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US students ranked 25 among the top 34 countries.

MMOMEQ-55MMOMEQ-55 Member Posts: 13,134
edited March 2013 in General Discussion
This is pathetic. What the hell is wrong with parents today? Why do they allow this? Do they not care about their kids?

The public school system is in a shambles. I cannot understand why parents allow this. My preacher's kids are in a private christian school. When his son went into HS he wanted to go to public school. His dad agreed to let him go. When the public school took a look at his school records and after testing him to see where he stood with the other students they found out that he was 2 grades ahead of the rest of the kids in his grade. Instead of him going into the 9th grade he was put in the 11th grade. At that time Charlotte NC school system was spending like $12,000.00 per child a year. My preacher was paying $9,000.00 a year for a far better education. Imagine that.



U.S. students aren't progressing to catch up to their peers in other industrialized countries.

A report recently published by Harvard University's Program on Education Policy and Governance found that students in Latvia, Chile and Brazil are making gains in academics three times faster than American students, while those in Portugal, Hong Kong, Germany, Poland, Liechtenstein, Slovenia, Colombia and Lithuania are improving at twice the rate. Researchers estimate that gains made by students in those 11 countries equate to about two years of learning.

What gains U.S. students posted in recent years are "hardly remarkable by world standards," according to the report. Although the U.S. is not one of the nine countries that lost academic ground for the 14-year period between 1995 and 2009, more countries were improving at a rate significantly faster than that of the U.S. Researchers looked at data for 49 countries.

The study's findings echo years of rankings that show foreign students outpacing their American peers academically. Students in Shanghai who recently took international exams for the first time outscored every other school system in the world. In the same test, American students ranked 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading.

A 2009 study found that U.S. students ranked 25th among 34 countries in math and science, behind nations like China, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong and Finland. Figures like these have groups like StudentsFirst, headed by former D.C. schools chancellor Michelle Rhee, concerned and calling for reforms to "our education system [that] can't compete with the rest of the world

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  • utbrowningmanutbrowningman Member Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The sheeples don't need an education. The government is here to take care of them.
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Because of the dumbing down by the political correct of the system we dont want any child to feel bad or fail. To be the best someone else has to be the worst. But we cant say I am smarter /better then you only in sports in this country can you label someone MVP.
  • dlrjjdlrjj Member Posts: 5,529 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
    Because of the dumbing down by the political correct of the system we dont want any child to feel bad or fail. To be the best someone else has to be the worst. But we cant say I am smarter /better then you only in sports in this country can you label someone MVP.
    Even in sports it's getting harder.

    We had the most highly attended basketball program in the country here in Indiana with a one class system, but the PC folks decided four classes would be more fair for the smaller schools and allow for more winners.

    We now have four state champions, and attendance has dropped through the floor.

    Wonder why?[}:)]
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  • kissgoodnightkissgoodnight Member Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    But at least they feel good bout themselves.
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    The problem needs to be fixed at the top. My wife is a teacher and there are so many things that her hands are tied on that completely underminds her effectiveness.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    no child left behind........[V] the PC dumbing down of society to ensure that the "slower" and/or "lazy" kids still get a trophy[B)]
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    It is truly the parents fault.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    It is truly the parents fault.


    Very true.
  • MMOMEQ-55MMOMEQ-55 Member Posts: 13,134
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    It is truly the parents fault.


    Very true.


    The parents gets my vote.
  • Riomouse911Riomouse911 Member Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The problem needs to be fixed at the top. My wife is a teacher and there are so many things that her hands are tied on that completely underminds her effectiveness.

    AMEN! My wife is a kindergarten teacher in a city full of "immigrantes". With 32 kids in the class, an average of 20 who no habla when they walk in the door, parents who can hardly do the work she has the kids doing daily, and an admin that completely ties her hands when kids with room-temperature IQ's can't be held back or suggested for evaluation due to mental deficiencies. (This is very few of the kids, but there are those who really need it and she can't say or do anything without getting in trouble). Court decisions and lawyers sue when they ask for parent involvement, donations for field trips or pencils, etc, so they are forced to "teach to the test" or get fired.

    Charter schools and private schools are not the whole answer, because these types of kids can't get into a charter school (Charters can pick and choose students, and they kick out those who can't cut it) nor can they afford private schools...so they're left in "failing public schools" that allow no teacher input.

    THIS is the future of America, unless it's stopped at the public schools' admin level and corrected.
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sad, but certainly not unexpected. I'm wondering what was the highest such ranking that we ever held and what year it would have been. With this in mind, I'm wondering what environmental factors were in play in our country at that time. Would it be possible to recapture such high standards? Chances are that any downward-spiral can be attributed in large part to flaws in our system to begin with, and the significant political events since then in our history. That said, we are no doubt witnessing the snowball effect of transitioning from a Christian, traditional way of life, to one designed for increasingly greater diversity...and, regrettably, the great disunity that comes with a progressive society that caters to anything and everything, with values and beliefs constantly changing.
    What's next?
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    In 1955 if you came home with an F or got called to the principals office your dad kicked your *.

    In 2013 if you come home with an F or get called to the principals office your dad sues the school.

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  • Queen of SwordsQueen of Swords Member Posts: 14,355
    edited November -1
    I see several problems, all are equally to blame.

    I'll address parents first. As educators, we are no longer only required to fulfill the child's need to be educated. For too many kids, we need to be part teacher, and part parent (actually had a parent call me one day and tell me her son did not get his homework done because his backpack was not organized and he could not find it, implying it was my job of organize his backback. For real?), psychologist, motivator, cheerleader, health care specialist, truant officer, social worker,etc., etc., etc... Unfortunately, this has become the expected role, since the teacher probably spends more meaningful time with the child than the parent does.

    The curriculum and "No Child Left Behind." An abyssmal failure. "Teaching to the test" has become the standard. Kids learn to regurgitate information, not use critical thinking skills. Many lessons have been "dumbed down" to the point of irrelevance.

    Administration and exceptionalism. Administrators often encourage teachers who demand exceptionalism to "lighten up" on their demands (pass kids that don't earn the grades), not give so much homework, etc. because it "hurts our numbers."

    Rant over...
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Queen of Swords
    I see several problems, all are equally to blame.

    I'll address parents first. As educators, we are no longer only required to fulfill the child's need to be educated. For too many kids, we need to be part teacher, and part parent (actually had a parent call me one day and tell me her son did not get his homework done because his backpack was not organized and he could not find it, implying it was my job of organize his backback. For real?), psychologist, motivator, cheerleader, health care specialist, truant officer, social worker,etc., etc., etc... Unfortunately, this has become the expected role, since the teacher probably spends more meaningful time with the child than the parent does.

    The curriculum and "No Child Left Behind." An abyssmal failure. "Teaching to the test" has become the standard. Kids learn to regurgitate information, not use critical thinking skills. Many lessons have been "dumbed down" to the point of irrelevance.

    Administration and exceptionalism. Administrators often encourage teachers who demand exceptionalism to "lighten up" on their demands (pass kids that don't earn the grades), not give so much homework, etc. because it "hurts our numbers."

    Rant over...
    None of those other things would be an issue on the map if parents did what they should.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • pogybatepogybate Member Posts: 3,150
    edited November -1
    $18,000 per student in Vermont, also has one of the highest property tax burdens in the country. Thank you NEA.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,491 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Parents... How about Parent.
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