and another car was setup to run low.
Standardized differentials, transmissions, shocks, tires, bodies. I try to enjoy it, but it's not fun anymore.
It's boring. FOX tries to hype it up, but it's not the same.
Why not just have all the cars built in one big AASCAR shop.
Richmond used to be enjoyable when cars ran different differentials and transmissions. One guy ran high and another car was setup to run low.
Standardized differentials, transmissions, shocks, tires, bodies. I try to enjoy it, but it's not fun anymore.
It's boring. FOX tries to hype it up, but it's not the same.
Why not just have all the cars built in one big AASCAR shop.
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Look... they're makin a left turn....they're makin another left turn.
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I use to watch NASCAR religiously , but gave a years ago, its now about sponsors and big money which from my understanding is fading quick . Just look at the stands at the empty seats . too many rules only a handful of teams with multiple cars in the chase . they might as well just have the teams show up at the track pay a fee draw numbers to a group of hertz rental cars and have at it about as exciting
Very good analogy....60's-70's was best racing...Its more like a drama contest than auto racing..
It hurts my heart - I started following racing in the 60's, saw lots of fender-banging fun for many years. Watched all the greats come and go. Watched Bobby Allison tear the entire front-stretch fence down at Atlanta. Was in the stands while Richard Petty and Cale Yarborough banged fenders crossing the finish line at Daytona for Petty's 200th win. Was sitting in just about the same place when Dale Earnhardt died. Racing died soon after.
Bummer.
Instead of tracks that look like these:
Show me some racing that's drivers on challenging courses, in cars with different approaches to what will work best and I'll get interested again. I used to be interested. In my teens I helped my eldest brother race stock cars. Strictly circle track, dirt track small time stuff. Loads of fun though, even just as a pit crew helper.
NASCAR looks like millions of dollars on duplicate cars running in an oval. The sense of "I just saw this already!" is running on constant repeat in my head every moment I try to watch it.
Hell with that stuff.
At least some lady race car drivers out there break up the monotony by posing in bikinis. That sort of thing is about all that's left of the sport that's interesting.
From a purely caveman, oogling boobies sort of viewpoint you understand ... [:p][}:)]
Jon
After the race, they open the gates to the infield, so you can go have a beer with the drivers, they'll let your grandkids sit in the seat, and you can help them push their car into the transporter.
And they actually have a swing set for the kids, decent food at the concession stand, and admission is $5 for seniors and military.
What a deal.
So here's the deal, way too much racing is all about this sort of track:
Instead of tracks that look like these:
Show me some racing that's drivers on challenging courses, in cars with different approaches to what will work best and I'll get interested again. I used to be interested. In my teens I helped my eldest brother race stock cars. Strictly circle track, dirt track small time stuff. Loads of fun though, even just as a pit crew helper.
NASCAR looks like millions of dollars on duplicate cars running in an oval. The sense of "I just saw this already!" is running on constant repeat in my head every moment I try to watch it.
Hell with that stuff.
At least some lady race car drivers out there break up the monotony by posing in bikinis. That sort of thing is about all that's left of the sport that's interesting.
From a purely caveman, oogling boobies sort of viewpoint you understand ... [:p][}:)]
I'm with you, Chris. I wish Formula 1 and MotoGP were more readily available in the US.
You want to watch some intense racing? MotoGP is where it's at! 1000cc sport bikes with professional riders on a closed course...they're taking some corners at 100+ mph while hanging off the side of the bike and dragging an elbow, with their faces mere inches from the ground, and racing (sometimes) less than a foot away from other drivers doing the same thing.
42 full-bodied 4000 lb stock cars going into a 30 degree banked turn at 200+ mph six inches apart, tires smoking, sparks flying from sheet metal, big V8's screaming was pretty exciting. Racing full-tilt into the pits, burning rubber back out. Racing to the caution flags. No unnecessarily convoluted points system that nobody can understand. The fastest car with the ballsiest driver winning - no multiple lead-car-block-car teams.
Back when racing was racing.
I tried getting into European-style racing for awhile; hard to keep up with it, though. At those big, technical tracks you can only see a bit of the action at a time. Very little head-to-head combat. You walk around to different sectors, then stand and watch as one of the little cars comes zzziiinnnggg-ing by every few seconds. Same 2 or 3 teams win each time in a given season.
42 full-bodied 4000 lb stock cars going into a 30 degree banked turn at 200+ mph six inches apart, tires smoking, sparks flying from sheet metal, big V8's screaming was pretty exciting. Racing full-tilt into the pits, burning rubber back out. Racing to the caution flags. No unnecessarily convoluted points system that nobody can understand. The fastest car with the ballsiest driver winning - no multiple lead-car-block-car teams.
Back when racing was racing.
not to mention, how can you be a fan of some "guy" who drinks milk when he wins a race where the cars can't touch each other. Open wheel drivers are never any good in nascar, but nascar drivers have finished much higher in open wheel than the opposite. There is something about having to control a 3500lb out of control brick, versus a car that was designed by scientists that even a GIRL could drive. I have watched them run in person, and they are un-impressive. A car that is designed to stick itself to the track is a whole different science than a car that is trying to PUSH itself into the wall the entire time you are driving it.
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
I tried getting into European-style racing for awhile; hard to keep up with it, though. At those big, technical tracks you can only see a bit of the action at a time. Very little head-to-head combat. You walk around to different sectors, then stand and watch as one of the little cars comes zzziiinnnggg-ing by every few seconds. Same 2 or 3 teams win each time in a given season.
42 full-bodied 4000 lb stock cars going into a 30 degree banked turn at 200+ mph six inches apart, tires smoking, sparks flying from sheet metal, big V8's screaming was pretty exciting. Racing full-tilt into the pits, burning rubber back out. Racing to the caution flags. No unnecessarily convoluted points system that nobody can understand. The fastest car with the ballsiest driver winning - no multiple lead-car-block-car teams.
Back when racing was racing.
not to mention, how can you be a fan of some "guy" who drinks milk when he wins a race where the cars can't touch each other. Open wheel drivers are never any good in nascar, but nascar drivers have finished much higher in open wheel than the opposite. There is something about having to control a 3500lb out of control brick, versus a car that was designed by scientists that even a GIRL could drive. I have watched them run in person, and they are un-impressive. A car that is designed to stick itself to the track is a whole different science than a car that is trying to PUSH itself into the wall the entire time you are driving it.
Yes, but those open-cockpit cars have their own quirks, as well. Like, in order to keep heat in the tires, and maintain enough grip to actually make it through the corner without spinning out, you have to maintain extremely high speeds, and the human brain has trouble coping with the knowledge that you have to go through that corner at more than 90 mph, or else you die.
F1 drivers are also subject to extremely high lateral g-forces due to the high cornering speed, so much so that they need to be extremely physically fit. And due to the small cockpit of an F1 car, the drivers are generally not very large in stature.
The way F1 cars are designed, without enough air flowing over the car, they weigh less than 1000 lbs, and are uncontrollable (too light). They need that air flow to generate the downforce necessary to give the tires traction.
Also, the engines on F1 cars have such tight mechanical tolerances that when they're cold, they're practically seized up. They have to be warmed up "intravenously" by external pumps and heaters before they can be started.
F1 is the pinnacle of automotive technology, and it filters down from there through companies like Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus, Mercedes, and Honda (companies that build part or all of an F1 car) into production vehicles as the technology to implement it in large scale becomes less expensive.
Virginians, you live in some beautiful country, and everyone we met was very congenial.
Need some cheese with your whine?
Just turn your TV to the obama channel if you want a legitimatly complain about something no one likes.
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Which is still boring until about the last 10 laps.
They cant even make the last ten laps interesting now days. All they do now is see how many times they can restart a race under a "Green/White/Checkered flag".
These three things are what makes it to boring for me to watch.
The Waltrip hype is annoying.
Darrell is a great guy. [^]
Group C, need I say more?
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
Which is still boring until about the last 10 laps.
They cant even make the last ten laps interesting now days. All they do now is see how many times they can restart a race under a "Green/White/Checkered flag".
These three things are what makes it to boring for me to watch.
The multi-car teams NEVER allow the race to run the last few laps without a caution. They want the field to bunch up so that they can block any other possible contenders from outrunning their lead car of the week.
Did you notice a Toyoto didn't win their Toyoto 400 race?
What day will the GM Anything be held on?
sounds like his lug nuts are caoght in the ttunk lid
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Did you notice a Toyoto didn't win their Toyoto 400 race?
What day will the GM Anything be held on?
Easy Answer.. Every Year at Daytona 500. They race to see their name on the Harley Earl Trophy.
quote:Originally posted by JustC
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
I tried getting into European-style racing for awhile; hard to keep up with it, though. At those big, technical tracks you can only see a bit of the action at a time. Very little head-to-head combat. You walk around to different sectors, then stand and watch as one of the little cars comes zzziiinnnggg-ing by every few seconds. Same 2 or 3 teams win each time in a given season.
42 full-bodied 4000 lb stock cars going into a 30 degree banked turn at 200+ mph six inches apart, tires smoking, sparks flying from sheet metal, big V8's screaming was pretty exciting. Racing full-tilt into the pits, burning rubber back out. Racing to the caution flags. No unnecessarily convoluted points system that nobody can understand. The fastest car with the ballsiest driver winning - no multiple lead-car-block-car teams.
Back when racing was racing.
not to mention, how can you be a fan of some "guy" who drinks milk when he wins a race where the cars can't touch each other. Open wheel drivers are never any good in nascar, but nascar drivers have finished much higher in open wheel than the opposite. There is something about having to control a 3500lb out of control brick, versus a car that was designed by scientists that even a GIRL could drive. I have watched them run in person, and they are un-impressive. A car that is designed to stick itself to the track is a whole different science than a car that is trying to PUSH itself into the wall the entire time you are driving it.
Yes, but those open-cockpit cars have their own quirks, as well. Like, in order to keep heat in the tires, and maintain enough grip to actually make it through the corner without spinning out, you have to maintain extremely high speeds, and the human brain has trouble coping with the knowledge that you have to go through that corner at more than 90 mph, or else you die.
F1 drivers are also subject to extremely high lateral g-forces due to the high cornering speed, so much so that they need to be extremely physically fit. And due to the small cockpit of an F1 car, the drivers are generally not very large in stature.
The way F1 cars are designed, without enough air flowing over the car, they weigh less than 1000 lbs, and are uncontrollable (too light). They need that air flow to generate the downforce necessary to give the tires traction.
Also, the engines on F1 cars have such tight mechanical tolerances that when they're cold, they're practically seized up. They have to be warmed up "intravenously" by external pumps and heaters before they can be started.
F1 is the pinnacle of automotive technology, and it filters down from there through companies like Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus, Mercedes, and Honda (companies that build part or all of an F1 car) into production vehicles as the technology to implement it in large scale becomes less expensive.
WELL DUHHH that's called racing when you have to maintain speed.
They are no more in shape than NASCAR drivers, and by your own admission, I little more girly and small.
Anyone who can't make 100mph is a loser who doesn't belong behind the wheel of any race car.
and NASCAR motors are producing 950hp, from old school small block engines. Anyone can take technology and bolt it together,....it takes a real racer to create that kind of horsepower from an engine design that was introduced decades ago.
ohhh, and when they win or lose, they fight like men. They don't drink milk like a queeeeeeerr
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain